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Reply #60 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 1:15am
 
Spit, I like your list of affirmations.  I knew you could do it.  However, you brought up a good point.  Why would you want to achieve PUL in the first place, and the whole good evil question.  Before getting into perceptions of good and evil, lets try to understand them a little better first.  

What is evil?  Does it exists?  Evil does not exist.  It is like cold.  Cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is, in reality, the absence of heat. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat. All matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat.  It is also like darkness.  Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is, in reality, the absence of light. We can study light, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wave lengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present.

Back to evil.  Evil does not exist, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold -- a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love, that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light.  By the way, I must credit this understanding of evil to Albert Einstein.

So to answer your question, what motive would make someone want to project PUL?  Your going to love this one spit... God's presents in a persons heart.

PS: Stay tuned spit, get ready, my evidence of God is coming for you.
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Reply #61 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 12:20pm
 
Eglio..excellent way with words you have. would like to request you gift us with a book. of course, I want everyone to write one as I'm biased that way. I notice some very fine people on this board; especially love to observe when I see someone coming from a balanced viewpoint. just thrills me to death, pardon the pun.

I know nothing about Einstein; did he give us the theory of relativity?
heres a qoute from our great passed on I can entirely "relate" to:

Imagination is more important than Knowledge..Einstein.

blow me down...what a fine board this is turning into..a place where we can know we never die..we just continue debating whether we are alive or dead..

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Reply #62 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 1:08pm
 
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Spit, I like your list of affirmations.  I knew you could do it.  However, you brought up a good point.  Why would you want to achieve PUL in the first place, and the whole good evil question.  Before getting into perceptions of good and evil, lets try to understand them a little better first.  

What is evil?  Does it exists?  Evil does not exist.  It is like cold.  Cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is, in reality, the absence of heat. Everybody or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy. Absolute zero (-460 degrees F) is the total absence of heat. All matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat.  It is also like darkness.  Darkness does not exist either. Darkness is, in reality, the absence of light. We can study light, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wave lengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present.

Back to evil.  Evil does not exist, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold -- a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is not like faith, or love, that exist just as does light and heat. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light.  By the way, I must credit this understanding of evil to Albert Einstein.

So to answer your question, what motive would make someone want to project PUL?  Your going to love this one spit... God's presents in a persons heart.

PS: Stay tuned spit, get ready, my evidence of God is coming for you.


You could reverse those scenario's though eg.

light is an absence of darkness.

Heat is an absence of cold.

If we operated like that, using absence's as our law, then everything wrong with the world is gods fault? because it/he was'nt there to provent it.

cold/heat/darkness/light.

they are all based on our physical body's. a fat man wont feel the cold as much as a skinny man, that must mean he lacks heat. a blind man, wont see light. a person with 20/20 vision will. a man who believes in god will believe in evil, otherwise acts of god/pull would not show.

perception is what allows us to notice things. And perception is a group of physical reactions proccesed by a brain.

100,000 years ago, we had a club in our hand, do you think evil/god were the same as they were today? would social services come and knock on your cave door, about you killing a child because there was'nt enough food around to feed it?.

before god, there was merely instinct. Therefore god, as you use him, is forever changing, killing a 1000 muslims in gods name, would not be considered an act of PUL, in these days, but 600 years ago, i would have been dripping in "PUL" for doing such an act.

Therefore god is a creation of our education, and understanding of the world.

Therefore god here and now. will not be considered  god/good in 1000 years time.

That is why god cannot exist, because it is 100% down to the perception of our 5 sense's we base him upon. Not to mention the rest of the universe.



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Reply #63 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 1:18pm
 
The fact the God is dynamic and not static does not mean that God does not exist.  I would venture to say that clubbing a baby because there is not enough food or killing in the name of God have never been sanctioned by any close to God or any who have made brief contact with the "all that is."

I think since God is all that is, and each of us contains a spark of God, the whole concept of God is quite difficult to understand.  This doesn't change what may be certain divine or karmic laws from being.  Our perceptions of human interactions may or may not correspond to reality in higher planes of existence.

I remember I saw this scrawled on a dorm room wall once:

"God is dead,"  - Nietszche

Then under it:

Nietzsche is dead - God

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Reply #64 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 1:31pm
 
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The fact the God is dynamic and not static does not mean that God does not exist.  I would venture to say that clubbing a baby because there is not enough food or killing in the name of God have never been sanctioned by any close to God or any who have made brief contact with the "all that is."


Since god is not static, it proves it/he is merely a creation/product of the human brain.

the clubbing the baby was an indication to how "human" perceptions change, how values change, and how "god" has been changed to suit us, not the other way around.

how do you know we contain a spark of god?.

if you could not hear and could not see, would you understand the concept of god?

perceptions lead to beliefs. and beliefs lead to perceptions.

