Hi Alysia and all,
first, a technical thing. To state there is "PUL" and then try to describe what it is might be the wrong direction because it seems as if something is to be assumed without even knowing what it is. This is I guess one thing which Spitfire is criticizing. So let's go the other way round (and this is what this thread is meant to be I think), to tell some single experiences which seem to be for the teller connected with other experiences, so we have a complex, and then we can find a name for it- for example PUL. Then we will have not a discussion whether this IS PUL and that IS not or if PUL IS at all, but a discussion what phaenomena we would gather under the name "PUL", which just everybody is free to accept something to call "PUL" or not, because every definition is valid within a group of people which accept the definition- and is valid only in this group.
But to start a fundamental critic about the meaning of words is never a good idea because in the end it's all circular definitions and if not circular it has an end or is infinite. In exchange for certainty through definitions there only is personal evidence and this is subjective by nature. Additionally, words are per se indirect expressions of a person's experience and we are not standing in one's other's shoes by just talking. If we could achieve to experience another person's subjective experience the misunderstandings would of course decrease, who knows how far we really can do it already? But there's no way to (objectively) proof this, at least not in this world.


Now:
The first time I got familiar with the term "PUL" was reading Bruce's books. Therefore, I'll tell my experiences which for me seem to be similar to what Bruce wrote and similar to those which were reported on this board regarding the term PUL.

The way to imagine feelings as energy for me is very effective. "Energy" not as a term of physics, but to imagine it as something fluid or gas-like, in other words to substantiate it a bit rather than the common opinion of something we create in our inner world and unable to get out (strictly and only subjective).

When I had this perspective of course I wanted the good vibes Bruce told of. What I get was something which for me is best described in holding opposites in it. It was warm and cold in the same time, as well as penetrating and expanding. Later I found it is best to not try to produce this energy but to open up for it as a gate, and it is like I can modify it or amplify it without loosing much energy of myself (up to now, I need to concentrate and that needs vital energy).

On some occasions it is best (though not really good) described by an orgasm, but all stages of the sexual act at once including the relaxed state after it.

Or, another type, a pressure feeling in the middle of the chest, but not like I heard it is with heart problems or asthma, but more a pressure from inside outwards; it brings the feeling of being very serene, happy, full of activity and openness to get in contact with other people and to be enterprising, euphoric. Once I did the heart exercise in Bruce's newest book and had this feeling in the middle of my chest. After the exercise, I opened my eyes and my room looked like filled with white haze, but no clouds, very equal, as if I had something on my eyes, I blinked several times but it stayed and vanished slowly after about ten minutes. But the pressure feeling in the heart still remained. I went outside, and yes, strangers said "hello" to me, having a short conversation, other people were looking at me in a confused or curious manner or just smiled. Meanwhile the pressure sensation in my heart area was becoming uncomfortable, and I visualized to open up and let this energy flow into the infinite space, it was important to visualize the expansion into the infinite to provide a good flow and then I felt better. There also was a constant concentration needed to keep this flow running. So, it seems one can provoke this energy flow to a degree where it's getting too much.
I once saw a symbol for this energy. It was a baby in a blossom, and what it means: The love of the parents, in particular mother's love, the new life means to have a free and open, fresh view on the world, without the burden and the filters of belief systems, the growing and the promise of unseen miracles in a neverending future. Also, love as interest in all things, caring (meaning gentle support, NOT sorrow or distrusting someone's or somethings abilities which for me is important to distinguish), even from a distance or receptive, interest in persons as well as in animals, plants, the wind, or whatever).

I use this energy, me as a gate for it, in retrievals, projecting it on the retrievee which has mostly a soothening effect on them (well, one became unconscious), they are pulled off their thinking patterns.

I wish I could control it more to have an even level of it flowing through me providing a nice level of joy all the time. And I wish, in the case you don't think you know that what I talked about, try to get it! It's waiting for you.

Bye, Spooky

I like that description very much Spooky
I can follow what u say ok. it reminds me what ACIM told me (A Course in Miracles) it said "language is twice removed from reality." so...whatever...
ahem..now that we got that straightened out..your post reminded me of a couple stories where I felt this thing we call PUL, and it's not about absolutes, but just about because I have a lot of words ???

first, couple years back, I like to share my story of NEW. it's an energy exercise to do in meditation which worked really well for me to do my first fully conscious retrieval. in this retrieval I experienced a PUL for a teenage girl who had died suddenly. but before I had this experience, I had a dream message come to me. within my dream bubble whatever, I was with my PE partner sitting before my computer. a lady who worked with Bruce out there came into the room. she first went and got my partner and I watched as she led my partner into another room then came back to me and gave me a note. I eagerly read the note as it had Bruce's name on it. there were about two sentences, the only word I remembered was "Novul." in latin to mean novel, or as I interpreted it later, to mean something NEW.  later on the board I wrote down the exercise and determined to give it my best shot. glad I did..as mentioned above I shot out of my body like a bullet that night fully conscious. never been able to repeat this particular adventure to that degree of consciousness..not likely to forget the compassion I felt for the teenager and the joy also when she went off with her best friend who stood by waiting. frankly, I didn't know I was capable of feeling that deeply for another, a stranger for the most part. a later note on this message dream: shortly after this, my partner did move into another room, or facet of her life, and away from myself, so it was one of those future dreams.

