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Reply #15 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 11:16pm
 
Thanks, Dave, that was great!

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That being said, if our brainwaves can operate on various frequencies, how we PERCEIVE time may change in conjunction with our environment.




Yes, it may,Doc.  Though, can you move into a perception where time is not perceived? A perception of no-time?

faster and slower are differential time.  Time itself bends and fluctuates in certain situations and the experience of time bends and fluctuates in certain situations.
Though, in what type of experience would you perceive no-time?
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Reply #17 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 10:47am
 
Hi Dave
Interesting explanation. It's an old idea of course, that the way we experience time is a function of how much time we have experienced; interesting to see it expanded and mathematized. The first time I recall reading it I think I was in 6th or 7th grade and it was the anecdotal subject of one of those little compositions that used to accompany the spelling list for the week. The grownups got to
"indoctrinate" alot with those little paragraphs! They don't use those spelling books any more....

It does appear to be a factor, but is it the whole story? Last week waiting for a car repair when I "should" have been at work reduced me to the level of a two-year old for a bit until I distracted myself with some reading material I had brought along and also caught what was on the TV in the background, which was amusing. Multitasking is another complex phenomenon; I thought I had read women were better at it than men; whether or not I agree with that depends on whoich shopper is ignoring the misbehaving child while concentrating on buying all the "crap" in the stores, and it seems to me women are as good a smen at this.

I do sort of recall making that shift to adult thinking where one asks "Has another year gone by already?" so I agree in part with your assumption is it, that "The JND is a fixed proportion of the age of the person. " But I can, as I said above, lapse into other proportions, or maybe ages, who knows. In the day to day stuf..I don't know how this applies. I am highly skilled at this point in distracting  myself from watching the time. Young chiuldren are not. I can read. They cannot. I can daydream. I'm not sure when young children learn to daydream. So I can play with time in ways they cannot or at least do not. So then is the JND for time so fixed? Then too there are those moments when time stands still, or I lose connection with the hands on the clock. Moments of awe, or moments of great physical pain. What you experience with time is dependent on what you focus on. Great physical pain feels eternal...no time.

(and there are other shifts in adult hood...like changing what you think of as old.)


Younsters lack perspective...is perspectibe merely having achieved a certain ratio of one second to X years? And how does age affect how one is able to learn intervals...

Also there are undoubtedly many personal variations in here, based on biochemistry even...maybe those with ADHD have a different intrinsic JND ratio of whatever.

But ever since reading that spelling essay I have periodically pondered this. I don't know if my growing up felt longer than my child's. I wanted me to grow up but (as a parent you won't misinterpret this I hope) I want my child's childhood to last longer..so that desire figures in to how I experience the time...and when I ask myself which interval feels longer, I can't formulate an answer. I just think there is physical Grennwich Mean Time, and there is personal psychological time. And I'm not sure they correlate.

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Reply #18 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 3:13pm
 
Hi Lucy-
As far as I can tell, every sensory event has its own JND, which is a fixed fraction of stimulus level. The JND varies between observers (or between electronic gizmos) depending on viewpoint, past history, the phase of the moon and the color of your shoes. Further, because granularity of reality occurs through creation of hierarchical structures (like one molecule of silicon dioxide on top of another to make clay, then one glob of clay on top of the other to make a brick, then one brick on top of the other etc) each level of the hierchy has a different "natural grain size" and a different "natural time association". Thus a brick lasts a few thousand years, but with a very high JND for changes, since it has to break, while a sequoia or redwood live a few thousand years and are relatively sensitive to soil changes, or the May Fly that lives only 24 hours, and is very sensitive to the motion of its swarming neighbors etc. All of this can be traced backwards to an initial eigenstate (rigorous logical commonality) at the Planck level.

When you do "something", you are involved in tens of dozens of individual component activities. Each has its own JND so that you experience 3-space as a sort of multiply overlapping sequence of minute changes that have a general flavor of seeming continuous. 

