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Reply #45 - Dec 18^th, 2005 at 11:45pm

It seems the acts of PUL are really getting challenged (their motives in question) here. I like this very honest look at behavior. I don't think however, this proves that PUL is unattainable. For me it shows how rare and special it is. Chumley's "exploitation theory" really exposes some possible false PUL. I was able to come up with a possible example of a genuine PUL act. How about a parent who would throw them self in front of a bus to save their child. Most parents would do this, I know I would. I think I would be acting out of PUL. I can't think of any other motive. Maybe Cumley will see something i'm missing.

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Reply #46 - Dec 19^th, 2005 at 12:11am

Ok, if that is a genuine experience of pul, is that the only way to experience pul, or 'attain' pul?, ...is to be a parent saving their child from getting hit by a bus? It seems silly
and kind of relative, because what if someones not a parent? and kind of conditional, What if someones not a parent...
The motivations behind that though are protection and/or avoidance from trauma for your child or 'loved ones'.
Though, If you saw a bum or misfit or an enemy even, about to be hit by a bus, would you try to save them from trauma?

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Reply #47 - Dec 19^th, 2005 at 5:55am

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It seems the acts of PUL are really getting challenged (their motives in question) here. I like this very honest look at behavior. I don't think however, this proves that PUL is unattainable. For me it shows how rare and special it is. Chumley's "exploitation theory" really exposes some possible false PUL. I was able to come up with a possible example of a genuine PUL act. How about a parent who would throw them self in front of a bus to save their child. Most parents would do this, I know I would. I think I would be acting out of PUL. I can't think of any other motive. Maybe Cumley will see something i'm missing.

If you look at the motivations behind doing that such an act.

society expects you to do this, movies/books and other enviromental aspects have progammed you into doing this, + the core instinct which says protect your young.

i'll ask you another question.

if you had to choose between your own child, and another persons and you could only save 1...which one would you choose?.

it would be your own... why? the selfish nature we all have, wants to avoid the pain of loss.

if you look behind almost every act, you will find a motive, just some motives are more clearly indicated then others.

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Reply #48 - Dec 19^th, 2005 at 2:00pm

I wonder about the elephants though. During Tsunami elephants rescued people from the lowlands, with no training or forethought, from the article I read, just from their own instincts, and brought these people to higher land; I'm still scratching my head over this one. theres other stories like one, especially about dolphins who have healing capacity upon children and adults. occassionally in the media we hear about these things and it makes u wonder why a dog for instance would save it's master from fire or a drowning if it didn't have that unconditional love inside. could love be just as instinctual as fear? could the two work as one force for the production of another purpose? for man's evolvement here? for Monroe's loosh crop?
harvest your experiences?

I'm a mother. a lot of you know what it is to be a parent. I became like a fierce cougar to protect them from the things I went through. that would part and parcel of the reason for becoming parents here. of course we would die for our children if push came to shove. they are entrusted into our care for a time. you've heard the term "a child only a mother could love?" thats because the family is a unit. the child is really yourself you are protecting, so it is supremely selfish to protect that which you love above and beyond the stranger who also needs to be pushed out of the way of an oncoming train. let his own parent save him from death. He did, in a way invent his own accident long before you happened to view his demise. You must first love yourself and everything that is human and fallible within yourself the same, or this unconditional love cannot possibly move out into all of humanity to reach for extended family relationship.

you must see before you believe, yet you must believe before you can see.

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Reply #50 - Dec 19^th, 2005 at 4:51pm

Dolphins healing children, is due to the amount of sensory infomation the dolfin can communicate to a brain, which is in some ways damaged.

I hav'nt heard about un trained elephants carrying people to safety, so you will need to send me a link.

Dogs are great, but they still run on instinct, you gain the title of pack member, the dog has instincts which say you need protecting/help if needed. Alot of the time, the smarter the dog, the more cleaver it is in attaining help.

i'll make a more un-equal child death scenario.

You have 8 children, one of your childen is on the train track aged 7, you are a full time mother and live at home, with a partner who provides all the financial support.

Theres another child who by no fault of the parent is on the same track, and this child is aged 5 and is the only child of a single mother, who has to work 2 jobs to just keep a roof over there head.

you save your own child, but the woman who lost hers, because of your decision. Has to work 2 jobs, has no partner or family to support her, and she has to take out a loan to pay for her only child to have a descent send off. She spends the rest of her life, in constant distress with no one to turn to. 2 jobs she hates, and not having any money because she has to pay off the loan she took out.

If the situation had been reversed, you would have lost 1 child, you have a huge loss, but you still have a roll to play, you have 7 other children who need looking after, you have a husband and other family members ready to support all your needs, you dont have to take out a loan, and you do not have to take on 2 jobs just to keep yourself alive.

