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Dec 4^th, 2005 at 9:06pm

I've browsed here for about a week and decided to post the reason I stumbled onto this site.

Unlike many who get here, I did not recently lose a family member. What happened was that last Monday, I let my mind wander and felt like what it would feel to not exist in ANY capacity after I die (I know it sounds a bit oxymoronic). I have been unable to get that thought out of my head and I've let it dominate my thoughts since then, leaving me in a consistent state of depression.
I've resigned myself to three solutions:
-Stop thinking about it (which has been really hard)
-Come to terms with the fact that this may be true, that when you die, that's it (which is really hard to do).
-Find proof of the afterlife (seemingly impossible).

I was just wondering if there was anyone else out there in the same boat as me, who has (or had at anytime) the same mindset as me.
Do you feel the techniques mentioned on this site will help at least relax me a little (I've had pretty consistent anxiety for a while)?

I've seen people here are pretty supportive... I would appreciate any help anyone can offer.

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Reply #1 - Dec 4^th, 2005 at 9:33pm

Cookies,nice to have you aboard.I can answer your question about if we live after death.I am able to go into the spirit world.A woman asked me to try to find her husband who had died of a heart attact,I did not know the man,and when I found him,he was crying.I asked him why and he said he cheated on his wife.He also told about a savings accound he had that she did not know about.2 weeks later I met his wife and asked her if her husband ever cheated on her.She told me yes,right up to the day he died.She also found the savings accound that she did not know about.Hope that answers your questions about is there life after death.Love George

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Reply #2 - Dec 4^th, 2005 at 9:35pm

Cookies,

Your fear is actually a not uncommon reason people join this forum. And you've come to a good place.

I used to have the same fear of death. It drove
me crazy. What got rid of the fear for me at first
was reading some good literature on the topic.

One place you can start is Victor Zammit's site.
http://www.victorzammit.com
He covers a wide range of proofs of the afterlife
from near-death experiences to mediums.

Bruce Moen's site specializes in the "Find out for yourself" method which is important because you can never be completely sure about what you read. The find out for yourself method may take some time. But it is definitely worth it and a lot of fun.

-mike

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Reply #3 - Dec 4^th, 2005 at 10:01pm

I wouldn't say that most people started at this message board because of recent loss. I didn't.

You situation is normal and nothing to worry about. You are having these feelings for a reason.

You have taken the first step towards KNOWLEDGE, not just belief, and for that you should take comfort in the fact that you are willing to step forward, ask for help and learn, which, not so surprisingly, most people can't or won't do.

The study of these matters is best done thru personal experience, looking for a preponderance of the evidence, and developing your intuition. As you learn more you will stay within the bounds of reality, but your understanding of reality will widen.

Right now I will ask you to proceed with simple trust and let things unfold. Don't rush. This not a cult or religious group and there are no requirements or anything to prove. Nobody here is going to try to convert you to anything.

For a good second step, I'm asking you to take a leap of faith and imagine you really do have guides (or guardian angels if that is easier for you) and ask for their assistance. Don't worry if you feel you don't believe with a deep conviction. It doesn't matter. Either you will get help or you won't. But you will, and you will notice it at some point. But first you have to ask, and be patient and observant.

The next step I would suggest is to gather as much material for study as you can. Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen's books are a good place to start.

Like learning anything new, you will be confused for a while as you assimilate new concepts and vocabulary, and form your own constantly changing conclusions. That's ok.

Another thing I would ask you to do in another leap of faith to assist with learning is to focus on love, the most pure and unconditonal love you are capable of imagining. Don't worry if it doesn't seem pure or unconditional enough. It doesn't matter. Along with that and equally necessary, is to banish fear. Fear and love cannot coexist in the same place at the same time. That doesn't mean let your guard down; love isn't stupid or gullible. But we are taught fear from birth and in order to understand the highest form of love we need to control and get rid of our fear. Don't worry if your efforts are not good enough. Nothing about this is a test and you are not going to burn in hell if you don't do any of this correctly. The reasons I ask you to focus on love is something you will come to the full realization of as you proceed.

Another thing I would keep in mind is that life is not all about the Afterlife. If that were so you would not be here. You would have stayed there. There are other things to worry about so maintain your balance and don't get too caught up in this. Yes, it's about life and death so it's important, but so is living.

Ask your guides for help, focus on love, banish fear, and proceed with simple trust and let things unfold.

with Love,
Bob

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Reply #4 - Dec 4^th, 2005 at 11:01pm

Dear Cookies,

The tough standards exemplified by your despairing questions illustrate the heart-breaking ruthless honesty required to find the elusive truth.
It is a quest well worth pursuing, but,sadly, not one for which that you will find fulfilment on this site. The gullibility manifested on this site is all-too-human, but an irreparable barrier to honest inquiry. Here you will find a reincarnation of St. Peter himself, a grandiose illusion paralleled by mass past life regressions which, in studies, have produced several Napoleons. Here you will find stolid devotees of descredited New Age kooks like Robert Monroe and Edgar Cayce, astral explorers who have produced some occasionally impressive results and technologies that deflect censure away from their ultimately discrediting absurdities.

