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Reply #15 - Nov 28th, 2005 at 9:28pm
 
Hi Kathy,
thank you very much for this! It is good to see how much you are aware of through personal experience. I will go through your post again and beheld it, to have a thread for future examinations of my and our reality.

You said we all are on a healing path. It is a very beautiful statement and has in itself healing abilities I feel!
  A thought of mine is, the imagination to be a successful healer of others must have strong attraction even to people with a big ego. It is very much appreciated by most people and one can get much ego feed out of it. But, working as a healer is probably the best way to get rid of a distorted selfish ego! Healing heals, so to say. It's self-referential.
  Recently, I felt disconnected. I had worked concentrated on technical things. When I became aware of my low energy level, I noticed the usual sensations on top of my head had gone. It came back when I focused on it and I felt much more comfortable. Then I suddenly remembered a past life experience I had which included much pain, for others and for me, I thought I was over it, but apparently I was not. The night and the next day I must very often repeat the sentence which came on my mind, "Forgive yourself!". I was told (by myself or guidance or whatever to call it) that the only one who is dragging me down for what I had done in that past life is meself. The following night I was thinking about if I would miss my purpose in my life being the loner that I am (that past life had to do with leaving loved ones alone). I got a message, that even despite of being not very sociable on a physical-to-be-seen level, I nevertheless can and actually do healing work, as everyone incarnated here does it in it's own way, which is to be a channel for energies of the "higher"/spiritual planes. Since I have begun with my mind travelings, I often found myself doing in my mind a thing I called "to become the line", which is, in pictures, like a stretch from the physical to a "higher" level, to provide a connection between these levels to make an energy exchange take place.

Yes, in my view too those levels are not separated. The higher ones include the lower ones. If it is also in reverse, who can tell?

The TMI had recorded EEGs of successful healers and put it in form of audio patterns into some of their HemiSync products ("Healing Frequency").

To try to align Monroe's Focus Levels with your or other systems is indeed an interesting task. I guess the FL are not such hierarchical as it often is presented. They are more guided by purpose than to be thought of enclosing spheres, but just rambling here. Some time ago I came to the level I called in my recent thread "The Mental" and called it back then "The White Level". I came to it from Focus 27. I felt that this is a level of creating visuals for becoming reality on lower levels, but the blueprints came from another "higher" level which I am nearly sure must have been the level of the higher self, the disc, the gathering of all I am. I suppose, Focus 27 is somewhere below but close to the Mental or, in your system, close below 3rd dimension/9th level, Intention. On the other hand, there are these "CWs" in F27, incredible beings, but it can be thought that F27 is not their home place but a place to meet them in a form we can (roughly) understand.

Looking forward to your book,
Spooky
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Reply #16 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 12:48pm
 
Hi Spooky,

I’m glad you enjoyed my post. And thank you so much for responding.

You said,  “I often found myself doing in my mind a thing I called "to become the line", which is, in pictures, like a stretch from the physical to a "higher" level, to provide a connection between these levels to make an energy exchange take place.” 

I’m so happy that you mentioned this because its confirmation for me that people can sense this connecting line to the spiritual naturally.  When I’ve mentioned this to people before, many have told me much the same thing as you have said.  I think this is wonderful.

Yes, I’m familiar with TMI’s healing series and I participated in their Dolphin program for a few years, too.  I’m glad you mentioned the focus levels being guided more by purpose than the idea of enclosing spheres, as this seems very relevant to me, too. For some reason until you mentioned focus 27 as being somewhere just below the third dimension, I hadn’t thought about that, but I’m thinking you very well could be correct. 

As an observer, I begin to see beings on about the fifth level.  The ones I see and interact with seem to be healing helpers.  Most of these beings are rather impersonal or the serious type.  They only give instructions for the most part, but sometimes they will give me information that they think the person or I should know. 

Thank you again Spooky, you have give me much to think about and I appreciate it.

Many blessings to you in your own journey.

Love, Kathy Smiley
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Reply #17 - Nov 29th, 2005 at 4:19pm
 


I have contacted other peoples guides before and was surprised to get our differences resolved so quickly this way, usually through dream or obe. When this occurs, all the anger, frustration, and all of that just disappears!
then you will be amazed how everything can be cleared up so fast.