Our human nature gives us views/values and perspective, and none of our human attributes has given anything in the way off proof of a god.
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Reply #65 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 11:08pm
 
Yea,
Gods existence is not proven, and its not even certain what god is 'officially'...so,hows that for beliefs?

thats why people always ask, "do you believe in god?"  Why would that even be a question if it werent for the fact that people do "believe" in god..
its a belief.  an invention.  we have invented god as a symbol of our own predicament, of our own belief systems.  Holding all the things we hold, but seperated from ourselves and put on a higher level or plane or whatever the hell...??...God is so human it seems silly to think god is not an invention of humans.
And not vice versa...lol
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Reply #66 - Dec 22nd, 2005 at 11:31pm
 
(My simple opinion):  I feel it's probably the energy that prompted me to take my cat to the vet when we feared she was experiencing some kind of heart failure - she was very depressed during the mysterious bout (which the doctors couldn't figure out).  Nothing is in it for me at all - I didn't want to see her suffer and we were worried that she would die.  It's not simply about the comfort of having her alive for our own sake - it's more than that.  She's a part of the family.

Sure, she's a cat and we can't really communicate in words but there's an underlying feeling there that's truly strong in some sense.  It's bonding with another life (be it human adult, baby or puppy) and the urge to care for that life.
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Reply #67 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 12:23am
 
Well spit, I'll say one thing... your dug in deep.  As for reversing those scenario's light is an absence of darkness and heat is an absence of cold.  Interesting but your coming up a little short.  You can't identify cold and darkness scientifically.  You can identify heat and light.  Matter transmits energy producing heat and light.  At absolute zero (-460 degrees F) there is nothing going on there, no energy, no light, it's dead. 

Even when I present what you would call proven scientific evidence from one of the greatest minds we know (Albert Einstein) that matter, energy, light, and heat exist, and cold and darkness does not... you are willing to turn your world upside down just to hold on to your position.  If your not willing to see the light and accept it's existence... your probably not ready for my existence of God evidence.


Spit says: "If we operated like that, using absence's as our law, then everything wrong with the world is gods fault? because it/he wasn't there to provent it."

Would anyone in this world ever be at fault for not being at the scene of a crime?  Once again, your lack of confidence in human perception is turning your world into bizzaro world.


PS:  Alysia, I agree, this is a great site.  Your one of the reasons it is.  Thanks for your activity and kind words.
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Reply #68 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 12:59am
 
some ideas what PUL is to me:

...   ...                   ...

thank u for your kindness Eg.
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Reply #69 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 6:19am
 
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Even when I present what you would call proven scientific evidence from one of the greatest minds we know (Albert Einstein) that matter, energy, light, and heat exist, and cold and darkness does not... you are willing to turn your world upside down just to hold on to your position.  If your not willing to see the light and accept it's existence... your probably not ready for my existence of God evidence.


Spit says: "If we operated like that, using absence's as our law, then everything wrong with the world is gods fault? because it/he wasn't there to provent it."

Would anyone in this world ever be at fault for not being at the scene of a crime?  Once again, your lack of confidence in human perception is turning your world into bizzaro world.


i think you need to ajust your understanding on the word "god".

i'll give you the dictionary quote.

"A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. "

Omnipotent
"Having unlimited or universal power, authority, or force; all-powerful."

whats gods excuse for not stopping someone being shot? His car broke down?

you still fail to answer may statement about perception.

without your ears, without your eyes? would you know god exists? the answer is no.

because "god" is an idea which has evolved in the minds of humans and which has been passed on, it's an idea thats so strong because it grants us a glimpse of hope, that we are immortal.

as our brain evolves, the idea of god evolves with it.

water, no matter how intelligent we become is still water.

cold and darkness, may be an absence of heat and light. but as i have said, without "coldness" and "darkness" you would'nt know heat and light existed.

Without acts of evil you would'nt know be able to distinguish acts of love. but yet you say evil does'nt exist?.


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Reply #70 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 9:58pm
 
Spit, I like your definition of God.  That is why I try not to second guess him.  Do you think we should comprehend every move he makes?  Does a one year old understand when we rip away a shinny coin from them so they don't choke on it.  The one year old is devastated, can not comprehend why the person he/she loves and trusts the most would take away their new precious treasure.  Does this sound familiar?  Are we to comprehend when our God the Heavenly Father does this to us and takes away our most precious?  The gap of understanding is only a few years of basic knowledge before the one year old understands why he couldn't have the coin.  However the gap of understanding between us and God's knowledge is infinite.  Yet you say. "whats gods excuse for not stopping someone being shot? His car broke down?"  Your frustration is as understandable as the one year old.  Take comfort in knowing that God still loves you.