Now let's look into n-space, where we are free to interact in other ways as well.  I was sitting with a friend a few nights back and discussing the way plants "move". If you meditate deeply (or take a number of dangerous mental modifiers) you can reach a state in which you are sensitive to not only the 3-space of everyday experience, but additional spaces as well. (I tried to explain a way to get there by meditation on my site as Seeing in 7-Space www.mbs-hypnoclinic.com although it's not very clear.) In that state if you relax away your preconceptions and simply look at a plant, a rose, a bromiliad, ferns or various other flora, you get two impressions. The 3-space impression is that it's sitting still, and the n-space perception is that it is growing, uncurling and variously wiggling and moving. At this stage, you now have reached the JND  for multi-dimensional vision. It has to be multi-dimensional, because a 3-space camera can't see it, even though you can.

Because the nature of dimensions, for purely formal logical reasons having to do with generating them ex nihilo in the Beginning, is an hierarchical series of Lie congruent eigenstates (heaps of heaps of heaps that all have the Beginning in common) the next eigensystem has 7 dimensions. Three of those are everyday 3-space, and the other 4 are new. We can add one, two or three of the "new dimensions" to everyday experience so as to obtain four 4-space (physical, not space-time) dimensional systems, and we can inhabit all of them all of the time. As an example, my wife told me that when she meditates she sees four quasi-independent realities extending in front of her. I found them too. I also find that I can manipulate these by moving in 3-space, or in other ways, not in 3-space.

So here we are in a 3-space world, from which we are easily capable of extension into numerically higher spaces. In these other spaces we can move in many dimensions at once. Each motion has its own sensory JND, each object in these spaces has a quantum granularity etc.  Each of these can be eventually traced back to its logical roots in the Beginning at the Planck level (or some equivalent, if you are in a different space). That's your GMT constant.

I personally think that kids are wide open to all of this when they are born, but get talked out of it as they get older. "Hey, Johnny, don't talk about Gran'pa Max. He's dead, so you don't really see him. Stop that." So they do. In the end all we believe in is what other people tell us is real for them. "You Mom and I live in the same world and we can both see the same things, and what we can't see doesn't exist. So stop telling us that there's a ball of light coming through the doorway. We don't see it, so it doesn't exist. - Stop talking about those daydreams and go see what's bothering the dog, making it bark so much."

My wife asked my grandadughter, "Where'd you come from?" She replied, "Mommy's tummy." My wife continued, "And before that?" The child responded, "Oh, I was a cook." Since she's a dead ringer for one of the grandparent chefs of years gone by, that kinda stopped all further conversation. Now? She has no interest in looking there.

I strongly suspect that if we were to recover the awareness of childhood we'd live in a far richer and more varied world!

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Reply #19 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 8:38am
 
just thinking...about the downside to the way a year is shorter to adults than to kids...from an article on tsunami survivors:

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The emotional trauma of the disaster lingers throughout the tsunami zone.

For artist Round Kelana, 70, who was one of a half-dozen painters now exhibiting their images of the tsunami in a Banda Aceh government office, the day of the deadly waves remains the topic of conversation in coffee shops.

''For adults, it seems as if it happened yesterday, even though it is a year now," said Kelana, whose long white hair stuck out of his black beret in a hundred directions. ''When people tell their stories, sometimes they make jokes, and laugh. I do, too."

Sitting underneath one of his paintings, in which two women are screaming as they struggle in chest-high water to save their children, Kelana remembers vividly floating in the rush of tsunami water ''when a house floated by me and I said, 'God, save me by putting me on that floating house, so that I can someday tell my children and grandchildren what I had witnessed,' " he said, his eyes twinkling. ''God saved me!"

Kelana said most children seem better adjusted than adults. ''I went to a camp of displaced people," he said. ''It seemed many children had forgotten the tsunami completely. Their memory is erased."



from http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2005/12/25/slow_rebirthcomes_to_a...

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Reply #20 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 3:04pm
 
I personally believe that both the rate of time's passage and the intensity of Earth's gravity have increased sufficiently in the last five years to at least be minutely observable...but of course, this is nothing that I can prove in any quantifiable way.

Whether it has to do with the Schumann Resonance however, I do not know.  I am inclined to believe that it has to do with us getting closer to the radical change to physical reality as we know it which will occur in 2012.
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