So what is the way out of this depressing array of naive New Age wishful thinking? I would suggest three mind-boggling trail-blazers that at least hold real promise: (1) David Fontana's book, "Is There an Afterlife? A Comprehensive Survey of the Evidence": (2) Howard Storm's "My Descent into Death," the most impressive NDE of all time, rich with subtle insights that can be historically verified in impressive ways. (3) William Van Dusen's "The Presence of Other Worlds," a survey of the unparalleled astral discoveries and astounding verifications of Emanuel Swedenborg, the father of spiritualism and modern astral projection. On these and other insights I encourage private messages.

Don

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Touching Souls Super Member Offline LOVE IS ALL, SHINE YOUR LIGHT THAT OTHERS MAY SEE Posts: 1966 Metaline Falls, WA Gender:	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #5 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 12:09am Oh Donald, you're so funny. ROFLOL And so frickin' wrong, but you'll find out someday. St. Peter at your service Cookie. With Love, Mairlyn
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Reply #6 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 1:35am

Hi Cookies-

Sounds like you've just opened the door to spirituality.

Might I suggest a slightly different phrasing of your question?

Is it possible for you to cease totally to exist, and if so, how?

This kind of thinking requires consideration of such issues as everything youve done that has affected the world in which you live, the people with whom you interact, and the forces for chage that you have set in motion. If you carry through with the questioning and discovery that your initial question suggested, especially with a slightly wider scope, I suspect that it will take you to a new place in which the bother will cease, and you'll get something valuable back.

dave

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cookies Ex Member	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #7 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 8:57am Thank you for all your responses, including the brutally honest ones If I can, I'll keep you posted on my progress.
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Reply #8 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 9:27am

There may be some kookie people on this site, but so what? There are people with experience and good intentions here. Too many to name, although some of my favorites - you know who you are. People who have explored and traveled and used their consciousness.

I am one of the first to say I don't trust someone else's experience or a channeled entity. Or Cayce - Jeez everyone during his day was giving enemas, and everyone was hypothesizing in the news about Atlantis (Cayce no doubt was aware of this) - and that is what we hear from him. Enemas and Atlantis. Jeez. Justin, that is NOT directed at you.

However, I am interested in consciousness, the ultimate expression of our being. The "I am" in all of us. In the old testament and Hebrew, when God called out to man, his answer was henaynee (in hebrew). Here "I" am. This is what it is about. This is what makes us who we are. If consciousness (awareness) were a fluke, created by a physical set of neurons in our brain, it might cease to be when the brain died. If, however, consciousness exists on its own, but uses our bodies as vehicles of expression in this reality, then dying is like a snake shedding skin - the consciousness existed within the body - then without.

Near death and out of body experiences are among the best verification one can get. So are healings by intention, prayer or faith. But nothing will satisfy your thirst for information but experience. Intellectual understanding may come first, but it is not the same as knowing. If George or Bob on this site has had experience with someone passed on - they know. They don't have to wonder.

I have not had verification from the dead as yet, and I suppose that is because I have not been looking for it in particulr. But I have seen my consciousness have an impact on the day to day world that would seem impossible to cause without having a deeper connection to everything. I plan to post more about this.

So read on at this site, explore for yourself, and take your time doing it. Try on new ideas like they were clothes, and discard the ones that don't fit.
You will get where you want to be.

Matthew

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Reply #9 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 1:34pm

Hey cookies.

Just wanted to offer my support and wishing you good luck on your new journey. It is sad to think that we may not exsist after death, and i know how depressing that can be, but maybe im just in a happy mood but if this is the case, we ain't gonna know right so better make the most of it!

However I have and many others here, in fact most of the board and had proof, experiences which has prooven otherwise, and like people have said here sadly (but not really in the long run) you have to find these out for yourselfs.

I didn't come here from a recent loss either but somehow managed to get hooked and starting walking down this road and what a long way I have relised i have come and have seen others come as well, some i can see are already so far down this path they seem like ants! we have a good mixture here and all here for everyone to help and to joke and to discuss so good luck and ask anything you want and please share your journey!

Ryan

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Reply #10 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 2:51pm

Hello Cookies:

I echo much of what Rob Roy said. Once you've worked with you're guidance for a while, it's hard to doubt the existence of the afterlife. Ask your higher self to set you up, and enjoy the ride. I've done so, and now have absolutely no reason to fear death, even though I used to fear it.

I sought experience as opposed to a belief system (been there, done that), and I am very happy with what I've found.

Don't let Beserk bug you. He's like a guy who has "never" tried eating cookies and milk, commenting that it sucks to do so.

Or you could believe that he's right, and everybody else on this forum is just a confused and perhaps beguiled cult member.

Probably the best thing to do is to find out for yourself. Just give it a little time, and you'll be pleasantly surprised with what you find. But watch out for the fearmongers who try to runaway from their fears, by passing them on to others. "Oh," if only they'd humble themselves for a moment, so they could see how much they harm people.

