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Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 3:05pm
 
Alysia,

I admire you for attempting to articulate the unspeakable. That's gotta be tough.

This is the first time I've heard of someone attracting a JW lover! Oh my god! Now I've heard it all!

I bonked heads with JW's one time in particular, challenging their beliefs. That just resulted in them sending their heavy artillery in trenchcoats and carring briefcases to come and handle me (which they couldn't). I was unfailingly polite and respectful to them. But I was naive back then to think I could convince them of anything. Not that I knew better than them, I just read more and knew what questions no one could answer by proof-texting the Bible. Clash of belief systems and a statemate.

I am still learning to let go of Ego. Thanks.

Best of luck for your book.

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Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 4:34pm
 
Hi Kathy,
thinking about your and Monroe's system, I remembered what multi-facetted experiences I had listening Focus 21 HemiSync (and without listening when I thought I've learned the trick enough):

1. A place to meet the higher self, in my case it was a gathering of ghostly looking beings in a kind of sports stadium, they then came towards me, looked at me and went by. Two of them introduced themselves as speakers of my higher self. This place is obviously connected to other places to meet the higher self, as in Focus 27 I can go upwards to do it.

2. A place of energy exchange and energy blending. There's not only energy coming from "above" but also from "aside", meaning extraterrestrian life systems. Symbollically (I think) I got a picture of a huge spaceport. There was a hall with many holes which are gates to other worlds. Much work is done to control energy levels and harmonisation, I saw what looks like an enormous mixing table for music, but was to adjust the energy flow of everything on earth. There were holograms of people which signs what they were in need of.

3. There is an invisible but still recognized border around the earth. Only beings with permission can cross this border. Once they did, they will incarnate. I saw this once from close distance, a ghostly being was getting permission, then the being at the counter grabbed the other one, kinda folded it together so it became a little glowing sphere, threw it behind where other beings identified it and sent it to the right place down to earth. This little multi-colored glowing sphere to me looked like a sweet innocent baby!

4. There is what I call "The Human Embassy", a little-village-like place where a human-looking guy gave me some advice where to go to and how.

5. The atmosphere when I arrive at Focus 21 usually is windy, grey, sense of movement and flow all around. Also there is an infinite area of high mountains. Helpers did tell me several times that all I see is symbolic but still appropriate, as long as I keep in mind that it's symbolic. Alternately, they presented me Focus 21 as black space with little star-like dots. Also they said several times that Focus 21 is very close to the physical, actually it is somehow at the same place as the physical, but not the same. The first times I arrived at Focus 21 I saw spinning objects, wheels, tornados.

6. I asked if I could go from Focus 21 back down to earth close to the physical to see how that would look like. At first, I saw nothing but long tubes, some larger, some thinner, some hard, some flexible. I interpreted it as symbols for connections. Then I saw a street scene in my home town, but it looked like what is frequently reported of LSD trips, bright unreal changing colors everywhere, beams of colored light sent out from people to other people, one guy was walking in a street in between rows of buildings, and he sent out beams to the left and the right, it was as if he would "scan" his surrounding to keep his feeling of his surrounding stable. A group of people had a big shared flame above their heads, and also trees in the park of my hometown had a big flame above it. I saw people in their appartments, one guy had this black tary stuff attached to him (like what Bruce told about) and it was hanging down and went through the floors/ceilings in the ground. Today I was meditating about levels, and could distinct this colored "LSD" level from one denser which appeared in grey. It was like adjusting sharpness on a camera to phase between the two which was quite delicate. If you saw "Lord Of The Rings" this grey dense level looks just like the effect when Frodo took the ring on, a little blurred, grey, and the shapes like affected from air movement. Add colors and rays and you have an impression of the "LSD" level. In the grey and the LSD levels it was difficult to decide who is physically alive and who is only etheric, attached to the physical; generally, the "ghosts" were looking more "present" than the physically alive people.

Numbers more or less randomly chosen.

Of course I don't know if this all belongs to Focus 21, there are no signs which indicates where I am. But if we take this complex maybe it could have a place in your second dimension with it's seven levels. For me, Focus 15,12,10 feel different like what I told above. Focus 15 is great for moving in time and space, Focus 12 is a mystery, I use it not often, and when I did I had sometimes rapid picture movement or looked at strange landscapes in a SciFiction style or maybe like Monroes (first book) locale 2. Focus 10 is the basic relaxation and imagination focus level, can get you everywhere. You know, there is this method to reach Focus 21 inspired by a channeled entity called Miranon, the move through the seven colors blue, red, yellow, rose, green, purple, white (from F15 to F21). Don't know if this relates somehow to your 7 level system of the 2nd dimension.

