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Reply #120 - Feb 26th, 2010 at 9:23am
 
Hi

Also a note about overlapping lifetimes -- Others might say that some layers of what we think of as a cohesive self can pass on before the physical self moves into the afterlife. Perhaps those layers are enough to start a new physical incarnation.

I have photographs and valid documentation of a soul who was born into this life approximately two years before the prior passing of his double in all things--appearance, profession, beliefs, attitudes, etc. To protect his privacy I don't share it, but should I hear that he has passed on before I go, I'll put it all out in a thread here. I think it could surprise even a disbeliever of the 'transmigration' of souls.

"Overlapping lifetimes' and 'a layered self' could just be inadequacies of our vocabulary when discussing the same aspect of the non-physical.

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Reply #121 - Feb 26th, 2010 at 1:01pm
 
Berserk wrote on Dec 19th, 2005 at 8:04pm:
Here are 4 definitions of key value terms:

(1) "PUL" = "A way of being motivated by the promotion of the highest good for others."

PUL is "pure" in the sense that it is uncontaminated by ego, lust, or personal agendas and "unconditional" in the sense that it is expressed without regard to whether it is reciprocated, respected, or deserved.   Though neither an emotion or an energy in the earth plane, PUL can be experienced as an energy in the astral planes where all communication is telepathic and thoughts are things.  

(20 "Moral absolute" = "A moral rule which, when consistently applied, raises the vibrational frequency of one's spirit and thus allows one to make progress towards PUL and unity with God."  

These moral rules are more than beliefs; they are in principle falsifiable.  If spirits can be retrieved like a jailbreak without regard to an upgrade in their energetic make-up and can thereby comfortably flourish in a higher plane, then moral rules are meaningless.   Of course, if PUL is a key basis for progress and if the principle of like attracts like governs spiritual progress, then such jailbreak promotions are impossible.  

(3) "Evil" = "Any lifestyle, orientation, or action that lowers one's vibratory frequency, and separates one from the experience of God's grace and love."

(4) "Separation from God" = "A vibratory state in which one is incapable of experiencing PUL without loving intervention from outside one's astral plane."

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Don,

I agree with your definitions, but would like to expand a little more. 

Based on my experiences of contact with beings of light that radiate PUL, I would say that PUL is a state of being that seems best described as an essence.  This essence resides within our core and is the same state of PUL as that of our total being of which we are an aspect of. By this I mean that a total being can have varying degrees of purity, just as gold for example can have varying degrees of purity within its substance. 

Impurities could be described as disorganization within an entity's consciousness. An entity that has little disorganization within its consciousness is a purer essence of PUL at the core of its being and when this aspect is incarnate, it exhibits expressions similar to those of Christ, Buddha, etc. at the "higher" end of a scale.  At the other end of the scale, those entities with a lot of disorganization within their consciousness when incarnate exhibit expressions similar to those that are described as evil.

Love is the expression of better organization of consciousness and fear/ego is the expression of disorganization of consciousness. It is intent that changes the state of our core being essence. If our underlying reason or motivation for an action is loving we are changing our core being towards that of PUL.  If the motivation for an action stems from fear/ego we are inhibiting our spiritual growth at the core of our being.

The point of incarnating here or anywhere else is personal spiritual growth. The entire consciousness system seems to be designed to facilitate spiritual growth through a system of encouragement toward a higher quality PUL at the core of our being without us having to do anything other than follow the dictates of the rules and protocols that have evolved from and are built into the system. Morality would be one example having evolved from the consciousness system and continues to evolve as growth takes place.

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Reply #122 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 3:19am
 
Hi Kathy,

I am a little over halfway through reading Tom Campbell's "My Big TOE".  The thoughts in your post seem to come right from Campbell's theories as expressed in this book (our goal of personal spiritual growth = greater organization of consciousness, etc.).  Were your ideas influenced by Campbell or derived from completely different sources or experiences?

I've been reading various books, etc. and this forum, expanding my perspective and trying to make sense of all of it for myself.  I'm always curious how others who seem well along the path, such as yourself, have developed their thinking and beliefs.  I'm working on the personal experience part, having gone to Gateway Voyage and continuing to use the TMI CDs for regular practice, but I feel I'm still a novice at it all.

Thanks for any response you can provide,

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Reply #123 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 12:42pm
 
Hi Pat-

Your post brought to mind something I've always wondered about.

Specifically, to what extent our own beliefs are influenced by personal experiences or via reading.

I would guess a personal experience would spur lots of reading on the subject, but on the other hand lots of reading may or may not lead to personal experiences.