Kathy, I'm always thinking about focus levels and you mention 10. was wondering if your guides gave you this information? if I could read about this where you did receive it? if your guides were giving you this, I'll just continue to follow along to gleam what I can. for instance, I wonder about focus level 33 a lot, thats where the "gathering" is supposed to be taking place, where all watch the grand experiment here, what man as a whole will enact or leaven during the shift in consciousness. I'm thinking that I only saw 7 levels in a dream, but sensed that there really was no boundary in the way that our human intellect percieves it, so its very easy for me to engage ten levels and compare them intellectually to my spider web theory, which is really not my theory, but Cozzolino's illustration of a being in the center, who never leaves the center but participates to move from one concentric movement, of, well, resonation factor, like the spider is aware of movement on the edge of his web and the circle of his web encompasses all the levels at once...

kinda mind blowing to consider having your mind spread out that far....but quite a challenge and fun too!
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Reply #18 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 7:44am
 
Hi Alysia,

I believe I have posted my background with Bioenergetics, Pathwork, and Barbara Brennen previously... all of which have influenced my work over the last 20 or so years. There are a few others whose work I follow as well. Though I am no longer active in a Pathwork community, I do continue to follow their work.

Pathwork was founded by John and Eva Pierrakos. Eva passed over many years ago. However, her lectures can be read free on online. Several communities in the US have been established as well as an online community. http://www.pathwork.org/

John Pierrakos and Alex Lowen founded the Institute of Bioenergetics. I found this website on a Google search. http://www.bioenergetic-therapy.com/ Just glancing at it, I think this is the same one.

And Barbara's website is http://www.barbarabrennan.com

One teacher I had was a blackfoot Indian shaman that came into my life for a few years.  His healing ability was astounding and far more advanced than any I'd ever known of. One time he placed his finger on a cancerous tumor and it completely dissolved within seconds. He also always balked when I spoke about healing on the energetic levels of the auric field and chakras.  He taught me that these are only techniques and they are only a means to clear enough of the emotional issues so that you can be in a state of grace.

What we each can do to heal ourselves and help others heal is to align ourselves with the highest Divine Wisdom and allow ourselves to be present in this Divine grace with the energy of hope.  We need to truly recognize ourselves and others and appreciate the essence within each of us.  Divine healing energy then flows directly from the highest dimension of our being and miracles happen that are just as powerful as those told of in days long ago. 

My ideas and thoughts have changed over the years especially when I came across work such as TMI which made me wonder about frequencies of vibration and the experience of these.  Clearly we can access them and there seems to be many levels like focus 33 you mentioned Alysia.  I'm still trying to figure out what these mean for all of us as a whole.  As Spooky mentioned these frequencies do seem to be accessed according to purpose and intention.

Love, Kathy
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Reply #19 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 8:07am
 
I am not sure how I feel with regard to auras and chakras - clearly there is a history established for centuries in different cultures that relies on these categories.  So one would should not discount them.  They are subtle and the art of recognition needs to be acquired/learned.  Still, I personally like the simplest explanation for how our essence and reality is set up.

I do believe that in a basic level, it is all about recognizing the divine in us and a state of perfection and divinity in order to heal.  Prayer and intention then may greatly affect the healing process, if done with certain intent.  The healing practitioner must connect to the all that is, and recognize the divine in the person he or she is trying to heal.  The conscious mind must impress its intentions on the subconscious (or the universe take your pick), in order for the healing to occur.

My gosh, I looked at that last paragraph and realize that even a month or two ago, if I'd read a physician writing that, I would have thought that he/she were a nut job!

I am impressed with your system, Kathy.  If I were located nearby, I would love to learn more about it directly.  Still, I have incorporated notions of conscious intent into my medical practice, and I try to gauge whether a person is open enough to take to it.  Surprisingly, most patients are.

All the best,

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Reply #20 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 9:14am
 
Matthew,

"Still, I personally like the simplest explanation for how our essence and reality is set up."

