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When meditating is your mind SILENT?
Nov 18th, 2005 at 3:34pm
 
Lucy's thread on visualization and got me to thinking about meditating in general. n my work I use hypnosis to "synthesize" a meditative state, mostly by telling people to "relax away" all their ongoign stuff. (I have a How To at www.mbs-hypnoclinic.com if anyone wants to examine these ideas in detail).

What usually seems to happen is that peoplefirst shut down active interactions, then passive states of responding, and finally they turn off all inner processes and go into some kind of hypersace. I've been there, but have no good description The Upanshads mention "dreamless sleep" which is close.

After doing this kind of work for a few years, I find that I go into trance with everyone, and my mind is simply silent in that state.  In fact, unless I'm using it, my mind is usually silent. I wonder how many others share this state, either in everyday life, or in meditation.
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 4:17pm
 
No.

I figure that God and our higher selves can think as much as they want, so why not us?

The key is where your is attention focused, and how to you define yourself.

One time while meditating, I noticed that my mind is something I can use, but it isn't me. At the time I basically didn't feel like anything, except like a spacious energy/awareness being. In a way, I felt kind of naked, because I couldn't find a way to identify myself.

A blank state of mind doesn't necessarilly connect you to God. It just means that you aren't thinking of anything. The key thing is to get rid of the false ideas and attachments that keep your energy from connecting to him.

I find that when kundalini is really flowing, what you're thinking doesn't really matter. Rather, and simlilar to the above paragraph, it is more a matter of how you're limiting and defining yourself.
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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 4:27pm
 
  Recoverer wrote, "A blank state of mind doesn't necessarilly connect you to God. It just means that you aren't thinking of anything. The key thing is to get rid of the false ideas and attachments that keep your energy from connecting to him."

 
Really like the above statement Albert.  That is something i've come to understand in the years since i started meditating.

  When i first meditated, i used a Yoga technique back in middle school, after some forms.  Then a bit later i read Three Pillars of Zen which gave some good meditation tips.

  Then i followed the Cayce readings, which basically outlined what you said above.   The goal of meditation is not necessarily no mind, but rather a focused intent on something you want to bring in.  Its like "habits", no one can get rid of a bad habit, without replacing it with a better habit that is desired.

  In meditation, first i pray, then i empty myself and when i have some semblance of quietness and stillness, i then fill myself self up with what i call Love energy, then direct that out to the rest of Creation.   Then i thank the Is for giving me this existence to know and express the Is, myself, and know others (all the same really). 

  Sometimes i use hemi-sync, sometimes not, depends on what i feel led to do.

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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 5:07pm
 
Dave:

Sorry for responding without first reading your post. But I read the subject line, and an immediate response came to me.

Similar to the below part of your post, occasionally while meditating, I'll click out and go into a thoughtless state. I can't really say what goes on. It sort of happens automatically. My kundalinin energy will really get going, I try to experience myself from a beingness standpoint, and before I know it, without trying to, I  click out.

I wonder what kind of effect such clicking out has on you.


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and go into some kind of hypersace. I've been there, but have no good description The Upanshads mention "dreamless sleep" which is close.

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Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 5:13pm
 
I sort of pray. Before I meditate, I put my hands together and give obeisance to God, my higher self, and my guides. I do the same at the end of meditaition.

Regarding hemi-sync, in what manner does it make your meditation different than at other times, if at all?

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 In meditation, first i pray, then i empty myself and when i have some semblance of quietness and stillness, i then fill myself self up with what i call Love energy, then direct that out to the rest of Creation.   Then i thank the Is for giving me this existence to know and express the Is, myself, and know others (all the same really).  


 Sometimes i use hemi-sync, sometimes not, depends on what i feel led to do.

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Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 6:08pm
 
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After doing this kind of work for a few years, I find that I go into trance with everyone, and my mind is simply silent in that state.  In fact, unless I'm using it, my mind is usually silent. I wonder how many others share this state, either in everyday life, or in meditation.


Hi Dave,

When working at the more subtle levels my mind is very clear and silent... observation / listening mode I guess I'd say although I can use it if I choose.  In normal everyday activities my mind is like this as well except I've noticed there isn't as much clarity.  Only when my mind is silent do I experience clear, full color visions such as during meditation.  If my mind is cluttered with thoughts information doesn't get through as easily.

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Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 6:38pm
 
The mind can reach a state of extreme quietness in many types of meditation.  For me there is a certain point at which I feel what I can only call "awareness" that I have reached a kind of "still place" -- and I can feel almost a sense of surprise at it simultaneously -- it is a sense of recognition with no thought -- perhaps that is simply my observer noting that I have reached a point of extraordinary comfort -- and at times I might "blank out" during a guided meditation -- and at times the body will call me back to notice something.  

This "silence" that occurs I would describe as a state of profound stillness and safety. In ordinary wakefulness I think we are naturally somewhat vigilant and rarely experience this, although we can daydream, and suddenly notice that we were "there"  --  I don't really know what that state is, to tell you the truth.  

