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Reply #15 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 8:40am

Don-

Yes, you are correct in pointing out how many people, when they are regressed into so-called past lives, come up with such characters as Napoleon or Cleopatra or Abraham Lincoln. The reason for this, as any clinical psychologist knows, is that our ego demands that we have lived as someone famous or even infamous. Far more rewarding to our ego to be Napoleon himself than to be Napoleon's janitor.

Of course, it's just not those folks with large egos who tend to believe they were famous folks in past lives. It's also those with egos which have been beaten down in this life who are vulnerable to this delusion. Someone whose self esteem is low, or whose self worth has suffered, is far more likely to see him or herself as an important historical figure than someone who is psychologically and emotionally healthy.

The bottom line is to be extremely skeptical of anyone who claims to be someone famous in a past life. Chances are almost 100% that it's really an attempt by their ego to make themselves something they have never been in their present life.

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Reply #16 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 8:55am

Damla,

I actually never used the general phrase "god is love." That being said, I don't think of it in those terms. I believe we all have a spark or essence of divinity within us. We all are, in a sense him looking out, and gathering experiences in conscious awareness.

If one can encounter the sum total of the little consciousnesses out there is a totality, that would be God. I believe that no one could comprehend such an entity, but I have heard it said that people had encounters in NDEs with white light and the lord......I just don't know.

I definitely think you are right if you are talking of a being with a long flowing beard who is responsible for every decision that is made. There you will never find justice, or love. But that is not my idea of him.

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Reply #17 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 9:27am

If you didn't have such a cute smile on the photo you posted, I might be insulted. No, I do think that topics such as "god is love," can only be approached through personal experience. And, no I have not met the almighty personally. Likewise, I don't think he/she exists as a single human-like entity.

My idea is that we all have a spark of divinity in us, and that our being/essence/soul is part of god. I think that when we realize that we share a common unity of spirit, that there is a desire to help each other. I don't think life in this plane of existence is fair, but I don't think that disproves the idea that love may be what ties us together and would also be what god is about.

You are trying to make judgements and sense based on societal norms of "good and evil," and that is natural for us to do. We may see whether these judgements have merit only when we have reached the next plane of existence or have sufficient contact with it. Some on this board claim that they do/have had this contact. For them, they have argued on these boards, that the seemingly awful experiences on earth have a purpose and merit, and that through the suffering, these souls advance.

Matthew

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DocM Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2168	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #18 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 9:43am So, that is why we and others are here. That is why people go to the Monroe institute, and meditate. To explore and try to understand more about our true nature and perhaps love.
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Rob_Roy Super Member Offline Posts: 539 New Hampshire, USA Gender:	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #19 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 10:32am Doc, Not all of us can afford to go to TMI. Some of us can't even afford the CD's. It's very frustrating. Bob
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DocM Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2168	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #20 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 10:58am I merely used TMI as an example. We are all here to explore one way or another. Knowledge of God's love can only come from exploring and experience. One can gain knowledge from books, quiet meditation, and interactions with others. It doesn't have to be TMI. Matthew
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Reply #21 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 11:10am

Beserk:

There are plenty of people who have psychic ability, but don't have wisdom.

On the other hand, there are plenty of people who don't have psychic ability, but do have lots of wisdom.

Anybody who has wisdom and a clear eye, could easilly see this.

Therefore, if you predicted who is going to win the World Series and Super Bowl for the next 20 years, I wouldn't be impressed.

I go by the things that you say on you're posts. They sing out loud and clear where you're coming from.

P.S. I'm not impressed with Swendenborg's alleged psychic ability. I am unimpressed with his silly notion that people have two negative spirits assigned to them. What a bunch of hooey. I can't imagine why any clear thinking person would choose to believe such a thing.

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recoverer Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 5027 Gender:	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #22 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 11:45am Beserk: One other thing. Why is it that you don't seem to trust that people who choose to visit this site, have the ability to determine for themselves whether or not it is for them? You seem to give them very little credit. Do you really believe that they need you to come here and play the role of their savior?
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Reply #23 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 1:13pm

Recoverer,

Kindly season your penchant for bluster with a modicium of rigor. You insinuated that I lack experience with spiritual dimensions. I exposed your crass presumption with several personal experiences and now your feelings are bruised. So to save face, you only make matters worse and extend your need to caricature challenging alternatives that you apparently find threatening.