Btw, the number 10 reminded me of the "tree of life" originated from Qabbalists. As my literature says, there is definitely a border between the godly upper trias and the other Sephira, maybe one can draw a line between Malkuth, the physical matter and "result" sephirot and the others, but then we have still only three dimensions.

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Reply #32 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 5:41pm
 
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Alysia,

I admire you for attempting to articulate the unspeakable. That's gotta be tough.

This is the first time I've heard of someone attracting a JW lover! Oh my god! Now I've heard it all!

I bonked heads with JW's one time in particular, challenging their beliefs. That just resulted in them sending their heavy artillery in trenchcoats and carring briefcases to come and handle me (which they couldn't). I was unfailingly polite and respectful to them. But I was naive back then to think I could convince them of anything. Not that I knew better than them, I just read more and knew what questions no one could answer by proof-texting the Bible. Clash of belief systems and a statemate.
I am still learning to let go of Ego. Thanks.
Best of luck for your book.
Bob

thats interesting that u would take them on too Bob and get the same result as me, a stalemate. I can't say my experience was an absolute failure though. hindsight being 20-20. JW had confided in me that he had failed to "save" some people, drug related problems. by that time I had succeeded to draw out some of his door to door adventures of the religious pathway. I had begun to understand the perfection of his path, and the perfection of mine in contrast. since he thought god would find displeasure in his servant to fail to retrieve a person on drugs, my religious guide told me to tell him he dropped seeds that would sprout somewhere in time into something beautiful. he seemed to revive himself at this point that god would find favor with him, or continue to find favor with him. so in that respect, maybe some good was accomplished in the relationship, although neither of us would be converted to the other's viewpoint. so I was thinking the same thing about your confrontation of the stalemate with your JW friends. they seem to walk away in deep perplexity and even sorrow, yet there was discourse and there are those seeds to consider.

I asked him from the start "how many people open their door to you? 1 in a 100 he said. i asked was I that one in a 100? he said yes. and then it began, and u know part of the story.
he told me about revelations from his viewpoint & I asked him where in the bible does it speak of "your sons and daughters..dream dreams and prophesy?"
this is me you see, and some of us here. JW could not find it, although he could find any quote you asked for, not the one I needed to make my pointless point that dreams are important to embrace as a part of us, apart from religious construct totally.
I would not bonk heads again as my curiosity is satisfied and his path is fine. DP said it used to be his path and I had wanted a closer look. he was not exactly a happy man but he had developed a kindness towards others thru his path and he had learned not to get into knock down drag out fights anymore. this was too funny. he told me he had been told to high tail it out of somewhere..and he had punched someone! ha ha! over religion? yup! the point was I wanted to see what DP's life had been like. I can be assured the two characters have ceased to be punching people out.
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Spooky, I loved your last post. I need to digest it and will read again..theres a whole lot there to think about and I'm grateful for it. love, alysia
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Reply #33 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 9:54pm
 
I used to stick up for JW's in a limited sense by pointing out that I have seen them go into really bad city neighborhoods and try to convert people who were in very bad situations personally, drugs, violence, ect... Admittedly, being a JW is better than doing those kinds of things. And JW's tend to keep a person busy doing what they do, going house to house. So here is that now ex drug abuser, gangster, walking around all day with a bible in his or her hand. That is definately a step in the right direction. And I didn't see anyone else there, except for an occasional Mormon pair. No Catholics, Greek Orthodox, Baptists, Buddists, Hindus, no one else but JW's and Mormons. And even Mormons are too straight laced for the worst neighborhoods.

This of course has to start from a position of looking at the proverbial glass as half-full. Glad to know your guides confirmed this in the case of your JW lover.

But I still don't like them very much. Sorry. I like Mormons but I've seen JW's use tactics that are appalling. To each their purpose under heaven.

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Reply #34 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 7:50am
 
Hi Spooky,

Thanks for sharing some really interesting experiences.  I can relate to some of these in my own experience like seeing halls, gateways, tunnels or portals I guess one could say and also other beings.  I’d say most of the time its like I’m an observer rather than interacting.  One time Marilyn led a partnered exploration to the Gathering.  When I set my intention to go there not much really happened except I did see a space port of some kind, but that was about it. 

When I read Bruce’s first or maybe second book I tried his imagination method for doing retrieval. When I tried this I concocted this little story in my mind and I think the whole scenario really was just a story I imagined and not actually a retrieval.  After doing this a few times I think I got bored with it and just stopped imagining the story.  That’s when something happened.  It’s hard to describe, but it’s like there was two of me.  Kathy the observer watching an astral Kathy.  This was before I’d heard people talk about aspects of our consciousness splitting and actually left me feeling a bit confused at the time.  I can only guess that this consciousness split is what may have happened.  Kathy the observer saw what looked like a woman lying in a bed in a nursing home and astral Kathy standing beside her holding her hand.  This scene wasn’t anywhere close to what I had been imaging, so that’s why I think it could have been an actual experience. 