Something like the Occam's Razor approach?

I think it's difficult, if not impossible, to reach the point were we can understand the essential simplicity of something without going through the process of learning it first. I find that that process is rarely simple.  One often must pass through a crucible of complication and confusion before arriving at the perception of essential simplicity. Everyday practical matters aside, I find Occam's Razor to be essentially useless when dealing with things of a much more mysterious nature where understanding is not easily achieved.

In my perception, healing, the Afterlife, and all their attendant issues have an essential quality that binds them all: Pure Unconditional Love. I'll be damned if I can pull someone off the street and explain that simply, especially when part of that understanding is intuitive.

Reality may be simple in its essense, but arriving at that understanding is anything but simple, and so explaining that to someone is complicated.

Explaining mysterious things to someone is not simple unless that person is already "there."

What say you, Dr. Occam?   Grin

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Reply #21 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 9:21am
 
Occam's razor (?spelling) is - in brief if there is one explanation that ties multiple findings together, or you can come up with several, the one unifying explanation is usually correct.  In conventional medicine it is often true.

I believe that no one can appreciate PUL or our unity with the universe, or our deep connection with each other without going on a spiritual quest, reading, talking, meditating and exploring. 

That being said, many on this board get caught up in different complex systems of thought, or sayings.  The KISS system of "keep it simple, stupid" works for me, but admittedly I have done extensive reading, thinking and meditation in coming up with the current system that I am interested in and using.

I think that modern society places too many perceptual blocks on us.  Somehow, in order to be enlightened we have to unlearn what we learned, and empty our cups.  This is the lengthy process.  Once these perceptual blocks are removed, the simplicity of it all is dazzling.

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Reply #22 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 9:51am
 
Bob,

I should also add that many have told me that the process of achieving enlightenment should be long and rigorous.  Poppycock.   While I don't believe in instant karma (great song by the way) or revelation,  I do feel that it is all about belief and perceptual blocks.  The more open an individual is to removing these blocks, and being open to enlightenment, the quicker it comes.  If I can set my thought and intention correctly, and make a connection - something good is going to hapen.


Thought has energy, has meaning creates all that is.  Words express thought and  are powerful in that they reinforce it.  Understanding these concepts, while not immediate does not have to take a long time, my friend.

Matthew
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Reply #23 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 10:26am
 
Matthew,

What you have said here (KISS) is exactly how I feel... lol Smiley Took me a lot of years to figure that out though. 

I believe you mentioned you're in the NY area.  I'm sure there are many healers, workshops, etc. in that area.  Brennen has written two books "Hands of Light" and "Light Emerging" The first is a handbook and the 2nd addresses self-healing.  Both have good illustrations of what the aura looks like, but the reason I recommend these is because of how she addresses psychological aspects of healing.  I have not seen anyone relate these as well as she does in her books. 

Another book written by Diane Goldner, "How People Heal" consists of interviews with many healers and has many references listed in the bibliography in the back of the book.

And here's another reference website.  http://www.wholistichealingresearch.com/
I haven't read Benor's book yet.  Did hear a couple interviews with him that were interesting.

I don't think we really have good scientific ways to measure the aura, so we describe this according to religious beliefs and such, which seems to lead to a whole array of controversy.  Perhaps our aura is really a subject for the highly trained physicists to tackle and explain.

Many blessings await you in your search, I'm sure.

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Reply #24 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 10:46am
 
Thanks for this interesting topic Kathy and the references.  I plan to use them and incorporate whatever I learn into my medical practice.

I have mixed feelings about the numbers assigned to either dimension, or fields, as you know - but you reported that you began to see auras after reaching a certain point, so I am leaving my mind open, keeping your system in mind as I explore.

I like your outlook as you constantly go back to the essential issues of PUL and unity.  I guess, I am more against a system of chakras, auras, subtle bodies or heavens that subdivides us or our natures without then unifying us again (if that makes sense).



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Reply #25 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 12:30pm
 
Doc,

"Occam's razor (?spelling) is - in brief if there is one explanation that ties multiple findings together, or you can come up with several, the one unifying explanation is usually correct.  In conventional medicine it is often true."