But you are wrong. Swedenborg never claimed that we are all "assigned" two negative and two positive spirits. He learned something far more profound: that the principle of like attracts like is not postponed till the afterlife. Our drives, likes, and dislikes are multi-faceted and evolving. "ES learned by direct astral experience that the identity and quality of our "outflows" from discarnate spirits vary as our moods expand and change and as they become more selfish or more loving. With this evolution, the number and quality of connected spirits also changes. This insight is independently supported by OBE adept Robert Bruce, a New Ager far more gifted and insightful than Robert Monroe.

True wisdom gives investigative priority to positions supported by the best verifications. ES repeatedly demonstrated an unmatched skill at contacting the dead and bringing back astounding verifications. No one even comes close to him in this gift. Does that mean that his insights are infallible? Of course not! And as I mentioned in the last post on my ES thread, I will soon post my critique of ES.

But if you compare ES to a modern adept like Robert Monroe, you are shifting your focus from a spiritual giant to a New Age kook. Monroe does not even anticipate that any rational person would be aghast at his alleged past life recall: e.g. his past life as an ancient pilot flying a machine while being forced to dodge the spears of primitive cave men; his past life with his wife Nancy in which Catholic priests supposedly order him to ritually rape her in an initiation test. Anyone who would peddle that science-fiction swill can be dismissed as a New Age kook. Granted that Monroe sometimes registers some impressive "hits" when his OBE abilities are tested. But his more significant "misses" call into question the genuineness of his contacts with higher entities. Still, I recognize that even Monroe might have something to teach me. So I practice with his Gateway CDs, though I would not recommend them to anyone else. Truth must seek to build a secure foundation on the best verified evidence, and in this regard, critical engagement with ES and the best of NDEs is a far better starting point than immersion in mindless New AGe orthodoxy.

Don

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Reply #24 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 1:30pm

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i am doomed!..i am gonna live here for ages and take a look at this board once in a while and see nothing ever changes and will die asking the same questions ??? Cry

this is soooo sad.. i cant even say and believe"god is love!" i rather believe that the whole thing is like game of some sort. (i am gonna go and cry and mourn and find many other nice reasons to feel pathetic)
see you soon

Hi Damla,

The statement that 'God is Love, Light, Spirit, Truth, etc.' are indeed words - these have been used from the beginning of time and written history(scripture, mans experience that could be written down) and in his own experience with God as being the essence of these very things and more. It comes down to coming to discover/know/intuit the very nature of God for ourselves in subjective experience of the all-pervading truth of divine Reality, the Absolute, the One, the All. This Truth is ever-present albiet obscured only by the barriers of mortal sense/ego. One can carry misperceptions in his own limited human, finite, mortal senses about 'God' if he/she is viewing 'God' or trying to find him in the realm of the 5 physical senses - that which is limited only to the matter-ial realm(seen thru physical eyes)....because God is more than this relative matter-ial realm...being the Invisible, Eternal, Infinite ONE who upholds, sustains the very fabric of Existence Itself, the Totality of All That Is. Since Deity is All,.......he is greater than what our mortal perception could ever fathom or imagine...and such glimpse/experience of this all-pervading Love which is the source/origin of our own being must be spiritually realized and revealed to the heart/soul of one who is open to the unfolding of Truth. Gods Being IS. It is Absolute. That God is Love....is attested to by many who have experienced this reality and such has been witnessed by those who have received the Holy Spirit of God....which is the Spirit of Truth and Love which awakens the soul to the supremacy/ultimacy of divinity. This spiritual reality of who/what God is is Self-evident for those whose eyes/hearts have been opened to It....primarily in my experience of what Christ taught and how this living Christ-presence-wisdom has touched and transformed thousands of lives since His Incarnation. - Of course other religious traditions, scriptures and the seal of human experience proves that Love is at the heart of all creation and all beings as that sacred light-presence which we know in our souls as it is shared with others - which empowers, enlightens, encourages, renews, refreshes the human spirit and inspires the virtures of holy concern, giving, sharing, helping, doing good to others, compassion, integrity and so many other endowments that can only come from the Core-Light of who/what God Is.....as this light/love is shared amongst us as the only thing holy, good, true and beautiful.

These are of course all lovely words as this soul tries to articulate them in his own fashion relative to his own perception/knowledge and experience. I can only share what comes thru at any given time and let truth be truth and allow such to be discerned by the heart/soul, as to what is true and what is false or mere fantasy. Let each discern, discover and explore for himself the Reality of Truth(God) which is the Primal Love and Original Beauty that is the One and Only Source of all goodness. This presence is here.....Now....and pervades the entirety of the Universe...worlds without end.

