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Ive spent the past year in a TA commando unit, so i have a small glimpse into the way army molds people into soldiers, nothing on your calibor most likely, but still a i ahve a simple understanding of what the process makes you into.

that statement i said, is accurate.

and you took the words "big girl" as me having a pop about her weight, i find that quite laughable. as it was a quote to meen shes fully grown, and can defend herself without the need of a body guard.

Since you failed to answer my questions about wisdom and age, i will assume that you cannot counter it.

Anymore constructive coments are welcome, but dont accuse me of things which i did not do.

  Hi there Spitifire,

 You seem angry at life, and it seems you have much good cause and have experienced much pain because of life.

 I can relate to that, probably not to the degree you have experienced...

 But can you relate to letting this anger, frustration, and pain go?  

 Its a heavy load to bare, and in the long run you're only really hurting yourself.

 Look at it from a purely physical standpoint...

 Stress, anger, frustration, sadness all are known to have a negative affect on the body, and when someone feels one of these negative emotions strongly, toxins are created and released into the body's system (like adrenalin is actually somewhat toxic to a body).

 This eventually weakens your body, and/or your mind.  My guess is that you want to keep both both strong, for as long as possible?

 Because you enjoy the physical, and don't think there is much beyond it?

 Well, for your own health, why not get a little more harmonious?  

 It may sound like lip service, but i truly care about you, and i've had a similar life pattern i.e. bad experiences with doctors, and health, etc.

 And some people here, do really practice and believe in what they preach like Blink for instance...and who cares if it is just a comforting mechanism...again even science is beginning to see the benefits behind the comforting mechanisms of believing in "Love", in meditating and stilling the mind and emotions.

 If you meditate daily, you can eventuallly become Super Spit Fire!   Seriously from one misfit to another.  

 Just try it out for awhile, what have you got to lose, your body and mind only have strength to gain from it.

 I wish you well on your journey, and while some people are a bit hypocritical sometimes, how much good does it do to point it out constantly in such a harsh manner?  

 I fell into this trap for a bit, and i certainly had a lot more reason then you...there was a lot more deeper emotions involved, but either way, it didn't do any good on either side.

 Again, positive emotions=strong body and mind, and negative emotions=developing weaknesses in both.   You seem like a smart guy, do the math, and make the common sense, more practical choice.

Take care S. F.

Humankind is not perfect - we can only improve ourselves.

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Can I just say Spitfire fair enough if this is your belief let them people go on about it and don't let it get to you, have the last laugh to yourself knowing that they are doing this.

I'm saying this because its not just directed at you but topics here are turning into who can throw more insults. you know, people have been pushed away from here, some really good people who helped make this board what it once was, a loving community. That doesn't mean we can't disagree and everyone has to project PUL, but just a place where we can talk, share, laugh and make some friends. instead its a place where every topic by the time you get to the end of it and become a slagging match.

I'd just like to point one thing out... this topic started because EileenY ask about our past experiences of mediums and were they any good, and I must admit some of this has been answered....but it got personal so look where it is now....my point exactly.

Ryan

When you described that you were deep in thought, you are giving an example of the method Bruce calls the imagination technique or "pretending".

I'm not saying that all mediums, channellers, and what have you, are frauds. But I'm convinced that the vast majority of them are.

Houdini knew all the tricks, and he exposed all of the well know mediums of the time after many years of investigating. He didn't find ONE that was legitimate

He made the front page of many newspapers with the results of his investigations.

The problem is for the people who believe and follow the advices given from frauds. 

Just look at all the supposed mediums, channellers around today and the money involved.

Just before Jane Roberts died, (Seth) she and her husband were afraid that this would happen. All sort of "Seth-clones"  rushing in. Same with Cayce and others. They smell the money. Isn't it suspicious that so many "Seths" flowerishes right after Jane's departure?

We are all, myself included, gullible when we search for life's answers. We are hungry to know and willing to listen.  Which exposes us to be abused.

Isn't it odd that we shop before buying a TV or a car and we accept so rapidly a channeller?

It is legitimate to challenge, to question those who place themselves as mediums, channellers etc.  Discriminate !

All of them should be chalenged and have to prove their say. Why should we accept on faith alone? And if they refuse, get out of there! 

This is why I have mentionned that TRUST is the most important thing we have.  Trust in ourselves, always be on guard with theses entities supposedly here to enlightened us.  Especially when there's money involved.

Some asks 250$ US for a session. At four sessions a day this is a nice sum of 260,000$ per year.  


Some people develop cult-like attitude. They will defend, justify, any mistake the medium, channeller (etc.) will do. They will find answers and explanations for everything.  Because, of course, the Entity "KNOWS" why he did this and that, and we shouldn't question this.

I know what this is all about...I've been there!


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Greetings,
Maybe it depends on the motives of the sender?
Some spiritual contacts need a connection:
A friend of mine and I heard about the Houdini attempt and agreed that we would attempt the same contact when one of us died. We were about 12 YO at the time and kept in touch for 10 years. When I was in my 50s another friend with the same first name died. One afternoon I was deep in thought about her (Nancy 2). My thoughts turned into a dialogue which Nancy said we'd planned to do, but I didn't recall such a plan with Nancy 2.  Nancy insisted she had been fatally hit by a truck. I decided to humor the idea, thinking Nancy 2's injuries from a brain tumor might have seemed like getting hit by a truck. Nancy became irritated with my attitude of disbelief and abruptly pulled away, ending our visit. --Later I heard from a childhood friend that Nancy 1 had been killed by a truck abit previous to that 'dialogue.'
I interpret all that as a visit from a friend who was recently deceased, who I hadn't seen in decades but who was holding me to the Houdini promise---?


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Permit me to correct you. I have never stated that every single medium is a fraud.

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I'm not saying that all mediums, channellers, and what have you, are frauds. But I'm convinced that the vast majority of them are.

Problem is that most people are so impressed that they will not challenge them with very personal question for example. What I'm saying is that we should not accept them so easily. If they are here to help us, then they should be able to face solid questions.

For example, Jane Roberts who channeled Seth accepted to have a session with a famous psychologist who asked many difficults questions to Seth in his specialized "jargon". He wrote an affidavit afterward stating that he had been doudfoulded by Seth and he signed with his real name.

It is the least one can do when looking for a medium, a channeller or else. PUT HIM TO THE TEST.
If he is legitimate you will know.

Edgar Cayce faced that for 40 years.


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Last night Larry King hosted a debate between two skeptics and 3 mediums (James Van Praagh, Char Margolis, and Svlvia Browne).  In my view, none of the combatants were convincing, but what particularly struck me was this: the mediums might have channeled deceased acquaintances of the skeptics and provided verification of their identity.  But they were too intimidated by the skeptics to submit to such a test.  They were apparently too afraid of being discredited in such a public forum.  I imagine the mediums would claim that negative vibes would prevent their gift from working in that atmosphere.   To me that excuse is unconvincing.  I think less of the mediums' alleged gifts as a result of that program.

Don

I agree with Gerald and the rest of you skeptics, to some extent. Believing that spiritual contact is possible shouldn't force us to accept ALL claims of spiritual contact. If we like brocolli, do we like all recipes with brocolli?    ?
Do we know what all the conditions are for good reception? When Mrs. Houdini missed getting HH's message from beyond, lots of blockages could happen--- maybe it was just because she was busy then. Or maybe he got busy 'up there'?
Just because we want to make contact doesn't mean the other person/soul is available at that time, does it?  But 'bad vibes' certainly dont help--how many successful contacts are made under aggravated, demanding, even violent, conditions? Has anybody heard of any?