The definition I was taught: All other things being equal, the simplest explanation is usually the correct one. Yours has more depth. I will adopt it.

"I believe that no one can appreciate PUL or our unity with the universe, or our deep connection with each other without going on a spiritual quest, reading, talking, meditating and exploring."

Yes, I was concerned with the idea that the explanation of all this is far from simple. I mean, really, how do you explain all this to a BST candidate who absolutely has no clue, who is caught up in C1 awareness? Where the hell do you start? This is where I challenge the idea that Occam's Razor is of practical utility in these matters. The individual has to perceive the "multiple findings" first before an explanation can be perceived (or received). By then s/he has already passed through what I called the Crucible of Complication and Confusion so the utility of the providing the underlying explanation has been lost. I hope we are not talking past each other here. 

"That being said, many on this board get caught up in different complex systems of thought, or sayings.  The KISS system of "keep it simple, stupid" works for me, but admittedly I have done extensive reading, thinking and meditation in coming up with the current system that I am interested in and using."

I think you may be onto something here. When we remove blocks and have belief system crashes, what's left? What do we have for structure to organize newer experiences? Nothing, really. This is the problem with dumping religion. The individual is left floundering. I am considering that KNOWINGLY adopting a belief system for structure is not necessarily a bad thing, at least at first. I believe, if memory serves, there are some Sufis who teach exactly this, that the Sufism is found in all the major religions and that Islam is their structure. I think they have a point. A belief system structure can also serve as modality for more focused practical application, e.g. Chakras and healing, without losing sight of the 'one explanation that ties multiple findings together.'  I would add that an individual should only do this under Guidance. Until a new, agreed upon structure is put forth, all we have are the old belief systems (conventional and unconventional) that we can borrow from to organize and process our new experiences for ourselves. Our experiences remain subjective and there is no prepoderance of the evidence we can present in a meaningful way. My intellectual formation is not a developed as yours. I hope you are getting what I mean here.

"I think that modern society places too many perceptual blocks on us.  Somehow, in order to be enlightened we have to unlearn what we learned, and empty our cups.  This is the lengthy process.  Once these perceptual blocks are removed, the simplicity of it all is dazzling."

Yes and no. Profound suffering can hasten this process. I can't understate this.

I have projected my conciousness, my thoughts, and PUL. I can perceive people who have passed, sometimes physically. I have done this without help from expensive tapes or CD's (yes, that was a swipe and a crying out to TMI).  However, I lack a structure. As a student I can't present a coherent, objective, internally structured and believable paper on any of this stuff. Correct me please if I'm wrong about anything I say.

"I should also add that many have told me that the process of achieving enlightenment should be long and rigorous.  Poppycock.   While I don't believe in instant karma (great song by the way) or revelation,  I do feel that it is all about belief and perceptual blocks.  The more open an individual is to removing these blocks, and being open to enlightenment, the quicker it comes.  If I can set my thought and intention correctly, and make a connection - something good is going to hapen."

Agreed. But again, a lack of structure or system (a dirty word around here) presents a problem here. Words like "Enlightenment", and others such as "Psychic", "Ghost" et al. are terms from belief systems and carry their own, unwanted baggage.  We need our own vocabulary, beyond "Focus" this and that. I think this would help remove perceptual blocks and shed beliefs.

As for 'enlightenment' being a long and rigorous process, I suppose that would depend on the individual.

When my guidance tells me something is going to happen, and it does, I've had a revelation. That's another loaded word we need to replace. I've had several 'revelations.' I've verified enough of them to believe those I can't verify, like New Orleans was "cleansed." Does that make me a prophet? He he.
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"Thought has energy, has meaning creates all that is.  Words express thought and  are powerful in that they reinforce it.  Understanding these concepts, while not immediate does not have to take a long time, my friend."

I never said it did. I know this from limited experience.

BTW, by using loaded words verbally, are we expressing our thoughts with the purity of intention that we desire?