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cookies Ex Member	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #11 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 4:06pm I appreciate all responses, even Berserk's. I haven't been able to function in the last week, I hope I can get up the motivation to start trying some techniques, for no other reason than to make myself feel better.
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Reply #12 - Dec 5^th, 2005 at 7:30pm

Recoverer,

Clairvoyance once prompted me to announce to a group of Education professors that their colleague, Elie, had just been contacted by her dead husband Joe. An investigator present confirmed the fulfilment of my prediction. Elie saw a vivid apparition of Joe while she was riding in her son's car. The apparition occurred during the first time since the funeral that the family had been able to erupt in laughter. Joe was laughing too and said, "I'm just fine. That's the way I like to see you all." I have discerned such communication on various occasions and asked the loved one about it to help confirm the genuineness of the contact.

I've publicly predicted an impending supernatural experience that turned out to be the independent materialization and dematerialization of two mothers' rings to their sons. The two mothers had been dead for several years. So this fulfilled prophecy profoundly inspired all who heard it.

I've experienced an audible voice warning me not to drive through a green light when my view of the intersecting street was obstructed by parked trucks. A huge truck barrelled through the red light and would have crashed into me, if "the voice" had not warned me. An angelic warning?

My death premonitions have always proved true. For example, one Friday, I suddenly knew that someone would die and that his death would require me to change my summer vacation plans. That Monday, I was about to leave my apartment when an inner voice shouted, "Sit down! You're going to hear about the death right now!" The split second I sat down, the phone rang and I was informed of a professor's sudden death. The caller told me that I was the only faculty around who could teach his course off the cuff. My prior psychic preparation inspired me to promptly change my plans and accept this assignment.

These are just some of the many examples of contact with spiritual dimensions that I could share. So Recoverer, don't make ignorant assumptions about people you don't know who threaten your New Age views. I have probably had as many well-verified contacts with spiritual dimensions as anyone on this site. On the other hand, the meaning of my paranormal experiences must be subjected to critical scrutiny, especially given the gullibility of so many New Agers. I believe my contacts are genuine, but am always open to attempts to explain them away naturally. Honesty requires that, since the stakes are so high. And I'd like experience a genuine OBE to measure against my bogus OBE experiences.

Don

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Reply #13 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 12:55am

Quote:

I've browsed here for about a week and decided to post the reason I stumbled onto this site.

Unlike many who get here, I did not recently lose a family member. What happened was that last Monday, I let my mind wander and felt like what it would feel to not exist in ANY capacity after I die (I know it sounds a bit oxymoronic). I have been unable to get that thought out of my head and I've let it dominate my thoughts since then, leaving me in a consistent state of depression.
I've resigned myself to three solutions:
-Stop thinking about it (which has been really hard)
-Come to terms with the fact that this may be true, that when you die, that's it (which is really hard to do).
-Find proof of the afterlife (seemingly impossible).

I was just wondering if there was anyone else out there in the same boat as me, who has (or had at anytime) the same mindset as me.
Do you feel the techniques mentioned on this site will help at least relax me a little (I've had pretty consistent anxiety for a while)?

I've seen people here are pretty supportive... I would appreciate any help anyone can offer.

Hi cookies,.....................perhaps the most important aspect of 'being' is being itself - your own self-existence as it now is. Your existence now is its own testimony to intelligence, a living awareness or consciousness - this being-ness or 'mind' cannot end with the death of the physical body if it can be proved that the souls existence or spiritual self-hood exists independent of the physical body, even having pre-eixstence before incarnation and continuation in the after-life. From my research there is more evidence that life continues after death than that it ends at that point. 'Death' is just a transition of the spirit, the shedding of the mortal/matter-ial body. The soul in its spiritual form is released into the spirit-world there to continue its eternal progression.

When you see death as nothing but a change of residence and a 'transition' of the soul into the next dimension, also knowing that the nature of God is only Pure Unconditional Love....your fears will begin to fade as you rest in the sure foundation of divine Reality which is the Eternal Soul of the Living God(The ONE). This 'God-Presence' is the Only Life, Light, Love, Spirit that Exists....and the real 'you' is born of this LIFE as the very spirit and mind of the Eternal dwells in you and is the very reason you have existence and consciousness! Therefore your very 'being' has in it the divine potential for infinite and eternal life. Since God is Love.....there is nothing at all to fear.

Besides Victor Zammits site (awesome!) is another mega-resource - http://www.near-death.com/

Both these sites are the bomb.

At last....your own soul as it is honest and diligent to seek out truth and spiritual reality...thru research, prayer and open-ness to the LIGHT will only naturally awaken your own true self-hood as that eternal creation or part of God in your own being and this will bear witness with all other supporting proofs that you have within you the potential and seed of eternal life and a future that has no end.....for that which is infinite is just that!
Your very being is rooted, sourced, origined and upheld by divine BEING as there is no other source existing besides the ONE. Consider the wonder, majesty, beauty of your own existence as a unique creation/son of this Infinite Life who fathers/mothers you from moment to moment. As you surrender to Truth, Reality, 'God'.....there is only Love, Light, Life, Eternity, All, Abundance, Infinity.

paul

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DocM Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2168	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #14 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 7:32am The only to be sure about that, Damla is to have personal experience or knowledge of that. For those who do, there is no other proof or logic that they need. Matthew
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