Maybe a poll on this would be interesting.

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Reply #124 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 2:21pm
 
I would rethink this one:
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(3) "Evil" = "Any lifestyle, orientation, or action that lowers one's vibratory frequency, and separates one from the experience of God's grace and love."


I don't think anyone here would consider an alcoholic or drug user to be evil because they are addicted to their substance of choice, and yet this lifestyle fits your definition perfectly. 

I believe evil is better defined as a lifestyle/belief system/action(s) which purposefully causes physical, emotional, or even spiritual harm to another individual(s).
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Reply #125 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 2:43pm
 
Hi Pat,

Yes, I have read TC's books and also participate on his forums occasionally. I think he puts everything together all in one source very well and I'm sure to a certain extent he has influenced my thinking and the ways in which I discuss things in recent months, though my understanding has come from many sources and 30 plus years of experience of the paranormal. TC's discussion of consciousness stems from understanding everything from the standpoint of consciousness and conscious evolution. Very useful indeed, although much of his theory can be understood from other sources as well. Threads of truth can be found in many, many sources, but understanding how consciousness works is paramount for growth in my opinion.

Organization of consciousness is basically a creative process through which we create our entire life experience. The creative energy from our core moves down through all of the interpenetrating levels (spiritual, mental, emotional, physiological) of our being on its way to the physical reality. In each level, our core essence is infused with the aspect of human life existing on that level. This can also be understood as the stream of consciousness from our Total Self that we are always connected to. It is a feedback process between our core essence and our physical experience. There is never any true separation. It's only because of the laws of physics that separation seems to occur. It is all happening (the exchange of information, sensory and otherwise) within our mind.

For example, the creative essence from our core being is infused with individual mind (our PMR self-awareness in TC's terms) and it is through the individual mind that we become self-aware. With focused conscious awareness we can use our perceptions to differentiate and integrate all of the information coming to us. This is how we gain clarity and understanding of ourselves and any situation we may be in. Once we have an understanding, we can then be appropriate with ourselves and any particular situation. Thus our interaction can stem from a loving intent and it is this loving intent that improves the quality of our personal being as well as core essence/total self and the entire system.

When differentiation, integration, clear understanding and appropriate being are not present we have what I call cross-purposes in our way of thinking and we are not able to create what we intended because of underlying fears. Clarifying our fears, understanding and facing them enables us to let go and get them out of our way so they don't continue to interfere with our clarity of thought. One of the biggest problems we all have is a propensity for rationalization where we use our reason to make up excuses or we tell ourselves stories of why not, which basically amounts to alibis and justifications to explain why we didn't accomplish what we wanted. Our reasons of why not help us to avoid something in ourselves that we are afraid of. Otherwise there would be no need for us to come up with reasons of why not in the first place.

Avoidance and denial serves to keep us away from our fear. But most important is that it keeps us disconnected from our core essence, which gives us the feeling of separation, which in turn creates more fear, like a vicious circle. However, we can turn that all around by finding our fear, facing it, which many times means allowing it to be felt instead of creating resistance in an attempt to avoid it. This process brings clarity and freedom from our internal tiger.  Smiley

Anyway, I guess I got a little long winded here, though I hope this helps.

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Reply #126 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 2:45pm
 
Dude- 'I believe evil is better defined as a lifestyle/belief system/action(s) which purposefully causes physical, emotional, or even spiritual harm to another individual(s)'

surely that would include any form of warfare which definately intends and causes physical harm to the enemy! I think defining evil is really tricky as it seems to end up as being defined as something other people are/do. I would tentatively go with something along the lines of a retardation or reluctance to spiritually grow/raise vibratory rate.
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Reply #127 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 3:21pm
 
Dude: "I would rethink this one:
(3) "Evil" = "Any lifestyle, orientation, or action that lowers one's vibratory frequency, and separates one from the experience of God's grace and love."

I don't think anyone here would consider an alcoholic or drug user to be evil because they are addicted to their substance of choice, and yet this lifestyle fits your definition perfectly."
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You have misread the definition; it does not imply that the alcoholic or drug user IS evil; only that the victimization of such lifestyle addictions can lower vibrational frequency and consign the addict to lower, even hellish reams based on the principle of like attracts like.  Moral value definitions are arbitrary unless they specify consequences--in this case, the experience of separation from God's love.  Whether the person with the evil lifestyle is himself evil is a separate issue that is relevant to the possibility and difficulty of retrievals from lower realms.    

