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Nov 27th, 2005 at 9:05am
 
    While driving home down a dark winding road last night, I saw the hindquarters of a deer having crossed on the left side of the road.  I live in a part of New York which is deer country, and over a tenth of a second or so, thought "where there is one, there are others crossing."  Usually, I can see them, waiting to cross one after the other.  I honk the horn, as deer are mesmerized by headlights and don't move.  There was nothing in the road.  With a sickening thud, a deer leaped from out of my vision at the car, striking the right side and front bumper.  The sound was indescribeable, and I shouted "Noooooooo!" But there was nothing I could do.  It had happened.  For those of you who don't know me, I am an animal lover.  Although I have not had the personal conviction to become a vegetarian, I would not willingly cause another living creature pain.

    A few hundred feet down the road, I stopped, visibly shaken.  I was ok.  I turned around, expecting to find the poor thing suffering, and I called the police, reporting it.  However, I could find no sign of the animal, eventhough I drove back and forth several times.

    I began to think, I could have died - easily.  Were there guides or angels present?  I didn't feel them there.  The damage to my car means less to me than the suffering of one of God's creatures.  I began to think - we do learn from these seemingly random events and negative experiences.  But what was the lesson?  What was I meant to learn?  I wasn't driving terribly fast.  It was pitch dark.  I said a prayer for the animal, and tried, while meditating to contact it and tell it to pass over if it were suffering.  I doubted that any animal could survive the impact from my car.

    So I started this thread as not just a means to catharsis, but to pose a question.  Do folks here feel that every seemingly random event is truly random (since free will reigns)?  Or, is there a meaning behind every tragedy and seemingly random event?

Matthew
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Reply #1 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 9:24am
 
Dear Matthew,

I haven't come to a conclusion about this, but I suppose everything offers something to learn. What changed for you because of this event? What were you thinking about, perhaps, just before hand? Perhaps it is in your best interest to think along new lines? These are thoughts that might come to mind if I experienced this, after I calmed down. Is this a reminder to pay attention at all times? Not that you weren't, but maybe there is more of you that can pay attention? Can you sweep the road in your mind ahead of time, influence things in unexpected ways? Or perhaps this was meaningful for the deer, in ways we don't know. Did it want to die before a long hard winter set in? Or is it ok, but wiser now,  as are other deer that witnessed this? Did this prevent something else from happening, for example, you stopped and backtracked thus may have avoided a tragedy ahead on the road. This could have been an unconscious choice to not experience the bigger more 'disruptive' event (collision with moose or another car?). Or maybe it brought new energy or appreciation for your living-breathing self?

Some thoughts, anyway. I'm glad  you are ok.

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Reply #2 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 9:29am
 
Crystal Moment
by Robert Peter Tristram Coffin (1892-1955)

Once or twice this side of death
Things can make one hold his breath.

From my boyhood I remember
A crystal moment of September.

A wooded island rang with sounds
Of church bells in the throats of hounds.

A buck leaped out and took the tide
With jewels flowing past each side.

With his head high like a tree
He swam within a yard of me.

I saw the golden drop of light
In his eyes turned dark with fright.

I saw the forest's holiness
On him like a fierce caress.

Fear made him lovely past belief,
My heart was trembling like a leaf.

He leans towards the land and life
With need above him like a knife.

In his wake the hot hounds churned
They stretched their muzzles out and yearned.

They bayed no more, but swam and throbbed
Hunger drove them till they sobbed.

Pursued, pursuers reached the shore
And vanished. I saw nothing more.

So they passed, a pageant such
As only gods could witness much,

Life and death upon one tether
And running beautiful together.

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Reply #3 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 9:31am
 
Life and death always run together. It's a package deal.
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Reply #4 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 10:08am
 
thanks for the poem Lucy, I usually don't like to read poetry, not even my own, but I really like that poem! Cheesy
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Reply #5 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 12:01pm
 
Matthew, I feel for you and for the deer. I would feel the same way if I had hit a deer and there are so many where I live. Luckily I don't have a car right now. Huh, never thought I'd say that as I really want a car.