To answer your question about perception:  Spit says, "without your ears, without your eyes? would you know god exists? the answer is no."  Just because someone is deaf and blind to God does not mean God does not exist.  Blessed is he who can perceive a small piece of the Lord our God.  A baby in the womb does not perceive their loving mother.  In time the baby will grow and their perception and understanding of their mother will grow.  Not by thought alone but by experiences.  The mother and her love was there the whole time.   Humanity has and will grow to understand God who existed the whole time.

Spit, do not use isolated perceptions to create your reality.  Build on your knowledge and experiences and that of your brothers and sisters.
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Reply #71 - Dec 23rd, 2005 at 11:06pm
 
egdio, that was religious claptrap, what you just said.
What you said is pure unconditional speculation based on your own personal beliefs.  And reminds me of a witness. or a sermon to a bunch of mindless followers.
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Reply #72 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 3:36pm
 
raz, thats just because i used the term "Lord our God".  you can switch that with higher self or source if it makes you feel better.   i just did that for dramatic effect.
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Reply #73 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 4:00pm
 
well, arent you essentially repeating suggestions from religion....
All drama aside.  those phrases.....the lord our god...higher self...source...what do they have in common?

is, the lord our god, higher self, and source, really synonyms?

if they all meant source, then wouldnt 'the lord our god' be a distortion of 'source'.  and vice versa....

hmm, yea i dont see 'the lord our god' as a synonym of source, but a label we attach to source.  What source is , is a mystery...calling it god doesnt help solve the mystery of what source is.

The fact is, you believe the lord or god is source, but dont know what the source is because you view it as the lord our god,  correct?Like thats what it is, its final in your opinion, the source is lord our god.

And that  invention about source could possibly be incorrect? correct, since the existence of source is not itself understood at this current time?

Is god, a programmed guess?
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Reply #74 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 5:00pm
 
The Bible presupposes that God is the ground of all Being.  One of the most amazing aspects of the biblical God is how often `He' opposes the primitive temptation to anthropomorphize "Him".   In the ancient Mediterranean world, a god's name was thought to express its essence.   But Israel's God warns that it is not possible to capture `His' essence in words.   So `He' twice refuses requests to disclose  His name (Genesis 32:29; Judges 13:18) and reminds Israel: "My thoughts are completely different from yours,' says the Lord, `And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine.  For just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts higher than your thoughts (Isaiah 55:8-9)."

But at the burning bush, Moses needs God to be more specific.   God has commissioned Moses to lead the exodus and Moses needs to know the source of this promised deliverance.  Once again, rather than give a name, God answers Moses:
"Tell them, `I will be whatever I will be has sent you (Exodus 3:14).'"

God's self-description implicitly instructs us not to seek abstract intellectual mastery of His essence, but rather to know Him by His gracious acts in our behalf and by our intimate communion with Him:

"When you pray, I will listen.  If you look for me with all your heart, you will find me when you seek me (Jeremiah 20:12-3)."

The experience of PUL as a manfestation of God's essence is relevant to the discovery of God through prayer and meditation.

God's reply to Moses also contains this warning; don't anthropomorphize me and put me in a box.   I will be whatever I will be to you.  But I reserve the right to communicate in mysterious ways through the myths, visoins,  and beliefs of other cultures as well.  Later, when Israel has totally neglected social justice, God disabuses them of their claim to exclusive access to `Him':

"`Do you Israelites think you are more important to me than the Ethiopians?' asks the Lord.  `I brought you out of Egypt, but have I not done as much for other nations too? I brought the Philistines from Crete and led the Arameans out of Kir (in Iraq--(Amos 9:7).'" 

This stunning corrective provides the best antidote to an exclusivistic Promised Land theology and the best biblical basis for the rights of Palestinians to a homeland in Israel. 

In a different vein, I encourage everyone to read microbiologist Michael Behe's earth-shaking book, "Darwin's Black Box."  Behe is at the center of the current political firestorm over whether Intelligent Design should be taught in school biology classes.   In my view, it should not.  But Behe's book makes a compelling case for the fact that the human cell contains 6 molecular machines or survival systems that are "irreducibly complex like a wristwatch you might find on the beach.   Irreducible complexity means that these molecular "machines" cannot be explained as the gradual result of tiny mutations.   The book is entitled "Darwin's Black Box" because in his day scientists had no idea about cellular mechanics.   

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