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dreamer
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Nov 20th, 2005 at 9:13am
 
Hi All,
I have been reading this website back to front, it really interests me.
My Question is:-
If the afterlife exists in the same consciousness were our dreams are, doesnt our brain need to work to make that consciousness happen? So then if I die,my brain stops working,then how?? anyway Im sure you get the picture....thats where I get lost
any help much apreciated
peace and love 2 all 8)
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Reply #1 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 9:41am
 
yes the 64 thousand dollar question...

maybe the answer is that you only need the brain to fully translate the experience into something you can talk about for the purposes of C1.

So does the brain create conciousness? or just interpret it?

I don't have a definitive answer that I can use modern science to prove. But I personally don't think chemical reactions create life, and I don't think a sperm hooking up with an egg creates life, so by analogy, why should I think thebrain creates conciousness? Maybe it facilitates C1 conciousness...but I can't see how you can argue that it creates all conciousness.
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Reply #2 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 10:23am
 
Actually Lucy we don't even know if science will be able to answer that question.

It is more of a philosophical question than a scientific question.
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Reply #3 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 10:57am
 
It would appear that the brain is temporarily necessary to allow consciousness to express itself and gain experience, while we are in the denser conditions of earth.

Consciousness is - always - and manifests variably, although limited by our spiritual standing and our current limitations.

The brain is affected by many conditions, including tiredness, hunger, drugs, hormones, et al, causing consciousness to drag behind, due to the temporary connection with brain.

I was fortunate enough to experience a OBE during surgery, during which, although the wee brain was deeply 'out of it', consciousness was fully aware - indeed more aware than normal - of all that was taking place.

Memory was intact, even sharper than normal.
It really has to be experienced and even then, just a very limited amount of what is available, can be accessed.
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Reply #4 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 3:37pm
 
The question assumes that consciousness is dependant on the brain for its existence (the brain makes it happen). My understanding is the brain acts as an interface for our consciousness which actually resides over there, allowing the consciousness to focus fully on/in physical reality. Lose the brain - lose that focus and ability to interact easily with C1 reality. But the consciousness continues as it did before.

Corrections?

Bob
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Reply #5 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 4:46pm
 
I don't see the brain and consciousness related, we are all "conscious" bodys, or souls/spirits if you like somehow locked inside a body for now, the brain is merely a communication device for we need to communicate and be communicated too. I see it like that as it helps me understand, plus also in OBE's its a good vision and NDE's because you can imagine the soul/spirit/conscious body leaving the human body.

However none of this is proved...but I guess if it is related somehow, so that consciousness exsists purly because of our brains enabling it too then fine, I won't worry about this because when I die, I won't know of anything.

But for me I'm far too gone in my journey and know this isn't true, even for someone who isn't, all the stories of ADC, surely even not scientific proof, it is proof. Why does all proof have to be scientific all the time? Some things don't need explaining.

Ryan Smiley
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Reply #6 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 6:27pm
 
This question has to do with what Dave on this board called "the primacy of matter."  We assume that the electrochemical reactions in our brain create consciousness.  That if we could duplicate the neural connections, we could create a consciousness.  That matter comes first, and consciousness is just a trick of evolution.  That is the primacy of matter.  This all came about over the past three hundred years due to the progress of science.  As we define matter, chemical compounds, etc., we try to understand all of the interactions in this reality.  We break things down into billiard ball like building blocks, perform experiments and then write our scientific laws.   We begin to factor consciousness out of the equation.  

So far, there has been no reproducible scientific proof that consciousness exists on its own, so it is discounted.  Although you will see some proof on this site, through books, etc., the proof has never been that of a reproducible experiment as of yet that all of humanity has acknowledged.  Thus, living, and life lose much, starting with the notion of consciousness, god and spirituality.

But what if consciousness comes first (the old chicken and egg question)?  If consciousness exists on a different plane it may express itself in various ways in our reality.  The brain may be more of a receiver for consciousness.  Thus we see that there are reports of people having out of body experiences and noticing a silver cord connecting their soul/mind/awareness to their bodies.   This can not be seen on any MRI test or CAT scan, and so for now, to science it is just a hallucination - and does not exist.

For me, some of the strongest evidence that our consciousness is independent of our reality has to do with our ability to manipulate the physical world by just focusing our intent.  I have researched this and am performing my own explorations with impressive results.  

For now, each of us on this board has to obtain our own experiences to prove that there indeed is a soul or spirit of consciousness.  As we collect our experiences, we each feel a deep validation of what we know.  By sharing them on this board, we support each other too.


Welcome,

Matthew

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Reply #7 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 9:18pm
 
Hi,
like Raphael said, a "philosophical" way to look at it is to see what we evidently and with no doubts do have. Our experiences. This is, like DocM said, the primacy of consciousness. This is a must because all what we know (for example about the brain) IS consciousness. From that point of view, there is no basic separation between matter (brain) and any realms of consciousness because matter is a part of consciousness.
  Don't follow the unlogical thoughts that "we are our brains" which is to take at first a part from our consciousness (the brain, we perceive it and make concepts about it) and then declare it to the source of our consciousness. To think the whole emerges from a part of the whole or this part is the base of the whole is, I hope everyone got the thought, just silly.
  You can look at it like Monroe did, we signed up to accept the rules of this consciousness locale called earth-life-system before we incarnated.
Spooky
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Reply #8 - Nov 21st, 2005 at 11:40am
 
There is no way that my biological brain could have created some of the experiences I've had. Way beyond what it knew.

My guidance clearly comes from a place beyond this physical World, and I doubt that it's walking around with a physical brain.

Your awareness/consciousness is always there, but the things you experience always change. What's more certain?

If awareness/consciousness wasn't there, would the existence of anything else matter?
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