I feel that no event is random and that there is meaning behind everything. Your guides were with you, are always with you. The meaning may come to you when you least suspect it.

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Reply #6 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 4:33pm
 
That poem...my pagan friends would say he saw the wild hunt...

I think there is intention and there is randomness too.  Isn't an either/or deal.  When John was killed, the accident was one of those "stretch about six different circumstances/coincidences to their limit" kind of things for it to happen.  Calm clear day, chunk of tree limb had to hit a very tiny spot that required it to fall in a weird trajectory for that split second that four guys experienced at their work were all looking elsewhere.  He had never had a serious accident at work in twenty-five years in a very dangerous job.  Except one...about five months before the accident that killed him, he was hit in almost the same place in the head by a swinging cable, he just ducked enough that time to prevent major damage.  Both accidents were flukes, really.  Makes me think that he was supposed to die from a head injury at about fifty-one...but not at such-and-such a time on a particular day in a precise way.  And I think if you do really really stupid stuff, like dashing into traffic repeatedly, that you can check out earlier than may have been the original plan.  Likewise, people who *really really* need to hang around a little longer will come through hurricanes or tsunamis in totally unbelievable ways. So my vote is for a basic plan seasoned with random events and leavened with lessons...metaphorically... Wink
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Reply #7 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 5:14pm
 
Hi Cricket,

I have read (can't remember where) that we all choose several exit points in our lives before birth into this life. It sounds to me like the first time when he was almost hit by the swinging cable was his first exit point but he chose not to leave then.

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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 8:22pm
 
Marilyn - I've read that too, and it's exactly what I think in John's case.  Even more...I've always had some interest in the afterlife, and communicating with spirits (hard not to in this house, place came with it's own resident ghosties, after all). 

However, it was never a *big* interest...not like I sought out books or internet info about it.  Never tried in more than a "whatever" kind of way to contact my Dad or anyone else who had passed, didn't even pester our house ghosts that much. 

Then about a year ago, which was before John got hit the first time, I positively got on a binge...bought books by the score, looked up everything I could find on the subject.  My guess (and it's just that)...we planned this together, and somewhere way back in my little pea brain was the knowledge that I'd better get ready for losing him.  As I said to him the other day (and he'd better be listening where ever he is), this was probably at least partly my idea, but you know?  Even if it was IT WAS STILL A BAD ONE!!  Smiley

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Reply #9 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 8:56pm
 
Quote:
That poem...my pagan friends would say he saw the wild hunt...

I think there is intention and there is randomness too.  Isn't an either/or deal.  When John was killed, the accident was one of those "stretch about six different circumstances/coincidences to their limit" kind of things for it to happen.  Calm clear day, chunk of tree limb had to hit a very tiny spot that required it to fall in a weird trajectory for that split second that four guys experienced at their work were all looking elsewhere.  He had never had a serious accident at work in twenty-five years in a very dangerous job.  Except one...about five months before the accident that killed him, he was hit in almost the same place in the head by a swinging cable, he just ducked enough that time to prevent major damage.  Both accidents were flukes, really.  Makes me think that he was supposed to die from a head injury at about fifty-one...but not at such-and-such a time on a particular day in a precise way.  And I think if you do really really stupid stuff, like dashing into traffic repeatedly, that you can check out earlier than may have been the original plan.  Likewise, people who *really really* need to hang around a little longer will come through hurricanes or tsunamis in totally unbelievable ways. So my vote is for a basic plan seasoned with random events and leavened with lessons...metaphorically... Wink


 
Completly agree.  Sometimes we have to just have common sense too, and something in Yeshua's life really reminds me of this.  When he went to the desert, fasted and was tested by Satan (his ego) for 40 days, his ego brought up various scenarios, and sorely tempted him in his weak spots. 

  At one point, a part of him (his ego) said to himself, if you truly be the Messiah, then jump off this cliff, and you'll be alright since the Prophets said you would come to no danger before your time, and that God gave his Angels charge to lift you up if you should fall, etc.   Yeshua duly notes this thought/feeling and says that he will not test the Lord his God...  Basically, have some common C1 sense, along with a deep awareness and knowing that things generally work out for the best.