the other isolated PUL experience is probably more commonplace. I was at a garage sale. these are some of my favorite places to hang. two young girls began to sing a popular 50's number but couldn't remember the next verse and were faltering. I jumped in, surprising myself, my lack of shyness and the 3 of us, complete strangers,  finished the song in unison and harmony then burst out laughing for this uncommon circumstance of singing in public. I call it PUL because it just felt so good to be without reservation in doing something I've always loved to do anyway..singing.

thanks y'all, it seems like a good thread to spark some communication between each other.

egdio:God does'nt Exist (99.9% positive.)
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Some of the reasons i dont think "PUL" is real.

We are calculating machines. We play the odds to benefit our selfish nature.

Ive seen people who are violently mental. were for some reason car crash/head injury, have lost the ability to control themselves. they act purely from instinct, and "love" does not show as one of them. i saw a man, knock down his own mother so he could through paint all over himself.

memory is a powerful tool, which can make things based upon the infomation imprinted on it.

imagination + memory + human need to think of one's self as immortal and expand past what we currently are, equals "PUL" as a result of a need to think we can do/control more of reality, our own nature, and our own fate.

It's the need to think, is there more then i am?, we have the tools to imagine this, which can be both a positive and a curse.

"pul" would be a nice thing to believe in, but ive never seen an act of "pul".

belief does allow us to expand beyond our core instincts, which is a positive (most of the time), but first you must have belief, and since the world is getting more educated, belief in things requires more and more proof.

like if i knew the afterlife was real. my life would be alot happier, because i would'nt have to worry about the troubles of this world, my grandmother passed away a few weeks ago, and i asked for someone to check upon her, because she was extremely scared of death. No one even tried(apart from blink, who was'nt greatly confident in her abilitys). That 1 act, could have created alot of "PUL" if someone truely believed in "pul" they would have snapped it up.

I understand that words can be in confusing, but they are needed to prove things to others, in any amount of detail. If i could'nt put somthing into words, i would'nt base my beliefs upon it .

"PUL" does'nt exist for me, but i do believe based upon evidence/experience, that positive/negative energy can affect your life and very existance.

Even mental people understand positive and negative energy, you give them a bucket of paint to throw over themselves and there happy. Therefore there less likely to cause you trouble.

Positive action = the exact same in return.

perhaps, "PUL" could be explained as the vibrations given off between people, which affect the others life in a hugely postive way.

The term "PUL" does'nt really fit in with the way we act, we are still selfish, we still expect things in return.

perhaps the greatest aim we can achieve is to give off more positive energy to others, without thinking "im going to get something back for this", but i have yet to see it .

Hello blink,
               pleasure as always, the stone wall etc rings a bell because i know she was raised on a farm.

i know she was a good cook in her younger days, although this is'nt something strong to me, because the thing with grandparents, is you almost always miss 60% of there life, and people naturally slooooow down.

as i said in my last post, one postive action for another, often comes back at the person who gives it.

you did me a big service, and if you ever need somthing done, to which my talents are suited, i would glad return the favour.

You account was only registered 4 months ago, so unless you used a different name, you could'nt have been around then to recieve pms.

Blink did me a service, why?, to prove it was possible, it added some validity to her claims, it proved she could stick to her beliefs, and it gave her something, while at the same time as helping me, and she has my gratitude for this.

You claim to do amazing things, fly around the afterlife, retriving people at will, making grandoso claims. and the best you can do is tell some poor sod, his girlfriend likes shopping so much she forgot about him?.

It's pretty simple.

1.) You make claims, you back them up.

2.) You cant back them up, you have no right to quote them to others.

If you cant live by your own convictions, then why would anyone trust you, when you cant even be truthful to yourself?.

Your imagination, is exactly that, the process which the brain use's to conjour up new ideas.
I could imagine a nice new ferrari in my dreams, it does'nt make it real.

If you claim things which could affect someones life on such a scale. "PROOF" is essential.

Taro card readers are exactly the same, con merchants who cant stand up against evidence. Just like "so" called physics cant either.

If you cannot back up your claims, do not use them as your personal book of rules when reguarding others.