Another interesting thing is that I can be very "still" and feel the "quiet mind" and yet amazing things can happen at the same time in my field of vision -- this is spontaneous and I don't know where it originates.

I have to say that different meditation techniques do have different effects, but I believe that still awareness is a common effect of any of them.  I don't really enjoy sitting in silence, so I don't do it.  But each to their own.

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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 6:54pm
 
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Regarding hemi-sync, in what manner does it make your meditation different than at other times, if at all?  


 
Not really different per se now.  When i first started to use H.-S. i had been meditating for awhile, and never had a problem with going deep, or quieting my mind.  Have always had a very focused, concentrative mind-set will little monkey chatter.

 But, i clearly remember one of the first times i used "Higher" (Metamusic Hemi sync)...boy, that was intense.   Got this awesome warm rising expanding feeling with pure joy, peace, and Oneness.

 I had experienced deep peace, and joy before that, but never got such a feeling of energy movement before.  

That "state" i've heard, is one that is much more common amongst those who have meditated deeply and consistently for years, and thats the aweseom potential benefit of Hemi-Sync...   It faciliates that unified feeling, etc. more quickly and efficiently.

 Sometimes now when i use H.-S., it is just for sheer practical purposes, like if there are any loud distractions..  Its nice to have the headphones and music going then... Other times, for whatever reason i just choose to use it, and often i don't.

 But like Bruce and others have mentioned, once your brain and very beingness learn those states of awareness, you don't need the H.-S. anymore, but just try to remember the feeling that was associated with that Consciousness, and it seems to automatically bring that into focus again.

 Great stuff and many thanks Monroe...  Lol i know i said i didn't like your first book much, but TMI, Hemi-Sync, and your last 2 books are a God-send! Smiley  And in some ways, i believe beyond what the A.R.E and Cayce have accomplished (though E.C. and A.R.E really "paved" the way for much in general).

 I have often wondered why the A.R.E doesn't do more stuff like TMI, or advocate TMI's technology or programs?   They have psychic classes and all that, but they don't seem to place too much emphasis on trying to and teaching others to explore more on their own.  This is something i really like about TMI.

Its not like the A.R.E is unfamilar with OBE or anything like that, heck 80 plus years ago people were asking Cayce about their OBE experiences, seeing auras, getting in touch with guides, and all kinds of stuff.

I've advocated Hemi-Sync and talked about Monroe, Moen, Rosie, TMI's programs etc. before at a couple of Cayce forums, but no one seems much interested...Lol and they really don't like it when i talk about "E.T." experiences...   Its too bad, cause when you mix the two (TMI and authors associtated with it and Cayce rdg. and A.R.E.), it seems to be a pretty good belief system concoction--good compliments in a lot of ways..

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Reply #8 - Nov 20th, 2005 at 9:33am
 
The idea of silent hyperspace is interesting.

Something about that "makes sense" to me. But I don't get there very often. Never, in waking! except for those special moments when, for instance, I see something that take sme breathe away...like the night after a summer thunderstorm, out in the country (no streetlights), we came around the bend on a country road to view a bazillion fireflies enjoying the evening...like falling into the Milkyway. There are no words to describe that.

Sometimes when I have had obe-type "sleep" experiences, I think I pass through a silent hyperspace, so I sometimes try to go there when I use hemisync, butit's not the same.

Recently took my son for an hour-long Reiki session (as a present...he's still young enough that I now think a good Swedish massage would have been better...reiki is subtle...but I keep trying to introduce him tothis stuff).  We had not previously met the practioner but had been to the store where they have space for stuff like this. She was very nice. Room was set up for reiki, dimly lit, decorations to set mood, etc. She had music playing, but I had brought a music tape with hemisync and asked if she would use that. She was readily agreeable even though she didn't know that tape. I chose to stay and sit on the floor against the wall and I thought I would just listen to the tape (sorry its a CD I'm dating myself!) and veg out. I went to the hyperspace..not entirely silent, but for me close...I know I'm mentally/emotionally in a hyperspace, but I have trouble doing that alone. Does the presence of others help? Maybe the reikli person pulled me there. I have been there in group meditations before. Or maybe this is a different hyperspace than yours, but I like calling it a hyperspace. Later when I asked the reiki person if she liked the music, she said it worked fine and mentioned she was thinking of purchasing a new TMI CD that has shamnic music, which interestd her, with hemisync.

I'm not sure we are all talking about the same thing. We don't seem to yet have developed a way to both honor individual variations and still talk about a common experience.
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Reply #9 - Nov 21st, 2005 at 11:30am
 
Thank you for the response Justin.

Despite the fact that at this point it doesn't seem like hemisync is something I need, I wanted to know what efffect it has. Right now it seems best that I continue to remove whatever barriers I place between me and God.
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Reply #10 - Nov 21st, 2005 at 11:37am
 
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Thank you for the response Justin.

Despite the fact that at this point it doesn't seem like hemisync is something I need, I wanted to know what efffect it has. Right now it seems best that I continue to remove whatever barriers I place between me and God.


