Hi people,
reading R. McKnight, I found a five-level consciousness system, similar to one of India (I know not much about that). Because some things McKnight wrote were familiar to me from my own mind-journeys I decided to meditate about this five level system. Those levels are labeled:
1. Physical Level
2. Etheric Level
3. Emotional Level
4. Mental Level
5. Spiritual Level
these labels might not fit very well, but anyway, they are in use.

My experiences in summary regarding these levels:

I spare comments on the physical and go to

The Etheric Level: McKnight suggests this is the level of "classic obe", very vivid and often such similar to the physical that some might not realize in the first time that they are in the etheric. If this is true, I was not consciously in this state, I was sometimes at the beginning of this state I guess but snapped back immediately. Maybe my "earth-near" explorings of the remote-viewing sort are fitting in this category, but are lacking the vividness. Once I saw my protection shield of my physical body lying on the bed (black, with electric-looking flashing light streams running around the surface). Another time I saw one body was lying in bed, and one was sitting on the bed, maybe my etheric body.

The Emotional Level: My explorings indicate that this is the level where I usually meet people in human shape (well, except the physical), people there are (in the areas where I was) extraordinary beautiful and shiny, with a strong sense of character/personality/self awareness. There is sexuality, but the focus of it is of the erotic attraction and the impressive beauty. There also are meltings. Love is felt in an energetic way, it runs through the body, my physical body also is involved. The surrounding can be influenced by will/imagination, though not everywhere to any degree. Emotions are full present and can and should be expressed, but I don't know if every sorts of emotions and to what amount.

The Mental Level: This is very different to the Emotional Level. It presented itself in black or in white. The blackness has depth, maybe it's because of the association with outer space. The white is not deep nor flat; both, the black and stronger the white is a negation of visual reality. I often call it "the formless level". When I communicate, it is as if they speak to me from the same place where I am. I got advice to better perceive, I should "look" inside rather than out. There is visual perception if wanted, but only together with the certainty that it is something like a 3D-simulation, not to be reality where I can be "in". Emotions are not existing. It's clear and logical. (Though this causes in me sometimes emotions like excitement etc., I guess this is not level inherent) I feel connected with a kind of matrix, an arrangement of elements acting in order like an orchestra. Everything is in it's right place. Everything is classified and identified correctly. Plans are made real through that 3D-simulations. I asked about love, and it was said it is here but in a way I don't expect. Not to be felt in the same energetic way as in the Emotional, it has more to do with connectedness, shared knowledge. Sometimes I had the feeling of extreme expansion, reaching far beyond the Earth-Life-System. In this level the earth's presence is very much weaker than in the Emotional. But all physical reality must pass firstly as conceptions through this level before becoming actually physical.

The Spiritual Level: The dominant thing here is will, intent, activity. Things were put in place according to a plan. There is no doubt. There is no wrong, there is only right. There is no fault because there is no choice. Absolute certainty. The question "what should I do?" is without meaning here. I had the impression of things like spheres, when I thought about if this maybe is something like Plato's "ideas" I get an responding thought that there are single things or elements like those "ideas" but in the same time they are connected to such a high degree so they are elements but also in one with the others.

Beyond the Spiritual Level: I was so shameless to ask if I can go beyond the Spiritual level. No, I can't now. The next level is a level of unity. There, the one who causes something is in one with what is caused. Causator and effect is the same there.


Of course I don't know where I really was. I have heard the Spiritual Level is only peceivable by very skilled, if not holy, persons, so my glimpses are maybe just downgraded presentations appropriate to what I'm able to get- or it is just my reflections.

Are there any similarities with your experiences of consciousness levels or with the eastern five-level-system or any other systems?

Bye, Spooky

Spooky,

"The dominant thing here is will, intent, activity" and "here is no fault because there is no choice."

This is an apparent contracdition. Do we have free will in the Spiritual Level or not?