The Light, Love, Truth and Spirit of the ONE, the All shall be revealed in time to those who are awakened to the Source of all being and beauty.
Perception may be more or less perfect or clear of our vision of 'God' as we progress along the path of our unfoldment....but such will turn to purer knowledge as we grow in grace and Light of the One becomes more clear to our souls as to its very nature and Will.....which transcends the phenomenas and apparent 'evils' of this relative, finite existence including all in its infinite embrace. Sure there may be many 'holes' to fill as you point,......but shall not these holes be filled as one comes to understand and see the reasons, purposes, and even the mysteries of why God the Whole allows the anomolies of evil, tragedy and suffering on earth to transpire? - with surrender to the Light will not these questions be answered in their own time as one seeks after the Heart-Will of the ONE and allows His answers to come to the searching soul in the timing of divine Providence? I hold to the words of the Master who said, 'ask, seek and knock......and you will be ultimately satisfied if you are diligent/serious in your quest for knowledge, love, truth, wisdom - whatever God has for you to come into as your own divine inheritance.

Finally we see that without the revelation of Gods Love revealed thru the Christ (the universal light/logos/word/wisdom) on this planet and Love being at the heart and purpose of our very beings....this life will indeed be without the supporting helps and inspiration of grace - but you do see that Love(and it integrity) is the only thing that keeps this crazy world sane and wholesome...inspiring hope and the revelation of 'God' in the hearts of men and in all the world...sustaining what is good and worthy in our lives. Without Love....existence would be bleak, barren, hopeless. But since Love is at the Heart of Existence....because the Creator-Source is 'Love'....Love is our only salvation and the Only Way which is eternal Life, peace, harmony and perpetual joy as long as one has existence. So....it comes down to Love. You can choose to ignore, defend a different picture of God that you see with your limited vision, but ultimately the Reality of 'God' cannot be dismissed or forever obscured for what is Absolute is undeniable, irrefutable and eternally victorious.

So I'm an optimist! Love is our only sanity. (before you fall back to the egos defense mechanisms and mortal protests to all that seems unloving and cruel in the world....stop for a few moment and simply reflect on the majesty of Love as Supreme. Let God be God....in the silent sanctuary of your own heart.) - I know there are many metaphysical quirks and 'why's about this and that - all the turmoil and problems of humanity round about....but these are mans own miscreations and imperfections. The Perfection of Gods Love is untainted, pristine and eternally True.

paul

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Reply #25 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 2:02pm

Beserk:

You didn't answer my question. Are people capable of deciding for themselves if this site has something to offer, or do they need you to save them from the alleged quackery "YOU" see here? If you avoid this question again, it says a lot about where you're coming from.

Even if Swedenborg did contact the dead, this in no way proves that he had wisdom.

In the end only a person's experience proves anything. And a lot of my experience matches up with what Moen and Monroe have found. What they say doesn't become untrue, simply because "YOU" haven't found what they've found.

News bulletin:
"Hey everybody, Beserk hasn't found what Moen, Monroe and others have found, so they must be wrong."

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Reply #26 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 2:15pm

No recoverer, everyone, except you, first consults me to see if their insights past muster. Then after my critique, they go ahead and post, but do so in fear and trembling that I may disapprove. I forbid all posters to think for themselves, and when I die, no one will ever again glimpse the truth. ??? Recoverer once again, your insinuation is psychotic and betrays a spiritual quest gone amuck and utterly devoid of the love you pretend.

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Tim F. Ex Member	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #27 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 2:42pm Hey Recoverer, Don often says interesting things and sometimes displays real kindness. He also often likes to bait people. We all post here for a variety of reasons. I guess variety is the spice of life... Tim
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DocM Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 2168	Re: Newbie - Worry Reply #28 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 2:46pm I like Don's posts too. I think they show real intelligence. I'll debate anyone on the issues, as long as they stick to the issues. Matthew
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Reply #29 - Dec 6^th, 2005 at 3:04pm

What's calling people a bunch of culties, and continually putting down Moen and Monroe so you can pedal your own gurus instead, got to do with intelligent/on course conversation (not to suggest that Moen and Monroe are/were gurus)?

To me doing the above is more about being disrespectfull than intelligent. If Beserk was really intelligent, he'd find a way around the psychological conditioning that prevents him from seeing what Moen and Monroe did, and he'd learn a thing or two about being respectful.

Some people might suggest that it's good to be tolerant, but how long can you entertain a person who clearly doesn't care about anybody's views but his own, and is so ARROGANT, he continually believes that he can be disrespectful over and over again. What if a guy wanted to walk into your church everyday and take a dump? Would you tolerate it?

I say not.

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I like Don's posts too. I think they show real intelligence. I'll debate anyone on the issues, as long as they stick to the issues.

Matthew

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