Now you have to balance, what this lost has cost each person, while both are tragic, even in these dark scenario's theres better and worse off.

Your selfish nature was'nt based on "PUL" but on the fact you were not willing to cause yourself some pain, even at the cost of costing someone else a nightmare for a life.

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Reply #51 - Dec 20^th, 2005 at 1:14am

Looks like I opened a can of worms with this bus. I enjoy playing devil advocate as much as the next guy. But am I the only one here that's going to take the position that we in this world CAN project a genuine PUL? Forget the friggin bus. lol. All the factors and motivations mentioned do exist... society expectations, biological instinct, self-interest, environmental programs. But, I think ironically you are missing the one factor that does make it possible for us to project PUL. All the factors mention pertain to our human side. We are more than flesh, it is our divine spirit that can achieve PUL. This spirit is not a slave to the flesh. If you believe that you have a piece or connection to god/the source/creator within you... Than it is an insult to god/the source/creator to say I am not capable of projecting PUL.

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Reply #52 - Dec 20^th, 2005 at 2:08am

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If you believe that you have a piece or connection to god/the source/creator within you... Than it is an insult to god/the source/creator to say I am not capable of projecting PUL.

Hmmm, thats the point. If you believe that your being is not already a projection holding love in every projection, not just certain projections where certain life-saving acts are performed....

For pul to work it has to hold a broader bases of what it represents than just one type of experience out of countless types of experiences.
I have also mentioned that it holds conditions. And even your example is a representation of a certain condition in which pul is genuine.
So i am left to ponder whether pul is all encompassing or just a here or there experiences under certain circumstances type of belief, itself.

spitfire mentioned:

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if you look behind almost every act, you will find a motive, just some motives are more clearly indicated then others.

Yes, just notice what you are doing and your motivations. I wonder though, how encompassing are our beliefs as motivations behind our actions?

If you believe something, isnt then an action motivated by that belief soon to follow?

even in mundane actions like what type of shoes to buy, or how many times a day we should brush our teeth, or what foods we should and should not eat, what we should do ...and what we are doing is believing in what we are and should be doing.
Motivating our self in directions that are influenced by the beliefs we hold....or adopt, or change

A massive amount of the motivations behind our actions are influenced by our beliefs. so much in fact I almost want to say all actions are influenced by beliefs....l:)

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Reply #53 - Dec 20^th, 2005 at 11:01am

Egdio say: Than it is an insult to god/the source/creator to say I am not capable of projecting PUL.
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truer words cannot be spoken.

ACIM: We attack God if we would prove that death and sickness is real and that we are not whole, complete and at one with God; All That Is. we are allowed to start a war because we have free will to choose this, or to choose life. Where did you get your will to choose between? Is life a gift or a thing to be endured?
does not love, one moment of love make it all worthwhile? Yes! One sip of wine and water does not satisfy ever again.

in all your getting..get love.

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Reply #54 - Dec 20^th, 2005 at 3:28pm

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Looks like I opened a can of worms with this bus. I enjoy playing devil advocate as much as the next guy. But am I the only one here that's going to take the position that we in this world CAN project a genuine PUL? Forget the friggin bus. lol. All the factors and motivations mentioned do exist... society expectations, biological instinct, self-interest, environmental programs. But, I think ironically you are missing the one factor that does make it possible for us to project PUL. All the factors mention pertain to our human side. We are more than flesh, it is our divine spirit that can achieve PUL. This spirit is not a slave to the flesh. If you believe that you have a piece or connection to god/the source/creator within you... Than it is an insult to god/the source/creator to say I am not capable of projecting PUL.

But is there more then the flesh?, is there such a thing as a divine spirit?, do we hold a peice of god within us?.

Evidence says.
1.) No, we are mearly flesh with the most advanced brain ever to grow on the surface of the earth.
2.) No, theres no good proof a "spirit" exists.
3.) No, theres no good proof a god exists, nor the fact we hold any of him/her it, within us.

Theres no scenario, i can think of, nor that has been mentioned that has'nt been done, for the purpose to furfil a selfish need of the person/thing doing it.

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Reply #55 - Dec 20^th, 2005 at 11:17pm

since we seem to be so honest here to state our <narrow> viewpoints as if there was something absolutely true about them, which there is not..I contribute my lyrics here from one of our greats....see if u can guess who wrote this..and see if it does not remind you of people we meet in our world.
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MAN OF PEACE

LOOK OUT YOUR WINDOW BABY THERES A SCENE YOU’LL LIKE TO CATCH, THE BAND IS PLAYING DIXIE, A MAN’S GOT HIS HAND OUTSTRETCHED, COULD BE THE FUHRER, COULD BE THE CHIEF OF POLICE
U KNOW SOMETIMES SATAN COME AS A MAN OF PEACE!