I agree with heisenberg's objection to your alternate definition.

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Reply #128 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 3:41pm
 
I am speaking about the definition of evil that most people use today, not this new one that you invented.  The intent of the individual plays a big role in this classification, IMO.  An alcoholic is not necessarily trying to do harm to someone else, they are simply looking for an escape from an issue they refuse to deal with.  And yes, this separates them from God's love- but I wouldn't put them anywhere near the classification of someone who gets off on killing children.  I feel your definition needs to be a more specific.  I believe evil, as the term is used today, is more about the intent and purpose of the individual and how their actions directly affect the victims than it is the result of that individual's actions in the afterlife.  But then again, I am speaking of the common definition, not your altered one.   
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Reply #129 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 5:53pm
 
But Dude, my defenition reflects the standard Christian understanding of "evil."  The Greek word for "sin" means "to miss the mark" in a state of separation from God.  The experience of union with God is not something to be earned; it is the result of grace or unmerited favor.  Feelings of spiritual entitlement generate unctious pretense and invidious comparisons with the spirituality of others.  Love motivated by gratitude for God's acceptence leads to altruism performed from a sense of privilege rather than burdensome duty.  This insight is the heart of the grace-based life and thus the heart of the Christian Gospel.

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Reply #130 - Feb 27th, 2010 at 6:11pm
 
heisenberg69 wrote on Feb 27th, 2010 at 2:45pm:
Dude- 'I believe evil is better defined as a lifestyle/belief system/action(s) which purposefully causes physical, emotional, or even spiritual harm to another individual(s)'

surely that would include any form of warfare which definately intends and causes physical harm to the enemy! I think defining evil is really tricky as it seems to end up as being defined as something other people are/do. I would tentatively go with something along the lines of a retardation or reluctance to spiritually grow/raise vibratory rate.


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Reply #131 - Feb 28th, 2010 at 6:44pm
 
Howdy all, I was at a used book shop looking for some other stuff  when I wandered into the small metaphysical section. This old book sorta jumped out at me so I bought it! It was written by Rudolf Steiner(1861-1925). Google up his name in Wikipedia, it contains some great info on him, including in the 'Steiner & Christianity' section where he had a inner encounter with the Christ being which changed his life. What an interesting heavy dude he was! I added some parts from his book 'An outline of Occult Science'. Geez! I'm not looking forward to the first part of my death if what he says is true!

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"The first experiences after death are very different in still another respect from those during life. During the time of purification the human being, as it were, lives his life in reverse order. He passes again through all that he has experienced in life since his birth. He begins with the events which immediately preceded death and experiences everything in reverse order back to childhood. Thus everything passes spiritually before his eyes that has not arisen out of the spiritual nature of the ego during life, only he experiences all this now in reverse order. For example, a person who died in his sixtieth year and who in his fortieth year had done someone a bodily or soul injury in an outburst of anger will experience this event again when, in passing through his life's journey in reverse order after death, he reaches the time of his fortieth year. However, he now experiences not the satisfaction which he had in life from his attack upon the other person, but the pain which he gave him. From what has been said above, it is at the same time also possible to see that only a part of such an event can be experienced painfully after death. This part has arisen from passions of the ego which have their source only in the outer physical world. In fact, the ego not only damages the other person through the gratification of such a passion, but itself as well, only the damage to itself is not apparent during life. After death, however, this whole damaging world of passion becomes perceptible to it. And the ego then feels itself drawn to every being and every thing which has enkindled such a passion, in order that this passion may again be destroyed by the " consuming fire," in just the same way it was created. Only when the human being in his backward journey has reached the point of his birth have all the passions of this kind passed through the fire of purification,
and, from now on, nothing hinders him from a complete surrender to the spiritual world. He enters upon a new stage of existence. Just as, at death, he threw off the physical body, then, soon after, his ether body, so now that part of the astral body falls away which can live only in the consciousness of the outer physical world.
For supersensible perception there are, thus, three corpses : the physical, the etheric, and the astral corpse ; and the point of time when  the latter is thrown off by the human being is at the end of the period of purification which is about a third of the time which elapsed between birth and death. The reason why this is so can only become clear later on, when we shall have considered the course of human life from the standpoint of occult science. By means of supersensible perception, astral corpses may be seen constantly in the world surrounding man, which are discarded by people who are passing over from the state of purification into a higher existence, just as for physical perception there are corpses in the world in which men dwell.
After purification an entirely new state of consciousness begins for the ego. Whereas before death external images had to flow towards the ego, in order that the light of consciousness might fall upon them, now, as it were, a world flows from within and penetrates  to the consciousness. The ego lives in this world also between birth and death. There, however, this world is clothed in the manifestations of the senses ; and only there where the ego, taking no heed of all sense-perceptions, perceives itself in its innermost sanctuary, is that, which otherwise appears veiled by the sense world, revealed in its real form. Just as before death the self-perception of the ego takes place in its inner being, so after death and after purification the spirit world in all its fullness is revealed from within. This revelation, in fact, takes place immediately after the stripping off of the ether body. But, like a darkening cloud, the world of desire, which is still turned towards the outer world, pre­sents itself. It is as though dark demoniacal shadows, arising out of the passions " consuming themselves in fire," intermingled  with a blissful world of spiritual experience. Indeed these passions are now not mere shadows, but actual entities. This becomes at once apparent when the ego is deprived of the physical organs and can thus perceive what is of a spiritual nature. These creatures appear like distortions and caricatures of all that the human being knew through sense-perception.