You account was only registered 4 months ago, so unless you used a different name, you could'nt have been around then to recieve pms.
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yes, I was registered as moondust back in 2001; whats the matter, don't u trust me? silly question I guess.
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Blink did me a service, why?, to prove it was possible, it added some validity to her claims, it proved she could stick to her beliefs, and it gave her something, while at the same time as helping me, and she has my gratitude for this.
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going off my own experience, is that Blink, or myself even, are not obligated, nor motivated to retrieve anyone by anyone's request because we have no need to offer proof..from what I have picked up on Blink, she operates from PUL to offer to you a little hope. u expressed your gratitude and so let's drop the subject.
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You claim to do amazing things, fly around the afterlife, retriving people at will, making grandoso claims. and the best you can do is tell some poor sod, his girlfriend likes shopping so much she forgot about him?.
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are u angry with me? I don't know where you're coming from. you have no reason to take your anger out on me. u seem to think the world owes you proof. nobody owes you anything. I'm just happy about one thing I saw in you earlier, that u said you were grateful. gratefulness is really close to PUL, and that's what this thread is about; PUL. so lets leave off on your little snide put downs, ok? lets keep on topic. you are a member here and I am a member here. makes absolutely no difference how long either of us have been yakking here, but I refuse to take you seriously if you are going to continually put me or anyone else down here. thats not why we are here.
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It's pretty simple.

1.) You make claims, you back them up.
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ok, enumerate my answers:
1) I make no claims..you make your own assumptions and call them claims
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2.) You cant back them up, you have no right to quote them to others.
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2) wow. what a superb put down for me. essentially, you would rather I just hit the road and not be here? as you say I have no "right" to quote my own self? because I have no proof or person to back me up? oh, please, and may I please have your references also Spitfire? I didn't know they were required. I could go round up my references but I told you I'm not going to be the one to give you any proof of anything.
good luck in trying to get what u need from any other person on this earth. I don't think it works that way. I suggest that reading books or study or meditation may help you learn to be a little more tolerant of others beliefs.
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If you cant live by your own convictions, then why would anyone trust you, when you cant even be truthful to yourself?.
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what are u really saying? trust is implicent in the process. I wish u could experiment with trust more, I don't think u trust yourself, your own abilities to get the proof you need, but I think you have the power inside you to proceed. you seem very strong in your determination, so I wish u well. don't give up! thats all I can say about it.
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Your imagination, is exactly that, the process which the brain use's to conjour up new ideas.
I could imagine a nice new ferrari in my dreams, it does'nt make it real.
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I can tell that you have not read or understood Moen's books regarding the imagination useage. again, I wish u would, otherwise we are on two different wave lengths here and cannot have a productive conversation at all.
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If you claim things which could affect someones life on such a scale. "PROOF" is essential.
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the proof is individualized and highly personal. to lay it out there like it happened is like risking abuse, such as I am getting from you right now, as you have no idea how I feel in your insensitivity towards me. it hurts frankly. but I am getting stronger in my emotional body all the time, so I can respond to you even knowing you're just going to shoot me down again if u get the chance. that strength inside me is my proof, that the path I'm on, from being affiliated here, from reading Monroe and Moen and other explorers here is the right one for me. the peace that comes from such exploration, from getting guidance too, all of it, is my proof..as the way you feel when u get up in the morning is the measure of your progress within spiritual areas. from what I can see from here, you seem to be hurting. I wish I could help. I know what its like to hurt so bad you want to kill yourself. I'm sorry. I think u may have some friends here who can help. I don't know. again, I wish u well on your journey.
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If you cannot back up your claims, do not use them as your personal book of rules when reguarding others.
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you know, as many times as you've said this statement Spitfire, you might do well in a clinical laboratory to begin measurement of abilities of mankind to perceive ESP, or any number of phenonmenon in our world.
I really don't think you will get any kind of proof from this forum that you are looking for. do u have someone on the outside whom you love? that is the best place to start to learn of the power of love to heal you from all hurt. I'm sorry you are so displeased with me. oh well, can't win em all, right?

carry on, it certainly can't get any worse or could it?
have a nice day.

Sasuke,

I am not experienced at any of this and am fairly new to this forum (since last spring). 

I consider my two recent attempts to be EXTREMELY experimental and not really a "service," but simply an attempt to give a gift from the heart and to learn more about myself and the kinds of abilities that are discussed here.   

I think we are each capable of doing more than we think we are, and the purpose of this forum is to encourage others to learn how to do this kind of exploration on their own.

I recently responded to a couple of people because I felt a personal connection to them from previous postings.  This kind of activity does support a kind of "heart" connection between two people.

We tread on very emotional ground with this kind of activity.  It involves people's lives and emotions and I think careful consideration should be given to it.

On the other hand, how will any of us learn if we don't try to help each other and ourselves?  This site offers a wealth of knowledge and a starting point for each of us.

blink 

Alysia said to Spitfire:

"you know, as many times as you've said this statement Spitfire, you might do well in a clinical laboratory to begin measurement of abilities of mankind to perceive ESP, or any number of phenonmenon in our world. "

So:

"The VERITAS Research Program of the Human Energy Systems Laboratory in the Department of Psychology at the University of Arizona was created primarily to test the hypothesis that the consciousness (or identity) of a person survives physical death."

http://veritas.arizona.edu/

They also tested mediums.

Bob