HE GOT THE SWEET GIFT OF GAB, HE GOT THE HARMONIOUS TONGUE, KNOWS EVERY SONG OF LOVE THAT EVER HAS BEEN SUNG, BUT THE INTENTIONS CAN BE EVIL, BOTH HANDS FULL OF GREASE, YOU KNOW SOMETIMES SATAN, COME AS A MAN OF PEACE!

FIRST HE’S IN THE BACKGROUND, THEN HE’S OUT IN FRONT, BOTH EYES ARE LOOKING LIKE HE’S ON A RABBIT HUNT, NOBODY CAN SEE THRU HIM, NOT EVEN THE CHIEF OF POLICE, U KNOW SOMETIMES SATAN COMES AS A MAN OF PEACE!

HE’LL CATCH U WHEN YOU’RE HOPING FOR A GLIMPSE OF THE SUN, CATCH YOU WHEN YOUR TROUBLES FEEL LIKE THEY WEIGH A TON, HE COULD BE STANDING NEXT TO YOU, THE PERSON THAT YOU NOTICE LEAST, I HEAR SOMETIMES SATAN COME AS A MAN OF PEACE!

HE CAN BE FACINATING, HE CAN BE DUMB, HE CAN RIDE DOWN NIAGARA FALLS IN A BARREL OF YOUR STUFF, I CAN SMELL SOMETHIN COOKIN, I CAN TELL THERE’S GOING TO BE A FEAST, U KNOW SOMETIMES SATAN COME AS A MAN OF PEACE!

HE’S A GREAT HUMANITARIAN, A GREAT PHILANTHROPIST, HE KNOWS JUST WHERE TO TOUCH YOU BABY AND HOW U LIKE TO BE KISSED, HE’LL PUT BOTH HIS ARMS AROUND YOU CAN FEEL THE TENDER TOUCH OF THE BEAST
U KNOW SOMETIMES SATAN COME AS A MAN OF PEACE!

WELL HOLLYWOOD WILL HOWL TONITE, KINGSNAKE WILL CRAWL, TREES THAT STOOD FOR A 1,000 YEARS SUDDENLY WILL FALL, WANNA GET MARRIED DO IT NOW, TOMORROW ALL ACTIVITY WILL CEASE, I HEAR SOMETIMES SATAN COME AS A MAN OF PEACE

SOMEWHERE MAMA’S WEEPIN’ FOR HER BLUE EYED BABY BOY, SHE’S HOLDING THEM LITTLE WHITE SHOES, AND THAT LITTLE BROKEN TOY, AND HE’S FOLLOWING A STAR, THE SAME ONE THAT CAME IN FROM THE EAST, I HEAR SOMETIMES SATAN COME AS A MAN OF PEACE!

ps. Spitfire, in case u haven't noticed both evil and good live inside of every person. its your choice if you would know love.

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Reply #56 - Dec 21^st, 2005 at 12:13am

Spit and raz are 100% correct, It is true that beliefs shapes our actions. That is why I think it is useful to have the ability to modify or change ones beliefs. As we experience things in this world, we try to evaluate what is real and how does this new information change our purpose. It is helpful at times to go back and revisit our old beliefs and do some cleaning. You would be surprised at the amount of conflict that can build up in your belief system file. A little belief updating/cleaning will help your actions to be more effective with your new creative purpose/desires.

As for spits motive theory... What if your motive was to achieve a PUL projection? Lets say you were inspired by the thought of achieving this. Lets say you had a complete understanding of what a genuine PUL projection is. Lets say you had complete knowledge of all possible false motives... you read the book, "101 hidden agendas" by spitfire. I'm sure someone like spit could make all the necessary affirmations that would dissolve all un-pure motives. Think about it spit, I think you can do it.

As for spits lack of evidence for God or spirit. I can respect that. I am very scientific myself. I make a point of cleaning the slate and starting where spit is coming from once in a while. I then revisit the so-called evidence out there and my own experiences. I must say, each time I do this, my belief in God and afterlife grows. I'm at about 99.9% right now.

I would look forward to sharing my so-called evidence with spit in future. Putting my thoughts into his fire will either destroy or strengthen them for sure.

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egdio7 New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 37	Re: What is PUL? Reply #57 - Dec 21^st, 2005 at 12:30am Thanks for lyrics Alysia, classic Bob
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Reply #58 - Dec 21^st, 2005 at 4:00am

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since we seem to be so honest here to state our <narrow> viewpoints as if there was something absolutely true about them, which there is not..I contribute my lyrics here from one of our greats....see if u can guess who wrote this..and see if it does not remind you of people we meet in our world.

ps. Spitfire, in case u haven't noticed both evil and good live inside of every person. its your choice if you would know love.

good and evil is still a matter of perception. since everyone has there own perception, what is good and what is bad?.

time changes everything, 50 years ago, giving a child a caning was perfectly normal. today, it would result in your child been taken off you.