Your welcome.  Yep, i agree, whatever floats your boat eh  Wink  (LOL see, i can write short replies! Grin)
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Reply #12 - Nov 21st, 2005 at 1:22pm
 
  Hey thanks for the link to the article Lucy.  Boston's a pretty kool place for a city, use to live near there.
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Reply #13 - Nov 21st, 2005 at 10:30pm
 
Hmmm - npot too bad. About 10% readers responded, and of them about half experience the "sound of silence" as Helena Blavatsky used to call it.  The others seem to experience hemi-synch, which I strongly suspect puts people into a subjectively silent state.

After a few more thoughts on the subject, I realized that what I was asking is whether others were meditating at the point of interpretation, a symbolic derivation of reality, or at the point of causality, a state in which there are no interpretations, no words, no thoughts, just experience.  This is along the path in the direction toward samadhi, but isn't there yet.

Kathy gave an excellent description of his this kind of thing works.  My thought is to proceed along the same path throuh "artificial means" (hypnosis, which is what hemi-synch amounts to). The number who seem to have found a higher levelof self through hemi-sych suggests that this has merit. Back to the lab.

Thanks for the data, folks.

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Reply #14 - Nov 22nd, 2005 at 12:16am
 
Dave wrote, Quote:
After a few more thoughts on the subject, I realized that what I was asking is whether others were meditating at the point of interpretation, a symbolic derivation of reality, or at the point of causality, a state in which there are no interpretations, no words, no thoughts, just experience.  This is along the path in the direction toward samadhi, but isn't there yet. 


Hi Dave and all,

  This is just a kind of general throwing it out there, and speaking out loud my thoughts.  I strongly agree with Bruce's interpretation on this one.  He talks about the "void", and how a lot of meditational and mystery belief systems are geared towards this void state.  Bruce seems to believe that its the balance between the void, pure perceiver awareness, and the active, interpreter awareness, which is truly effective...

  I've spent my whole life coming to this same conclusion...that one without the other isn't much effective, and its the union of the two which faciliates strength and eventual completion, or as you called it samadhi.  Its a fine balancing act, and it seems very few can hold the balance...

Its a big clue when Monroe runs into the most mature and evolved person living in his space/time (the 1800 year old), he senses a perfect balance between the masculine and feminine--and so can't really tell the difference since he is perceiving this being more from an energy perspective...

  By the inherent nature of Eastern cultures, they have over-emphasized the passive, pure perceiving, and Right brain aspect of "God"....  The void....

  By the inherent nature of Western culture, they have over emphasized the active, interpreting, and Left brain aspect...

Neither one has it quite right by itself.  I also relate this to what i call absolute reality, and relativistic reality...  Left brain/Masculine/Active/Expanding principle is the relativistic reality, and Right brain/Feminine/Passive/Contractive principle is the absolute reality....and combined, or merged--yet perceived as they are, different yet One, it is THE Reality--the reality that Light Beings (Masters) exist and function from...

  In meditation, i rather like the void, and use to think that was the goal of meditation...pure accepting, pure perceiving, pure just being (this relates to the Heart and 2nd Chakra)...  Then i realized that this was only half, and the other half, though more emphasized in some respects in our culture and ELS in general...was just as important (relates to the Third eye, or Brow Chakra and the Solar Plexus).  The Crown is the perfect balance of all major harmonics, and the perfect balance between the Masculine and Feminine...

  Now, for me, the void is just a stopping off point to center and empty myself...it helps to facilitate and attract the pure positive and active energy which is Light itself...  To me, Light is really just PUL in action, and feeling/experiencing PUL is the passive, feminine part...

  Interestingly, a person recently accused me of having polarity issues, and problems with the masculine--feminine balance...  I just laughed and said yeah, but any one who isn't completely Source immersed has this polarity issue.   I haven't yet met a "He/She" in physical, and haven't yet sensed this pure White Light emanation which accompanies such a Source resonator and transmitter...

  My teacher, who i've met in dream state is there (he'll be showing later in-physical, not yet the right time), but you know how dreams are...often quite filtered, and distorted once brought through the physical transducer known as the "brain"..

  See, the funny thing is, is that people who are primarily Right brained in expression, and function from that believe that this is the way, or path to Source.  Some have preached to me, pure acceptance, which to me translates to pure passiveness (such people are also very feminine,a nd often "peace at a price" types).  While i believe this aspect is very important, again its only half of the pie.

Others who are primiarly Left brained say, think and act your way there...and again, its just half of the pie.

  I have met very few who seem (from my viewpoint) to truly and holistically understand that its both simultaneously, which faciliates us fully remembering and being Source, and Creator Gods.

  Thats the true duality, that its not either--or, but both, and since each one is so different, how could it be both?   Its paradoxal or contradictory nature just slips out of our mental grasp, and even more importantly out of how we actually live our life.... even how we meditate....why can't we keep the balance?  Because we lack pure PUL, and don't give this consistently enough...yet we could....

  Everyone i met is made up of both positive and negative force/charge, but everyone i've met is predominantly one or the other, and they all think their way is right...lol and they are right, just only half right! 

  Will the truly Unified beings please stand up?  Are any hanging out here? 
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