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Reply #45 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 9:42am
 
There's one thing I would like to add to this subject.

I do not want to imply that one has to become a hard skeptic and reject everything. There has to be an openmindness, otherwise we would stay in a standoff. Evolution, expanding one's consciousness necessitate that we explore also.

In that sense, the inner signal is to trust oneself. Really.

Feel what resonate winthin you. Then go at it!

What matters is to learn and expand our consciousness, our awareness.

Don't become stagnant.

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Reply #46 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:00am
 
I am a new member and i find this thread very interesting. Just about two months ago i began reading Seth, i thought it was very good, but now I don't know what to think.

I read what Seth said about his Papal reincarnation, Plotinus Meglemanious, but I have been unable to find this pope.

Now, I am questioning if Seth was real or not.
Thank you for your input

*freesoul*
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Reply #47 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:14am
 
I understand you very well.

Here's my own two cents worth.

The ONLY criteria that you should consider is YOU.  Trust yourself in what you feel, that knowingness inside that will tell you if this is a road you can get on.

Life's experience is about expanding our awareness, our consciousness. There is not a good or a bad way to do this...only YOUR OWN. Why?  Because your experience is uniquely yours.

Trust your inner feeling. IF IT RESONATE WITHIN YOU...go for it.  If not...IT'S OK!

This is why there's so many different views, opinion, BELIEFS. 

Trust yourself!  Accept what feels right for you, this is your inner awareness (the inner-self) answering you.

Seth is mindbuggling information, quite something to digest.  It shatters a lot of beliefs.

Hope this helps you.


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I am a new member and i find this thread very interesting. Just about two months ago i began reading Seth, i thought it was very good, but now I don't know what to think.

I read what Seth said about his Papal reincarnation, Plotinus Meglemanious, but I have been unable to find this pope.

Now, I am questioning if Seth was real or not.
Thank you for your input

*freesoul*

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Reply #48 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:31am
 
"Trust your inner feeling. IF IT RESONATE WITHIN YOU...go for it.  If not...IT'S OK!"
Greetings, freesoul,
I'm new too---this is a wonderful place!
I used to think comments like Gerald's (excuse me, Gerald) were a dodge, but I found it's what gets us on the right path. The destination is out of sight. Next year you may look back and say ' I can no longer accept this or that,' but it's because we've grown in our understanding. It's the beginning of a fantastic journey!
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Reply #49 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:37am
 
Thanks both of you, for your great advices...but as you said in your other posts....about testing to see if the mediums are real....how seth can be real if there was no  pope with that name?

Trust is one thing, proof is other no?

*freesoul*


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Reply #50 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:46am
 
No offense believe me!

You are right:  "It's the beginning of a fantastic journey!"

It's YOUR JOURNEY!


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"Trust your inner feeling. IF IT RESONATE WITHIN YOU...go for it.  If not...IT'S OK!"
Greetings, freesoul,
I'm new too---this is a wonderful place!
I used to think comments like Gerald's (excuse me, Gerald) were a dodge, but I found it's what gets us on the right path. The destination is out of sight. Next year you may look back and say ' I can no longer accept this or that,' but it's because we've grown in our understanding. It's the beginning of a fantastic journey!

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Reply #51 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 11:53am
 
That's a question YOU have to answer freesoul.  You will find that everywhere you may venture,
there will always be questions unanswered. You will have doubts.

This is where you have to trust your inner-self.

And, it is legitimate to question before KNOWING.

Remember that I said to TRUST YOURSELF


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Thanks both of you, for your great advices...but as you said in your other posts....about testing to see if the mediums are real....how seth can be real if there was no  pope with that name?

Trust is one thing, proof is other no?

*freesoul*


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Reply #52 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 12:34pm
 
Gerald,

Maybe i'm wrong but there is some indication that you know about seth material?

Do you trust that he was real even if you find contradictions like the unsearchable pope?

If you do trust seth, what makes you to trust him?

What you mean "trust yourself" if the material cannot be proven? How can I trust something what maybe a lie?

I can agree with what I read, it can make sense to me but other thing, I have read that even he was
"tested" most of the time he wasn't correct.

So then what to trust?

I'm just searching for some answers i don't like to be deceived.

*freesoul*
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Reply #53 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 1:03pm
 
Yes I do know about Seth. For many reasons, that would take too long here to explain, I trust the information. Let me say that many thing he said, I had problems with, sure!

For one thing there are many other sources that I found that corroborated some of Seth's informations.