I actually seem to like focus 12 expanded awareness better than focus 10.  In thinking about the focus levels of consciousness in comparison with the levels I described, I’d say that C1 consists of my levels of 1 thru 5.  The higher levels seem to be related to focus levels of 10, 12 and 15.  Focus 15 for example takes me easily into what I’m calling level 10 or the innermost part of my being.  I don’t know about the rest of the focus levels and how they would relate or even if they do at all.  I would think they would because it’s on my level 6 that I can begin to see and interact with other beings that are obviously not alive in a physical body.  Perhaps the answer is that consciousness chooses the unfolding of an event out of all possibilities based on intention. 

For example Monroe gave his focus levels meaning when he created them based on his experiences so these became realms of possibility.  These meanings become a part of the consciousness of the person using them for specific purposes as outlined by Monroe and others.  Retrievals would be one example. It seems to me like the intention while not unchangeable would in essence be setup in consciousness.  And when consciousness chooses and an event unfolds even the meaning or interpretation of the event would be unfolding as well.  I don’t know… maybe I’m just confusing myself here.

I’m curious about whether or not people have ever used TMI tapes / CD’s while standing up and trying to take an action such as laying on of hands healing.  If someone wants to experiment with trying this, I love to hear about any results they may have. 

Thanks again Spooky.
Love, Kathy
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Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2005 at 8:01pm
 
Hi Kathy,
I nearly always have this split you told of when I'm mind-traveling, I tried to merge my observer self (which is more "me" than the acting self I'm observing, though this acting self is doing what I want but sometimes does also things I had not expected) with the acting self and it is odd! It seems only to work for very short time and often don't work at all. One time I found myself confronted with this other self feeling like eye to eye contact, well this was REALLY weird and I quit this scene. I noticed today this split happens also when I do remember things from my physical past, for example where I went today! There also is this split! Strange. In the "life-review-movie" often reported in NDEs, it is (I think) in most cases told that one is in an observing position looking on past situations of one's life.
I agree also with the other things you said about Monroe's system.
And I will try HemiSync while acting physically, have wanted to do it since a long time, but never felt in the right mood. I definitely will post it!
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Reply #36 - Dec 3rd, 2005 at 12:03pm
 
Spooky said: I nearly always have this split you told of when I'm mind-traveling, I tried to merge my observer self (which is more "me" than the acting self I'm observing, though this acting self is doing what I want but sometimes does also things I had not expected) with the acting self and it is odd! It seems only to work for very short time and often don't work at all. One time I found myself confronted with this other self feeling like eye to eye contact, well this was REALLY weird and I quit this scene. I noticed today this split happens also when I do remember things from my physical past, for example where I went today! There also is this split! Strange. In the "life-review-movie" often reported in NDEs, it is (I think) in most cases told that one is in an observing position looking on past situations of one's life. 
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When I met the observer self Spooky, I didn't try to merge, it just seemed like this self was the director of the film I was starring in and I was now entering a classroom where I would learn of my capabilities. there were others around, like stage hands, lighting directors and such, but this observer self was in charge of my acting ability or performance. I know what u mean about feeling a little strange though to discover these different parts of yourself operating. the observer part of the mind may well be the part that does self retrievals, to zero in on past situations of one's life, that can be like a self retrieval for sure.
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Beginning with the deepest spiritual level, each penetrates down through each of the others to the physical body.  In other words, each has an affect as it penetrates downward to create the physical.
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each chakra or energy portal in the body of which the main ones number seven (looking at me chart) is relevant to a particular state of mind. so what this means to me when considering healing energy entering any of these portals, as Kathy says, as penetrating downwards.
my thesis when doing healing, is to spin these chakras with imaginary thought energy or different colors as comes to mind. or, to simplify, run energy through the entire body instead of fixating on just a single portal. the idea is to feel your light body move within the flesh. love, alysia

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Reply #37 - Dec 3rd, 2005 at 9:14pm
 
Hi Alysia,
now I (observer) too don't try to merge with an acting me anymore, ha ha, it's too strange, this split state seems to be just natural; actually, it took some time before I realized this because it's so normal for me. I'm just curious if everybody when remembering something from his/her life looks from this observing point upon his/her body or if I'm a special species!
Oh and I think I will know when it's time to merge with a lonesome part of me, it's different than this normal split.
Seems to me from what you wrote you are more in/with what I called the actor rather than the observer?
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Reply #38 - Dec 3rd, 2005 at 9:47pm
 
well if nobody minds me to say so Spooky, you seem like a special species to me...ha ha ha! I like the way you talk. Cheesy yes, I don't want to be a species from merkatwoid either..hee.