  Cayce's Source once said that there are occasionally accidents, even as there were accidents in creation.  It seems like unconscious Cayce was surprised by what he was told by the White Light Bro'hood since during relating this, he said this was a strange but true statement.

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Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 10:29pm
 
Marilyn,

Sylvia Browne writes of this.

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Reply #11 - Nov 27th, 2005 at 11:26pm
 
Thanks Bob. I know I didn't read it in one of her books as I haven't read any of her books. But I have read it more than once so it must be a pretty generally accepted idea, in some circles anyway.  And it truly makes sense too.

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Reply #12 - Nov 28th, 2005 at 2:43am
 
If you want to do your part in ending unnecessary
animal suffering, you might want to consider cutting
pork from your diet, and boycotting pork products
in general.
The modern, corporate/industrial manner in which pigs
are raised for slaughter makes even an avid hunter
like myself cringe... these animals literally spend their (mercifully short) lives in an old-fashioned vision of Hell.
(Google "pig factories" or "pork industry" and see what
I'm talking about.) It is interesting also that pigs are
probably among the top 5 intelligent creatures on Earth...
As for the deer, collisions with cars (I've had a few close calls myself!) are an ever-increasing reality as their numbers grow due to an increase of suitable habitat for them (due to man's clearing of forests... this creates more "treeline" habitat which is ideal for whitetail deer, the species I assume you encountered) and (especially in the East) lack of natural predators (due to extermination efforts) TOGETHER with ever-mounting development (housing, roads, ect.) pushing into deer habitat (associated with human population growth.) Therefore, the reason this happened to you (and the deer!) COULD be said to simply be the price being exacted for collective human stupidity and corporate greed. Too bad that price is usually borne by innocents like your deer (and not the corporate bigshots and bureaucrats responsible for this situation..!)

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Reply #13 - Nov 28th, 2005 at 3:55am
 
 I very much agree B-man.  Have you cut pork products out of your diet?

 I haven't eaten pork in more than a decade, i believe and i'm 25 (had very little before i cut it out too).  

 Must have had some strong Jewish lifetimes (well actually know i do) since i thought it was disgusting since young.

 When i was around 5, and made to eat ham, i would throw up even though i liked the salty taste (probably too much salt for my system to handle at the time?).

 Because of many things, but especially because of the Pigs evolution and intelligence, their energy vibrations are harder to break down in our systems, and can really deplete our energy levels.

 I love a Cayce quote which goes something like, "If a person fills themselves up with swine will they not eventually become hoggish in their relationships with others?"

 Slow vibrational personalities are often very attracted to slow vibrational lifestyles and even food choices, and the other spectrum vice versa.  Plus their is the whole corporate thing to consider, like you mentioned, and i can't in good conscience support such systems which promote the suffering of animals to such a horrible degree.  I eat eggs, but i buy them as grain fed, cage free, etc. and not only is it a better choice spiritiually, but also more nutritionally.  Plenty of studies lately have shown that organically raised and produced foods have a greater nutritional concentration on average, as well as less pesticide residues etc.   When you buy organic, you are saying i care about others and the Earth's health, and in this spirit it helps to raise ones energy levels because it becomes a loving, compassionate act.

  You're also saying no to the corporations and their utter lack of regard for people's health, etc...

  well enough soap box preaching, i am glad you brough this up Brendan.

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Reply #14 - Nov 28th, 2005 at 4:01am
 
Hi, DocM,

Sorry to hear about your experience with the deer, as I love all animals too. The main thing is that you were unhurt.

A very close friend of mine was a regular visitor to America (he lived in the U.K.) where he used to travel extensively with his wife in their RV.
Following one visit he returned home with two very small devices which he fixed to the front bumper (fender) of his car here, as we also have many deer roaming wild. I asked him what they were, only to be told that as he drove along they made a noise, inaudible to the human ear, caused by the wind passing through them which would alert deer of oncoming traffic and scare them away from the approaching noise.
He also had them fitted on his RV in America. Fortunately he never had any accidents with deer, probably because of them.

Have you thought about buying and fitting them to your car? Sorry I cannot help with any details about them, though.

Best wishes, roger Smiley
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