Bob

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I don't know if this helps with the interpretation of the "no choice" part, but I took these sentences altogether rather than as separate statements.  i.e. no choice of right and wrong or dilemma about making the wrong choice.  All choices are all correct by virtue of the intrinsic nature of the place.

It made sense to me, but maybe i'm not reading it correctly.

there was a level I visited and was the 5th level. the people did not talk but all was known and greetings were just in the air, non verbal. everybody knew everything about me as from day one as I guess I was broadcasting it from my energy field but we were all as one, as a family. there was no conflict, a sense of industry and light heartedness, a working for the whole in cooperation on this 5th level, during the shift in consciousness.
I see this as a real possibility now within the earth. thats a good post to think about you wrote Spooky. I would like to return and read it again when I have some more time!
love, alysia

  Hi all,

My understanding is that the spiritual level of the ELS is the 7th dimension.  This also corresponds to the last, and fastest vibrating Chakra--the Crown, which in turn corresponds to the Pituitary Gland.

The 5th dimension is one of the beginning of more universal service, and corresponds to the Throat Chakra.  Many beginning and mid level guides are found here.  Each dimension corresponds to each Chakra, and each is a higher harmonic of the other, and successively more expanded in awareness..

In the 7th and beyond, are the Elders and Master guides.

  I've contacted the 7th only in really, really deep delta meditation, and i generally click out, or only get "feeling" impressions...

  I came in from the 6th, and in life much of my awareness is centered in the 6th Chakra, though with active Center below, especially the 4th, 5th, and 3rd.

  Need to learn that tonal thing that Bruce talks about....  Only thing which will translate that kind of awareness....

Hi,
yeah, Justin, the tonal thing, would be cool to be able to master a universal language. I'll watch out if I hear R2D2 sounds queezidweeepuaairk...

The five, the seven, and many more systems, it's a jungle! I've got sensations at all chakra places (root chakra not much). I found when I did a heart chakra exercise that my heart chakra is strongly connected with my solarplexus chakra, which was not very comfortable. I notice sometimes pain in the place of the solarplexus and temple chakra.

When I ask myself which of the levels I told of is appropriate to me now I would say the mental.

Spooky

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 Hi Spooky,

 I think there was a time where humanity did have this tonal language universally...  Note "Ra Tah" of Cayce's readings, and then Monroe's goodbye phrase from thousands of years ago, "Ta Na Sen".

 The Bible talks about humanity once having a common, universal tongue, until it became increasingly more selfish and separated.

 I laughed my butt off during Bruce's 3rd book and all the tin can turkey sounds of second gathering group!  But it was pretty darn interesting though.  I have oft wondered if that group was the one we commonly refer to as the "Grays"?

 If you remember both of Rosies' books, she talks about the 7 centers in the 5 bodies, and thats how i look at it.

 Like the physical body corresponds primarily to the 1st Chakra, which is why most people don't need to work on this chakra at all being immersed in the phyiscal with all its animal appetites, etc.

 The etheric body primarily corresponds to the 2nd Chakra, and a bit to the 1st.  

 The emotional body corresponds to the 3rd primarily but shades into the important balancing  4th Chakra, where the emotional and mental meets.  

 The mental shades in from the 4th to the slower vibrational sub dimensions of the 6th dimension and Chakra.  

  And the spiritual is the faster vibrational sub dimensions (all major dimension have 7 sub dimensions within it) of the 6th dimension/Chakra and to the 8th dimension, but the 8th is not technically within our system, its the interdeveloping doorway to other systems--Arcturus.  

 These dimensions of the ELS, and the Chakras can also be related to the Planetary Spheres, but there are both universal and individual/relativistic systems to consider.   For example, people who experience Jupiter inbetween lives, Jupiter may represent a 5th dimensional experience, or a 7th dimensional--depending on how they "use" it...

 Its taken me quite awhile to correlate some of these seemingly unrelated theories, with my own intuitions, etc.  and it still isn't complete..mostly because i have to see both the objective/universal viewpoint, and perceiving the individual/relativistic perspective.

Peace

Technical vocabulary, like in any other field.