I'll bet theres a lot of folks here have felt this observer operating different times? maybe it is not so common as I think? or maybe it's just not noticed much.

I am not that much aware of being in observer position, but as you say, when it happens, seems too natural, almost like you do not notice it much. when I describe that occassion above, where I would enter a woman who did not seem to be myself, but another and play a "role", I was split apart, and the observor part was the part that allowed, which decided I would enter that body, then as I did so, the observer disappeared. seemed natural as u say.
I can liken this state of mind as very calming and unemotional part of self. even have had it settle into C1 now and then, but notice it a lot in obe or PE or dream state.
I am an emotional focus for the most part and so it's weird not to have emotions, but to have a perfect viewpoint, as able to see a wider scope or larger viewpoint then, apart from emotional coloring.
one time in a dream a guide said "you are the seeker, the finder and the observer, and I said, har! I just want to be the observor, if u don't mind! they didn't think I was very funny..oh well. sometimes my jokes fall flat.
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Reply #39 - Dec 4th, 2005 at 9:00am
 
The first time I noticed this split was the during the retrieval exercise, however, I do think this is something that is common with all of us.  I don’t think I’d ever noticed it with myself before.   Perhaps it is something that happens and we simply don’t notice it until we pay attention to it.  The observer aspect of this leads me to wonder about this experience as being our higher self that is observing what it focuses attention on.  I’m thinking of what our Dave here has talked about with regression under hypnosis and also as described in Newton’s books. 

The merging aspect you mentioned seems to happen automatically when I’m participating in laying on of hands healing.  It might be easier for me to explain by giving an example.  Several years ago when my daughter was around the age of 16, she’d started working in a fast food restaurant.  About two weeks after she’d started this job her hands and forearms started breaking out with these huge nickel size blisters and sores that we thought was an allergic reaction to cleaning chemicals or something.  This had gone on for about 2 months and I’d taken her to two different dermatologists who’d prescribed various medications.  She also had been relieved of having any cleaning duties at work.  Nothing seemed to help. 

One day she’d come downstairs complaining that more had appeared and showed them to me.  I’d asked her before if she wanted me to try to heal them with my hands and she’d declined.  Kids at that age don’t like their mother hovering over them. Haha!  This time when I asked, she said yes, but only because she was desperate. My point here is her attitude. She wanted to be healed and therefore was accepting of this.

The moment I placed my hand over her very, very warm subtle energy ran through me and out of the palm of my hand.  The color of both her aura and mine was extremely easy for me to see. The healing was taking place on the first (etheric) level of her energy field, which became a bright light blue extending out about an inch as was mine. I could also see that lavender light was coming out of the palm of my hand and affecting her field and making it very clear.  My mind was very, very clear and although I was still “me” I was different in that there was no split or separation, just clarity of mind with no emotion or thought… only observation / listening mode.  After about 10 minutes I intuited that we were done.  She said she felt very warm and relaxed and she rested for about a half hour.  Within a few days all the sores were completely healed with no scaring and have never reappeared.

This energy that we usually call PUL is perhaps better described as clear energy as in purity or without belief perhaps.  There’s nothing to interfere with it and what it intends.  It’s very difficult to describe because we don’t really have word for it that means the same thing to everyone. I just think of it as clear light that can be any color depending on what is needed.  The only thing I did was placing my hand over her and both of our intentions were aligned with healing to take place and so it did.  Over the years, I’ve come to conclude that even this intention comes from a higher aspect of us and that it is inherent in all of us.  It is not separate from us.  We only believe that it is. This healing energy flows from each of us regardless of whether we can see it or not and it can and does act of it’s own accord.  My shaman teacher told me that he could not see auras, so that’s not a prerequisite at all.

Perhaps one of the most important things I have learned about merging with or aligning with the higher intention of this consciousness is that to do so is to shed belief.  To me the energy itself feels like there is no belief within it, but that it simply just IS.  It’s our beliefs that make it unclear.  Sure we can and do manipulate it, but I think to do so in the physical is to create belief, which in essence creates our experience of individuality.  I wonder… is this the shift in consciousness?

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Reply #40 - Dec 4th, 2005 at 12:41pm
 
Kathy! I wonder… is this the shift in consciousness?  Grin Grin Grin Grin Kiss

now to gild your lily because I have flappy lips.. Cheesy

will meditate a bit first..but ha ha! just noticed something within me when u said it's hard to define what this energy of PUL is, and it's healing effect to put into words..I'm over here jumping up and down shouting YES WE CAN DEFINE IT!

be back later, gotta get quiet for awhile, love you! alysia
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