As I've read and studied the subject, Raphael...
I hear those meds are little more than expensive
placebos (and cause neurological damage to boot.)
Perhaps our friend here might seek the services
of an acupuncturist, herbalist, or other alternative practitioner?
Where I live, there is a number of Indian shamans
and sweat lodge ceremonialists (I live a few miles from a fair-sized Indian reservation.) I'm not an Native American,
and I'm skeptical of "magic" as you know. Still, there
are a number of interesting anecdotes I've heard
about such practices. Me, I'd go to an Indian shaman
before I'd see a shrink. At least the shaman wouldn't
POISON me...

B-man

>>I don't think any of us know Nomad well enough to try to "wake" him up in the way that several people here have attempted to do.  We truly do not know his circumstances.

True, but that was also my point. I want to make sure he understands that he is currently wasting his and our time.

>>What if Nomad has an incurable and unbelievably painful health condition?  What if he has a mental illness?  What if he is disabled and living with someone who treats him cruelly?

Stop being bothered by that. If he has a problem, he'll ask for help to fix that specific problem.

>>What if he cannot write much because he has a condition which does not allow his hand to write well? What if he thinks no one really cares?

So you are saying someone would like to die because he can't write properly? I think not.

>>Do you know the answers to any of these questions? I don't.  I'd like the chance to know him better.  We all care more when we know someone better, don't we?

Yes but knowing someone doesn't automatically affect his mood and thoughts.

>>We really don't know what it's like to wake up and be Nomad every day.  We don't have the facts here. Maybe we won't ever get the facts and we will never really know Nomad.  But at least we will have tried.

And this is why I'm saying he is wasting our time. If he really wants help instead of attention, he just has to ask for help on specific problems. Now everybody will be able to help him.

There are so many people that need help but I can't help them all. What do I do ? I take the time to help those who want to be helped. We should not babysit everybody that ask for attention. Not only would it not help them, but it would exhaust us.

It comes down to being responsible and ask for help. As a matter of fact Nomad didn't ask for any help right now.

And I invite everyone to share their opinion. I just doubt she really tried to help these kind of people before. My mother did and she got sick and depressed. It takes a lot of energy to support people that don't want to improve. When they decide to change, now THAT'S when everyone should care.

Also I invite everyone to list all posts by Nomad. I read them all on one page and there is a pattern. Whatever you all said to him, he keeps his ideas. See what I mean ? Let the guy alone and help him when he'll want to.

I have enough of one suicidal guy on my floor that wants to die. But at least he wants to fix his problems so I'm not wasting my time.

Now my posts were intended to bring a masculine balance to the happy and kind posts you all sent on the forum. I'll add my own relatively "happy" one if it can show you I'm not cold hearted.

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Nomad, life doesn't suck and it's not ugly. If you think that, you only look at one side of the coin. You don't hate life, you hate problems. Problems can ALWAYS be fixed. When you are ready to fix them, ask for specific solutions and support and I shall be there. Until then I don't have time to hug you all day long.

Take care.

Raphael,

I'm just saying it's only "polite" and not necessarily "feminine" (as Bob so kindly put it) to ask someone about themselves.  Not everyone is going to volunteer that kind of information unless they feel very welcome.  I understand that.  Maybe it's a "Southern" thing.  Just because someone has the courage to come here doesn't mean they will express themselves in a manner in which you would prefer.

However, I see your points and I don't disagree with them.

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