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What loaded words?  As Elvis Costello sang, "my aim is true."
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Reply #27 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 1:18pm
 
Bob,

I do agree that you can't take someone who is confused in a BST or otherwise, and standing on one leg get them to understand these concepts in a minute or two.  (Wasn't that Hillel, the prophet, who was asked to describe the meaning of the Torah/bible while standing on one leg, and he said "do unto others as you would have them do unto you"  or so the story goes)

I agree with your idea that we need a structural framework to express things with and teach - I think you are right, and in order to help others, we must go through a learning process.

I just feel that many get caught up in the system of others such as Sweedenberg, Cayce, and then defend their system without having had personal verification that it is valid.  Its only by our own exploration like that detailed by Kathy and yourself that we get true meaning.


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Reply #28 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 1:39pm
 
Doc,

Agreed.

Loaded words? Let's see...revelation, enlightenment... these are loaded because they carry baggage. I used ghost and psychic as other examples.

I agree that verification is necessary before adopting someone else's wordlview, and personal experience is best. However, like the religions some of us have passed throught to get to where we are now, these systems may be necessary for a particular individual at this point in their progression so he or she may learn something that is preparation for their next experience. Without talking to their guides, it's difficult to say for sure.

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Reply #29 - Dec 1st, 2005 at 2:36pm
 
KISS runs thru this thread, although I changed the last letter to "silly" as don't want to run my self image into the ground too often...been there, done that! Grin

so with that intent, to help a thread be more simple (like me I think) let me share just a little. I'll just do a take off Bob to explain where I'm at personally as a healer who doesn't want to "see the sickness there."

Bob said:In my perception, healing, the Afterlife, and all their attendant issues have an essential quality that binds them all: Pure Unconditional Love. I'll be damned if I can pull someone off the street and explain that simply, especially when part of that understanding is intuitive. 
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I do this all the time unsuccessfully I might add, Bob, to pull someone off the street, so to speak explaining PUL.
for example: I have to blame this failure on Higher self..I lack language tools, true, we need an entirely different language, but have to make do..since I fail to explain PUL, in order to not lose all hope, I will turn it into a comedy of errors and just embrace humanity, as I have no power to discern what's down the pike for another.
I can tell u of my experience however that we are the funniest bunch of humanity as we go about this business of healing rifts in understanding as well as overt disease on the body.
ever bonked heads with a Jehova Witness? ok, it wasn't me that pulled this guy off the street. no  way! I had a question to the universe, and my question pulled him into my universe. I was given fair warning thru a dream obe he would arrive, which did nothing to alleviate my tripedation to find him on my doorstep, and my first instinct was to run away. so all the dream did was tell me not to run. he really was charming and had mellowed somewhat with age. New age meets tradition. great. he was there to teach me how to speak my word, which is not about religion. just PUL. to make a long story short, yes it turned into a comedy of errors. as I spoke about PUL, he fell in love with....ouch.....me...u see, nobody knows what PUL is and to talk about it is misleading in the general world out there. now I had two problems instead of one. I had failed to convert him to new age thinking, and on top of that, I had attracted a lover whom I would have to reject. what a fool I felt like. this caused many laughing gags for me which made me feel quite insane. thanks a lot, higher self I yelled out, you really set me up good this time. Tongue  I was finally able to point out to JW that he was mistaken about my intentions. My job was simply to stop peering at him from behind the curtains and just tell him like it was boldly, knowing that he might take it badly, but was better to face off with him and tell him I was not a temptress when I spoke of PUL, but that is the way most people think of love talk. that it is a polarity exchange only. it is more than that for sure. it is an experience that occurs over a lifetime for each, is individualized. I am so sad it cannot be shared in words..but words are all I have. so I go off in search of a new language. working on this book lately, I want to throw it away sometimes, it is only words too. so now I have called the guides forth, otherwise it will go into the garbage I must say! very humbling experience is to write about the unwriteable.
I am in the midst of embracing my humanity, which means to be open to every part of that humanity as in like committed to the healing aspects of PUL.
some of you are quite unbelievable! but I have always loved people who are "different" so I quite can get used to those "unbelievable" items as well. wish me luck, in my naivety, I am going to need it!
love you all, both small and large egos, we are shifting ourselves along and I will be needing to lean on you. love, alysia
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