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Re: will not god take me
Reply #15 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 10:23pm
 
Nomad,

44 is not old.  Have you always felt that your life is bad or is this just recent?  What would make your life happy right now?  (Saying "dying" is not an answer).
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Reply #16 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 10:47pm
 
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i didn't asked to be born, ok in your opinion what will happen when im dead


you go to hell, isnt that what you believe?
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What if reincarnation is true...
Reply #17 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 6:28am
 
And time is not linear  - i.e you could just as easily reincarnate in ancient Egypt (if you died today in 2005)
as you could in, say, A.D. 2500...
And there was no limit to how many incarnations you could have...
Eventually you'd get to be a KING (or a pauper, and everything in between.)
And, you'd have these possibilities FOREVER (given non-linear time, as many modern physicists suspect "time" is!)
Me, I'd rather have THAT eventuality than "heaven" any day. (Hell, every now and then I'd get to be a KING, or millionaire tycoon, or even the neighborhood pool hall champ, or Don Juan. Who could ask for more?)

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Re: will not god take me
Reply #18 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 7:19am
 
If you reincarnate, and that is a big "if," you would be only what your conscious mind created.  You would only be a king if either you were randomnly born into that family or if you acted in a way that would merit being a king.

I'm not sure that if my memory is wiped that I am still me.  My essence may have a certain individuality, but personality is built on experiences.
Without memory, there is no personality - just tendencies. 

If my consciousness passes intact into an afterlife, then I will exercise free will in terms of future choices.  The idea of being thrust willy nilly into another existence makes no sense at all.

Our thoughts and thinking process give us freedom, in this reality and in any others.

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Reply #19 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 10:53am
 
Hmmmmn, M-man,

I think some kings conspire to get an army behind them and overthrow the old king.  Either that or they might kill the heir to the throne.  Or they might marry their cousin....or even their sister in some ancient regimes.

It does appear that there have been many ways to be a king, and many of them are not very "polite," as B-man would say...

but I agree with you, M-man. 

The throne of the imagination is a very powerful one.

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Re: will not god take me
Reply #20 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 12:05pm
 
You say you didn't ask to be born.  Oh yes you did. We all choose whether or not to come into the earth life system (ELS).  You had a group of guides who helped you decide who your parents would be and what you would achieve in this life. Self pity does no one any good.

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Reply #21 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 12:13pm
 
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you go to hell, isnt that what you believe?


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Anyway, Nomad...life has it's ups and downs. Sometimes you have really big ups, and sometimes you've got really big downs, but life almost always works out for the better as long as you put some genuine effort into it, you know? Just keep breathing. If you hate where you are right now, move elsewhere. Make some good changes in your life, see a therapist if you feel that would help you. Just don't give up.
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Yeah, it IS a "big if", Doc...
Reply #22 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:25pm
 
But I'd say infinite reincarnation beats an eternity
in a celibate, buttoned-up-to-the-collar, suit-and-tie goody-goody-two-shoes "heaven" ANY deca-millennium.
I mean, after about the quadrillionth repetition of
"How great Thou art" or the pentillionth "hosannah"
I'd be about ready to yank my eyeballs out by the
roots...
I'd rather just be DEAD, my friend. (What intelligent
person WOULDN'T?)
People don't think about these things. Why? Simply
because they are CONDITIONED from childhood to
automatically feel "sinful" if they entertain doubts
about what the preacher droned into them.
Sad, isn't it?

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Reply #23 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 2:39pm
 
B-man,

You are the ultimate in tne endearing anti-intellectual.  You express uourself in cutesy soundbites.  But you almost never engage your respondents' arguments  directly (certainly never mine).  You never read any suggested books that might facilitate meaningful dialogue.   As a result, you cling tenaciously to a crude and discredited stereotype of heaven as an excuse to avoid a reexamination of your life and priorities.  Wake up and smell the coffee!  Or at least spill it on your metaphysically-challenged lap, so that you get mad and actually engage in the parry-and-thrust serious critical reflection.   

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Re: will not god take me
Reply #24 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 4:00pm
 
Nomad-
Because you have faith and fervor, your prayers are all answered. Unfortunately, you are praying to be dead while still in the midst of life.  Sounds to me like you're getting just that.

The trick is to turn everything around. For example, be sneaky and smile, it will confuse your emotions so that you'll feel better. (Really!) Pay attention to stuff OUTSIDE of you, and let the inside make do for a while, and the crisis feeling will pass. Set your intention on loving everyone, and see how it feels after a few days, even if it seems bizarre to be immersed in love.

The basic idea is that if life isn't fun, you're not doing it right. Make a few changes and don't take anything seriously. Life is far too short to drink sour wine.

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Reply #25 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 4:21pm
 
Hi Nomad,

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i didn't asked to be born, ok in your opinion what will happen when im dead 

You did, you know. I hate to break it to you. However, i feel for you. Maybe you can break this loop of depression you find yourself in. No matter what it was what brought this on, remember that you still have Yourself, your Love and you Light, and you can share this with others.
You can look at it like a gift you have, since there is only one of you in this whole world. That makes you pretty unique, don't you think?

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Reply #26 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 6:20pm
 
Uwe,

Awesome reply.

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Reply #27 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 9:13pm
 
Okay so I see you have plenty of support, I'll be the "bad cop" then.

So your life sucks and you want to die. boo hoo hoo. And here I thought those who lived in sickness and famine had it tough...

So tell me. You want to die because... you lack imagination to find fun activities and join groups that do the same activities as you ? Why don't you stop whining and fix the damn situation !!! You're NOT special and a LOT of people go through and have gone through your situation.

Stop b*itching, start acting.

Now do it !

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One thing I've DEFINITELY learned in life...
Reply #28 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 10:35pm
 
Is that if I ever REALLY get suicidal (hopefully I won't, but hey, I'll be old, gnarly, and miserable in the not-too-distant future) is to EVER tell anyone, Raphael.
Why? Because people will HUMILIATE you with it. (Like you just did with Nomad, Raphael.)
One thing's for damn sure... if I ever decide to bust a cap in my head, I AIN'T telling ANY creature with two legs and an a$$-hole. Why deliberately set yourself up for abuse (like Nomad here, he's 44 y/o and ought to know better.) What can any of you do for him anyway? I know I can't do anything for him (and at least I'm honest enough to admit it. How about the rest of ya?)
BTW, I don't think you did him any good, Raphael...

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Reply #29 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 10:46pm
 
I had classes about suicidal people so I know how they act thank you.

To tell you the truth we CAN'T do anything about it. If he wants to die he'll die. There is always a way. It's his choice after all.

The key to change the situation is to change it by ourself. Whatever the others will do for you, it will change nothing.

You want the truth ? If a suicidal guy goes to a psychologist, the psychologist can't help him. He'll listen to his rantings and if he sees it gets serious he'll call the cops and an ambulance.

And our teacher told us that sometimes these people want to die so much they act like everything is fine. So the hospital let them go away and they put a bullet in their head. It happened once to one of my teacher's client.

The other solution is medication. Someone that is suicidal should take medication. BUT this is a problem too because he will feel a little bit better each passing day. This can give him the strenght to kill himself too. So it's delicate.

It all comes to him. If he wants to die, he will. If he wants to live, he'll fix his life.

ps: I didn't humilate him, I told the truth to wake him up. If he really wanted us to help he would have asked us ideas on how to fix specific problems.
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