What I mean by trusting myself is just that. Suppose you are a teenager and haven't made up your mind as to what you want to be, career wise. What will you do?  You are going to look at different options, different careers that interest you. Then one will be more appealing to you and this is what you will decide to study and eventually do. What are the element involve in your choice, your decision?

This is the same.

If I would have told you then to do something else, and you had accepted, probably at one point you would still be thinking about the other career and be disapointed in having followed someone elses choice.

Since it's your life, your experience that you are living, shouldn't you do it your way?

It's the same here.  This is what I mean with : "if it resonate within you"

I felt like I had finaly found what I had searched all my life with Seth. Sort of finaly putting everything together.

Then this is MY choice. Yours can very well be different. One can choose to be a mechanic another a medical doctor, none are "wrong" or "better".

I could evolve to something else later. We are always expanding our consciousness, we are always learning, "growing".

As for your pope. Honestly I haven't even considered to look it up.

I've been "deceived" myself.  Although I consider today that no one can deceive me except myself, hence to trust myself.  It's not wether you take the "right" decision or the "right" choice that's important, it's the learning that results.

Being "deceived" doesn't matter, YOU ALWAYS LEARN. 

Trust yourself!



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Gerald,

Maybe i'm wrong but there is some indication that you know about seth material?

Do you trust that he was real even if you find contradictions like the unsearchable pope?

If you do trust seth, what makes you to trust him?

What you mean "trust yourself" if the material cannot be proven? How can I trust something what maybe a lie?

I can agree with what I read, it can make sense to me but other thing, I have read that even he was
"tested" most of the time he wasn't correct.

So then what to trust?

I'm just searching for some answers i don't like to be deceived.

*freesoul*

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Reply #54 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 2:27pm
 
Gerald,

Thank you for your thoughful answer and advise, i think you're more advanced then myself, you seems like have more knowledge about this things, and I think somewhat I understand you but still i have some problem with what you saying.

As I said I'm new to seth and new to this board also, but i have read this thread and something i just have to ask, not because of you, but because my own understanding, since just as anyone else i'm looking for the right path.

Trying to decide as you pointed out if I can trust some information or not...

you said

" I trust the information. Let me say that many thing he said, I had problems with, sure! "


See I have problem too, and my question to myself and for you how can you trust information what you/i have problem with?

You also said

"The problem is for the people who believe and follow the advices given from frauds."

So if you and I have a problem with the information how do you know that you/i not trusting a fraud?
i.e. if there is no pope with that name then the whole thing maybe a fraud.

You said

"  We are all, myself included, gullible when we search for life's answers. We are hungry to know and willing to listen.  Which exposes us to be abused. "


So if you trust yourself/myself how can You/I can be gullible?

You said

"All of them should be chalenged and have to prove their say. Why should we accept on faith alone? And if they refuse, get out of there!  "

That is my question about seth if he lied about the pope, then if i/you still believe it then we're gullible?

What makes you think that other people is gullible and you are not?


See just so many questions


*freesoul*





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Reply #55 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 3:09pm
 
Hi Freesoul,

I don't mind answering your questions. 

But often answering questions brings up even more questions. So I sent you an email and if you want to I will answer all the questions that you want through email. If this is OK with you.

I will post a few remarks here though.

First, no one is more "advance" than another. We just are experimenting different things.

You are trying to decide if you can trust the information. I am saying to TRUST YOURSELF

As far as being gullible, deceived.  In life you go through events that you consider you where gullible and/or deceived.  Since you are the only one that "control-the-buttons"  no one can deceive you...See?  You are always the only one that can act, move, be sad, be happy...

In that sense, when I say I was gullible, its in that context. Then after many years you realize that you were the only one in "charge". You always take the decision, thus you cannot be deceived per-se.

I know today that all my experiences lead me to this point in time, and nothing was a waste of time.

You could say it was MY path.

There are frauds and peoples willing to follow. But if you trust yourself, you will either go there and learn something, or not go there because it does not "resonate" in you, you have no interest for it etc.

When you question the information from Seth with the Pope, you are doing what you have to do. Check it out, investigate and take your own decision. This is trusting yourself.  At one point you will still want to pursue OR not...then trust yourself in that choice. Because there's probably something for you to LEARN there...See?



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Gerald,

Thank you for your thoughful answer and advise, i think you're more advanced then myself, you seems like have more knowledge about this things, and I think somewhat I understand you but still i have some problem with what you saying.

As I said I'm new to seth and new to this board also, but i have read this thread and something i just have to ask, not because of you, but because my own understanding, since just as anyone else i'm looking for the right path.