Supersensible perception has this to say about the world of the purifying fire : it is inhabited by beings whose appearance for the spiritual eye can be gruesome and painful, whose pleasure seems to be destruction and whose passion is bent upon a spiritual evil, in comparison with which the evil of the sense world is insignificant. The passions which human beings bring into this world appear to these creatures as food by means of which their power receives con­stant refreshment and strength.
This picture, drawn from a world imperceptible to the physical senses, can appear less incredible if we for a moment observe a part of the animal world with unprejudiced eyes. For the spiritual eye, what is a cruel, prowling wolf ? What does it reveal to us through what our senses perceive? Nothing else than a soul that lives in desire and acts through desire. One can call the external form of the wolf an embodiment of these passions. And even if a person had no organs with which to perceive this form, he would still have to recognize the existence of a creature corresponding to it, if its passions were invisibly manifest in its actions ; if in fact a power, invisible to the eye, were prowling about, through which all those things could happen which happen through the visible wolf. The creatures of the purifying fire do not exist for sensible, but for supersensible consciousness only ; their activities, however, which consist in the destruction of the ego when it gives them this nourishment, are clearly revealed. These activities become clearly visible when what began as a normal pleasure increases to lack of moderation and excess.
For, even what is perceptible to the senses would attract the ego only in so far as the pleasure has its source in its own nature. The animal is impelled to desire in the outer world only by means of the cravings of its three bodies. The human being has higher enjoyments, because a fourth member, the ego, is added to the three bodily members. But if the ego seeks for a gratification which serves to destroy its own nature, not to maintain and further it, then such craving can be neither the activity of its three bodies, nor that of its own nature ; it can only be the activity of beings who, in their true form, remain hidden from the senses. They can set to work on the higher nature of the ego and arouse in it passions which have no relationship to sense existence, but which can only be satisfied through it. Beings exist who are nourished by desires and passions which are worse than any animal passions, because they do not
express themselves in the senses only, but seize upon the spiritual part and drag it down into the realm of the senses. The forms of such beings are, for supersensible perception, more hideous and gruesome than the forms of the wildest animals, in which are em­bodied only passions that originate in the sense world. The destructive forces of these beings exceed immeasurably all destructive fury which may exist in the visible animal world. Supersensible know­ledge must, in this way, enlarge the human horizon to include a world of beings which, in a certain respect, stand lower than the visible world of destructive animals."

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Reply #132 - Feb 28th, 2010 at 9:04pm
 
Wow.  That guy gives no level of grace whatsoever.  I can't believe you read all he wrote...even as much as you read would have been enough for me to close the book and take it back to where I bought it.  Fire and brimstone is actually more satisfying than that guy.

Imagine an afterlife that makes the greatest orgasm you have ever experienced pale in comparison to what you experience in every moment.
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Reply #133 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 12:14am
 
usetawuz wrote on Feb 28th, 2010 at 9:04pm:
Wow.  That guy gives no level of grace whatsoever.  I can't believe you read all he wrote...even as much as you read would have been enough for me to close the book and take it back to where I bought it.  Fire and brimstone is actually more satisfying than that guy.

Imagine an afterlife that makes the greatest orgasm you have ever experienced pale in comparison to what you experience in every moment.





So you don't masturbate, or have inner fantasy sexual images in your physical consciousness while sexually aroused in private? Or with your sexual partner in private union?? Keep Cool. Biker Chick.
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Reply #134 - Mar 1st, 2010 at 9:40am
 
Usetawuz- I bet you were'nt expecting that responce ! 

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