Perhaps a cure for Antisocial Personality Disorder would go a long way towards fixing this problem. I don't suppose the powers that be would send someone with the inspiration to 'discover' one?

Bob

No doubt about it, some of the more severe torture methods like hot oil, human meat grinders, Iron Maiden etc... would be some very extreme Karma.

Some food for thought:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_Personality_Disorder#Potential_Warning_S...

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 Thats very interesting what you say about China...  Cayce made a prophecy about China eventually becoming the cradle of true Christianity as it is applied in the lives of humankind.....meaning that each person would live for the other and the collective and not so much for self...

 They've been such a suppressed and repressed people, i think there is going to be a very powerful though silent inner revolution....a spiritual revolution, which is underway amongst the "common" people of China....

 My aunt is from China, and she is a U.S. Ambassador, and the humility, kindness, and Christianity as applied in her life, is a real example...  Not that i believe or know if she believes in "Jesus", but how she treats others exemplifies this way....

 This is strong in China (not the gov. there obviously) amongst these poor of poor, and I believe Cayce is very right, China will lead a Spiritual Revolution....perhaps through primarily the Buddhist path....   You're right, they have the strength, the self discipline, and the sense of balance to do this, and it seems the growth of the desire, and the right belief system is there....

 My very psychic Fiance Becky, had a very interesting dream about us being in future China after the breakdown, and that there was a different energy source being used by humans, as well as contacts with various E.T. species (one which was actually interested in our energy source!?)...

 My Fiance has some kind of strong karmic connection with China, with lifetimes there, influencing her here...

I'm not sure about me, but when i was young, very young, and i couldn't sleep, i would get this image in my head of this Chinese (or Tibetan?) man in ancient ceremonial dress banging a large gong rythmically, and i would get very, very relaxed and fall asleep...

 Had this happen for a few years, but don't know if it was because of a lifetime then, or if this was a guide helping out who had a lifetime there....

Horrendous torture of alleged terrorists??  Yes, our troops have subjected them to some pretty humiliating treatment, but I'd much rather have a leash put on my neck than to have it slowly sawed off by a dull knife.  And I would much rather be a prisoner of the U.S. than of Al Qaeda.  Maybe you could describe some examples of the "horrendous torture."

Where is your outrage for the Nick Bergs and Danny Pearls of the world?  Why is it that the same people who eagerly criticize the U.S. are silent when it comes to the really atrocious savagery that our sworn enemies do all the time?

Seems like a clear case of double standard to me.

Hi again-
My personal takeon all this comes from studying our fundamental needs for creativity and self-direction, all of which require that we do nothing that is self-contradictory, because self-contradictory activities lead to events that we later classify as "bad karma". (As my grandkids would put it, "Duh.") As an example, to treat others as one own self leads to others reciprocating, treating us in a cooperative and empathic manner. Treating others as if they have nothing to do with our own selves leads to being treated as valueless, so that differences are handled in a manner similar to removal of rocks in the road, unemotionaly, and with no regard for the rocks themselves. This is more or less the reason that violence begets violence.

There are three general areas in which this is important. One is interaction with the surrounding world and our feelings toward the world. The second is our attitude toward doing things, selection of things to do, prioritization of activities etc. The third is the degree of universality of our awareness, the  logic and rationality by which we interpret and form judgements, and the relative weighting we give to transitory  as compared to eternal values. (We can read precisely the same thing in Lao Tze's classic Tao Te Ching, just expressed a little differently in the slokas.)

These principles are actually principlpes of logic that can be expressed in symbolic form, so that it can be shown that we minimize problems by optimizing our interactions with reality. At the same time, it can be equally shown that we create problems by any maladaptive choices. These ideas are exactly the same as bind a criminal when making a decision, 'Should I report my corporation's earnings honestly, or have the bokkeeper juggle the figures?" The urge for immediate relief from anxiety and stress (thanatos in Freudian terms) and the urge for increase access to pleasure and hedonic gratification (eros) will always be with us. What we add by learning is the realization that we can live in a manner in which it is possible to wholly avoid future karmic disruptions, so that we find it useful to avoid killing our neighbors, and so on. At the end of this process of self-purification is a state of mind in which we still have problems, but all of them can be resolved without causing us pain or regret, fear or alienation, confusion or useless side trips. (I have a book on psychopathology that hopefully will be out this year, that goes into excruciating mathematical detail to demonstrate that this is simply logic. There's no mystery to it.)

In a practical sense, if Chinese authorities, already well primed in Taoism and Dzogchen, choose to apply absolute long term logic, as opposed to short term optimization, to the processes of government, they will eventually reach the same conclusions.

This is not a new idea. Our Founding Fathers embodied these same ideas into their initial concepts of morality from which our own Constitution initially arose. Unfortunately, we have since strayed from idealism into "realpolitik", which is an euphamistic expression for short term optimization to obtain maximal immediate gratification, in hoipes that the next Admninistration can pick up the pieces and handle the resulting mess.

As awareness evolves, these basic ideas will evolve along with it. Torture, the deliberate production of the greatest possible discomfort, will then be seen as what it actually is - the head end of the dog is biting its own tail and can't figure out why that doesn't make that pain in its backside stop. In the meantime, we all get to watch the sleazy apologists from the Inspector General's Office offer the same excuses to show that we are exempted from the rules of human decency as exprssed in the various Geneva Conventions, as were offered by every criminal and dictator when the same question was posed.

I look to Buddhism in China because of the nearly exact parallels with communist theory. Buddhists give their belongs to one another because of loving kindness and joy. Communist citizens give up their possessions to others because of coercion and mortal fear. At the same time, one of the lessons of the catastrophic  "Great Leap Forward" is that old values may have to come into question and be reinterpreted to make them work out. The concept of "revisionism" is thus being replaced by the notion of "creative progress". The people are already being fed a Party Line that gives lip service to precisely these ideas - who knows, maybe they'll believe what they hear and put these ideas into practice. That would indeed fulfil Cayce's prophecy.

dave

I am somewhat a cynical person by nature, but I truly believe that no nation is innocent. However, some need a little bit more help than others.

China is not going to change RIGHT NOW, not without a very, very bloody war. However, the people of China will find the strength in themselves someday to do what is right, to be what is right for themselves. All we can do until then is speak peacefully against the abuse and encourage nonviolent resolutions quietly from the sidelines. That is all that we can do.

But what do you do when they haven't been raised that way? Being free and recognizing what freedom and respect are does not protect you from being attacked.

I've never understod why trying to be nice puts one at such a disadvantage but it does.