Trying to decide as you pointed out if I can trust some information or not...

you said

" I trust the information. Let me say that many thing he said, I had problems with, sure! "


See I have problem too, and my question to myself and for you how can you trust information what you/i have problem with?

You also said

"The problem is for the people who believe and follow the advices given from frauds."

So if you and I have a problem with the information how do you know that you/i not trusting a fraud?
i.e. if there is no pope with that name then the whole thing maybe a fraud.

You said

"  We are all, myself included, gullible when we search for life's answers. We are hungry to know and willing to listen.  Which exposes us to be abused. "


So if you trust yourself/myself how can You/I can be gullible?

You said

"All of them should be chalenged and have to prove their say. Why should we accept on faith alone? And if they refuse, get out of there!  "

That is my question about seth if he lied about the pope, then if i/you still believe it then we're gullible?

What makes you think that other people is gullible and you are not?


See just so many questions


*freesoul*






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Reply #56 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 3:48pm
 
Gerald,

That is very kind of you, but the thing of it is, where I'm at now I would love to hear others opinion also.

Trust yourself is a very nice idea but I have a question righ now, and one of is your previous post

"All of them should be chalenged and have to prove their say."

My question is that if you trust yourself, what is it need to be tested?


I really would like to get imput from others too, then as you said I would have to decide,  because what you saying now,  make no sense to me.

Right now what i want to know if seth is real or not
can i trust the information even if there is a problem with it. or not?


*freesoul*
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Reply #57 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 5:21pm
 
 moved to the Seth thread
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Reply #58 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 5:57pm
 
PhoenixRa

Thank you for your informative post! 

you said:

" I am not a Seth expect by any means, have only read one entire book and skimmed other parts of other books. "

As I posted I just started reading a short while ago, but in this short time I have read about 6-7  cover to cover.

So your opinion is based on one book and the skimmed parts? What was it in one book what you didn't believe?

My complain is simple, which is that I cannot find that pope anywhere what was suppose to be seth reincarnational self, so before I go place trust in him, even i'm still reading the books, i need to know if he is real or not.


Many thing what seth provide somewhat resonate with me, but the simple question how do i know if seth lied about the pope, he doesnt lie about everything else?

Gerald said if you trust yourself then doesn't need proof, but he also said that every channeler has to be tested before you believe in it

so which is it trust or prove? 


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Reply #59 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 6:26pm
 
  You mean specific info that can be verfied?  

 Its been awhile and i remember more general concepts from those books.

 Mainly my point is that there are two "channels" to compare in my example and belief systems, one has been verified from many angles from health info, to specific prophecies, to specific historical info not known but found later, to many odd bits of verfied info like during a reading making a comment on what someone was specifically doing, and then having this confirmed later.

 The other one's "verifications" are pretty sketchy and one dimensional, and some of this source's info very strongly contradicts some of the former ones most important and centrally held concepts.

 One that we all are using our Freewill to develop to a God awareness again, and that out of the thousand of Teachers to come to Earth to help in this process, Yeshua (Jesus) was one who realized the inner God self to an amazing degree and did "rise from the dead", perform instant and seemingly miraculous healings, etc.

 Jesus's pattern, life, example, is very important to the Cayce readings philosophy, and they put this Consciousness right dab in the middle as the "leader" of sorts of Soul Retrievals.

 Seth really undermines Jesus, and the depth of his life and example, and says that he was just a pretty psychic guy, and even was either part of, or aware of a plot to drugg up another Messiah like figure to take his place cause "Jesus knew that he didn't have to die"

 Seth talks about Jesus's life in at least a couple books that i'm aware of and restates these claims about him.

 I don't have more historically verifed info for you.  But when you consider the Shroud of Turin, and how accurate Cayce was and for how long, and then our historical sources which though edited and filtered are still left with a fairly accurate sketch of Jesus's life, then it might make someone wonder?

 The Shroud of Turin is the closest possible thing that we have to evidence of such an energy reaction haven taken place within a physical body.  

 Many of the strong arguments against the authenticity of the Shroud have been refuted, like the carbon dating date or the iron oxide "paint theory".  

 It seems that the consensus amongst the scientific and art world is that it is definitely not a fake or man made, but most seem to scratch their heads when asked how it was actually created.

 The Los Alamos Laboratory in New Mexico did some interesting research on the Shroud, and the physicists there could only come to the conclusion that the image was formed by a very high energy reaction, not unlike a nuclear reaction which throws off much radiation to "burn" a shadow image into physical material.

But i suppose the controversy will still rage, because in the end people believe in what they want to believe, and logic generally doesn't play such an influential role as most would like to believe.

 Me too! Wink


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