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Dec 17th, 2005 at 6:15pm
 
In response to Alysia's curiosity about jana yoga,  I thought of adding this to the PUL thread, but it might turn out to be even more confusing, and perhaps will be that way alone, so I put it independently.

Hindu thinkers, sitting by the Ganges about 5000 years ago (and Egyptian philosophers in roughly the same time period) found that reality can be subdivided into three specific aspects. In Sanskrit these are called the three gunas, meaning three aspects of nature. They are rajas, tamas and sattva.

Rajoguna is the aspect of reality that is dynamic, variable, changing, moving, transforming and so on.   Tamoguna is the aspect of reality that is obdurate, solid, fixed, durable, lasting, and structured. Sattvoguna is the aspect that is relative, intermediary, logical, descriptive, comparative, aware, clear, rational.

Rajas leads to karma yoga, action done for its own value, as a joyful contribution to manifesting the nature of the Creator, which nature we all share. Karma yoga is the yoga of selfless action and service.

Tamas leads to union with the One Creative Essence, the unconditional equation of self and other through PUL, and the sense that in God we are both "the individual drop in the bucket of water, and at the same time, the entire bucket, all at once".

Sattva leads to jnana yoga (also spelled other ways in English) in which we become fully aware, fascinated and involved deeply in our universe, comprehending it in the sense of its own logic and proper nature, without interfering hopes, preferences or bias, so that we arrive at enlightened wisdom.

Yogis practice these as basic disciplines, dependeing on who is their teacher and what the teacher finds preferable. As an example, the recent yogi Ramakrishna practiced bhakta yoga through PUL. Krishnamurti or Nisargadatta Maharaj are better examples of jnana yogis. Mother Theresa exemplified both karma yoga in her selfless service, and also bhakta, in her love and unity with those around her.

When a student gets to the point at which the three yogas have been mastered to an adequate degree, so that only trivial imperfections remain, that state is called sat-chit-ananda, which means "perfection of existence, awareness and bliss". At that time, production of "negative karma" stops because there is no major negative activitiy going on to cause it. 

The term Satyam (sat) refers to bhakta yoga, the existence of Oneness that includes all. The term Chittam (chit) refers to jnana yoga and mindfulness (literally mind stuff) through which awareness and enlightenment are developed. The term Anandam (ananda) refers to joyful activity in karma yoga, through which we beome "Co-creators with God" as Edgar Cayce put it.

Yogis who have entered that state of sat-chit-ananda now will typically lump all yoga together into raja yoga, the joining of all three, in which the term "raja" expresses that this is the highest or ruling form of yoga practice. It is ideally in this state that we practice samadhi (spiritually transcendent meditation) through which we merge into God.

Traditional yoga sources say that these levels are so exalted and evolved that they are unattainable, and that a guiding guru is needed in order to get to them. This is great advertising for gurus, but quite false.

In practical terms, most of the people on this site who have spiritual experiences are highly advanced spiritually. Merely thinking about and practicing the ideas presented here, and the concepts of soul retrieval described by Bruce, places people in a group equivalent to  advanced yoga students.

Those who no longer are having problems because they have finally worked the kinks out of their lifestyles are generally past the level of sat-chit-ananda. This is the basic level of mature existence. Lower levels are still involved in self-destructive activities, like a dog chasing its tail, viewing it as a hostile stranger,  and trying to find out why it hurts when it gets close enough for a nip.

Many people posting here are involved in various levels of meditation that carry them into certain types of samadhi, and from time to time we see posts expressing experiences of oneness with the activities of God, being lost in ecstatic PUL or having an enlightening epiphany. These are much like yogis meditating in caves (except that central heating and flush toilets have a lot of advantages).

The point, Alysia, is that there's nothing really new here, but just a different expression of the same old thing. That you probably never looked at yourself as a yogi (properly, "yogini", feminine case) has nothing to do with it except in terminology.

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Reply #1 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 11:37pm
 
that was very interesting Dave, I thank you much Wink  I know nothing whatsoever about yoga until now. except I used to do body postures in a class long time ago, and discovered certain body movements, such as even dance, are very conducive to certain mental states. DP, as my guide liked me to get on the knees way back when...lol..he's an old timey Christian but even that will produce a climate for miracles if u know what I mean..to pray or affirm with the whole body is good. ha ha! athletic prayer, just thought of a new term...
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Reply #2 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 11:56pm
 
Alysia,

I vaguely remeber reading that Sufi have a dance. Something about whirling dervishes, and I believe this a way they achieve union with God. 

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Reply #3 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 3:34pm
 
Hi Bob-

You're right on target! The metaphysics of Sufism is the same as any other, when analyzed. Guru Nanak took this and Hindu metaphysics, which is monotheistic, and created a merger which is the Sikh religion. It's all one thing.

When I get someone who is really uptight, buttoned down, closed, rectangular and hermetically sealed at the edges, I have two basic choices. 50 years ago I would have offered him a joint. Nowadays, with more wisdom and better common sense, I suggest dancing and sex. (Most people enjoy one or the other - sometimes both.) 

The Sufi dance is simply to rotate, held in place by a combination of footwork and those heavy skirts. Slow dancing is quite similar, where two people sort of fuse their upper bodies together and step slowly about in time to music. As the dance progresses and the mind turns away from thinking and focusses on the sensation of simply being there in a common motion, there is a chance to go into a meditative state. This is not too common in our world because it takes about 20 minutes, but many cultures have ritual dancing that is specifically intended to take people into hyperspace.