Not to mention, the fact that we are merely human, and we judge what is "good" and what is "bad" by our own values. values engrained by instinct+ what we have been taught.

What we have been taught, and what we learn, differs with each generation, they cant all be right.

i know, people who are drugged up on there love fantasy's find it hard to believe in a little thing most of us call "proof", but it really is the only way to convince someone you are correct, if no one can offer any thing to disprove your points, then it is a fact until proven otherwise.

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Reply #59 - Dec 21^st, 2005 at 4:49am

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As for spits motive theory... What if your motive was to achieve a PUL projection? Lets say you were inspired by the thought of achieving this. Lets say you had a complete understanding of what a genuine PUL projection is. Lets say you had complete knowledge of all possible false motives... you read the book, "101 hidden agendas" by spitfire. I'm sure someone like spit could make all the necessary affirmations that would dissolve all un-pure motives. Think about it spit, I think you can do it.

As for spits lack of evidence for God or spirit. I can respect that. I am very scientific myself. I make a point of cleaning the slate and starting where spit is coming from once in a while. I then revisit the so-called evidence out there and my own experiences. I must say, each time I do this, my belief in God and afterlife grows. I'm at about 99.9% right now.

I would look forward to sharing my so-called evidence with spit in future. Putting my thoughts into his fire will either destroy or strengthen them for sure.

If you look deep enough, you can find a motive for virtually anything, if you thought you wanted to achieve "PUL", why would you want to achieve this?..personal growth, is a selfish motive. But you have given me an idea, for what would'nt be selfish.

You wish to achieve "PUL" to make people around you happy, on the condition that.

-You dont wish to achieve PUL, so you can recieve more of it from others.

-You dont wish to achieve PUL, to make yourself "grow".

-You dont wish to achieve PUL for fame.

if someone did this, i would think that "pul" existed. But then again, ive yet to see it.

But then even thinking further back, why would you like to make someone else happy? are you repaying them for what they give you? so that they will continue to give you the thing which makes you happy?.

every human being is good at maths, we are all risk taking, gambling machines ^^.

Ok, heres the ultimate act of "PUL"

You wish to achieve "PUL" to make a stranger happy.

-You dont wish to earn brownie points with a higher power.

-You dont wish to achieve PUL, so you can recieve more of it from others.

-You dont wish to achieve PUL, to make yourself "grow".

-You dont wish to achieve PUL for fame.

There you go, i would say thats as close to PUL without motive as you can get. But then again ive never seen that, although if i did, i would certainly stop and re-evaluate my beliefs.

On the god topic.

Ive heard alot of theory's based on his existance from various sources/course's ive done. Yet ive never heard anything that really gives me any remote belief he might exist unfortunatly Sad

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You can show me some evidence, hopefully there will be somthing based on science to prove his existance

. Not the stero typical answer.

"If you have faith, no answer is nessicary, if you dont have faith no answer is enough"

That really aggrovates me, for i am open to evidence, As long as it aint based on total cods wallop.

About the afterlife, you know i change my mind so often about it existing, mostly due to the people on this board, i read all robert monroes books and i was quite drawn into them, but them he started meeting umpa lumpa's. and he met someone who was thousands of years old. and then he started getting into time paradox's with his past and futures selves.

Around that time, i was starting to think, OBE = immagination. No more then a dream, if it was real then it would be all over the world, everyone would be buying OBE kits.

theres a 1 million dollar reward for whoever can prove OBE'S exist, yet not 1 person has stepped forward to claim it, i asked why here and what did i get? "we dont need money to be happy", Hence the selfish nature of any human being, even those who claim to live with "pul" everyday. aslong as there happy, they dont care if the rest of the world lives through there life without knowing the "truth". Which leads me onto the possibility that either, there Obe's are not real, and therefore it will not hold up. Or there beliefs are merely illusions, either way there liars....and you should never believe someone who lies to themself becuase they will not hesitate to do the same to you.

dont get me wrong, if someone had an obe and told me the items that were on my desk exactly, i would give them the benefit of doubt, and i would believe them. until they give people evidence, dont trust them, for we are all motivated by personal gain, not 1 of them can give me proof, they will no doubt say, i need to find my own, and i intend to but it will be from someone who is more solid in there beliefs then they are, for as human beings knowledge is needed to be shared for new ideas to form, and evidence is what keeps us from being made fools of.

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