Yoga simply means "union" or "yoking", referring to the union of the person and God. When you were doing the stretching and bending part, perhaps you got into breath control. Here's a simple example, assuming you're as stiff as most of us. Sit flat on the floor, legs straight in front, point your hands in the direction of your toes and allow your body to relax forward. Now focus on the sensation of breathing. Allow your breathing rate to slow to a relaxed rate, and then inhale deeply, and as you exhale, allow your body to relax a bit more forward. You will feel some muscles, so relax them, and as you again exhale allow them to relax more. Keep at it. Your head will eventually touch the floor, but don't overdo it., It's all done with relaxation and release.

While you do this exercise, notice that initially you are "thinking". Then, as you focus on the relaxation, the "thinking" part dies away. You simply find that you are "being". As you continue "being" the circumstances of the room etc fall away and you just "are". That's samadhi. Keep going and you will unite with God just as soon as you have relaxed away everything else. The sexual equivalent is called "Tantra" and uses sex to keep you interested, but it's all the same.

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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 5:53pm
 
I vaguely remeber reading that Sufi have a dance. Something about whirling dervishes, and I believe this a way they achieve union with God.
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have heard about the Sufi. I also like the theory behind tai chi, where you move your body with the direction of your opponent flow of energy without obstructing it. although I do not practice dance or tai chi, I just like the theory of it. well, I used to dance and it puts u in touch with your vital life force and spirit.

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Reply #5 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 10:10pm
 
Hi Alysia

You can call it tai chi, or dance, or yoga or whatever - the basic thing is that it gets rid of the "I'm embedded into and defined by the everyday rat race" and allows us to go on to an awareness that transcends attachments to everyday definitions. And that's the transcendental wisdom that is the core of jnana yoga.

It's always interesting to me that when people ask about things, they only understand the explanation for things that they already understand, since they have to have the awareness already in order to talk about it.  I think it's all a big word game. In fact, everything we do in order to enhance our spiritual qualities is a yoga practice, and the names simpy point out what phase we're involved in at the moment. You've been doing this forever, but just not under these labels. On the other hand, were we to eliminate the labels we'd have to stop playing all the label word games.

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Reply #6 - Dec 19th, 2005 at 10:32pm
 
Interesting, Dave. I will be starting Tai Chi next month. Thanks.

You offer sex? Sorry Dave, I'm hetero.   Grin  Grin  Grin  Grin

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Reply #7 - Dec 20th, 2005 at 8:43pm
 
Hi people,
one detail: The Sufi "dance", where they whirl around themselves (saw it on the tv), that reminds me of something which Bruce tells in his books and what I experienced too, it's this spinning around your long axis in mind. I could choose whether the surrounding moves around me or it's me who is moving. And it had an effect of loosing the contact to the surrounding as well as to bothering thoughts, a kind of emptying.
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Reply #8 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 11:07am
 
Hi Dave and Spooky and all on this thread..right Dave..labels, schmables..I'm so tired Dave! Grin I mean not physically, just emotionally..just see so many games to get into..I used to chase after enlightenment hither and thither..so many self help books and seminars too..I believe it's called self help junkie trail..it's all good I guess. finally just got disgusted with my search lead to nowhere..might as well die. none of my books helped. got pissed and talked to the air. that finally did help as the air talked back. found the last self help book that worked for me; only me..couldn't sell this stuff for sure. speaking of ACIM. but it put me back on the trail of hope. so I do talk about it. just realized that more than 20 years has passed and I'm still talking about it, and still not selling it as we each have our individual pathways to whatever. finally realized had to stop quoting the thing...put it in my own words through the experiences a change in mind produces. that came out of the Course too..that I was supposed to forget the Course and only go and experience. only experience talks..talk is really cheap.
so yea, I'm a happy camper now. I'm enjoying your words here Dave and some others. you are very kind. I know you are successful in your work on a deep level. its nice you show up even. some of the youngsters here do not realize it's an honor that they even get read..so easy to dump on people on the internet..my goodness. let us pray. god bless the beast and the children and the broken hearted.
thank you spooky for your adventures you've shared also. would like to have a latte with you two someday. ...
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Reply #9 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 4:20pm
 
Alysia,
I'll tell you when I'm gonna visit the US Shocked Grin !
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Reply #10 - Dec 21st, 2005 at 8:17pm
 
ok Spooky!images.bravenet.com/common/images/smilies/bouncer.gif
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Reply #11 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 11:40pm
 
Hi Bob-
OK,  if you want to dance, then you'll have to provide your own partner. My job is to point out the path, suggest that people take it, and then proceed with a therapeutic presentation of the bill. I often think that it's the bill that causes behavior change!

Alysia - As far as I can see, there is no end to learning. I sort of fumbled through a summary of ACIM as well as Earnest Holmes, Edgar Cayce, and a bunch of Tibetan brothers Rinpoche, plus a few Hindu yogis and some shamism. I can't see any real difference except presentation. Our expectation set, like Doc's post on over-scientificism, has a tendency to get in the way of simply being who we are and doing what we do. To me, you seem to be a healer, or so I gather from your general tone. Thus, instead of "finishing the Course", which is where our expectations tend to look,  you live it, which I would bet was the original idea anyhow.

Where I look toward activities appropriate to my training and experience, I suspect that you could do as much good sharing a latte, a book or an email.   In fact, as compared to Tantra, I think my wife would approve of a latte.  If you're in California one day. let me know.
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Reply #12 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 12:26am
 
I often think that it's the bill that causes behavior change!
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HAR!!! sat here laffing out loud over that one..right..well, if it comes too cheaply you know, it's not valued sometimes.
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Reply #13 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 6:23pm
 
"a therapeutic presentation of the bill"  - I'll have to remember that one!

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pleased to hear that you have a partner to dance with - lucky you.

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