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Berserk2 Super Member Offline Posts: 844 Gender:	Re: Why Dead Loved Ones Don't Contact Us Reply #90 - Mar 25^th, 2010 at 9:28pm Pat, Yikes! Does that make me a New Age groupie? Maybe I should read Tom Campbell. Don
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Reply #91 - Mar 26^th, 2010 at 1:41am

Berserk2 wrote on Mar 25^th, 2010 at 9:28pm:

Pat,

Yikes! Does that make me a New Age groupie? Maybe I should read Tom Campbell.

Don

Well Don the bible does not permit we of the mortal realm to contact the living. If they could they would have to take on the burden of mortal life that they have just been freed from

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Aras Full Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 104 Seattle Gender:	Re: Why Dead Loved Ones Don't Contact Us Reply #92 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 2:14am My daughter passed 8 years ago. She would contact me 3 times a week...later 1 time a week... later 1-2 times a month... then every 2 months.. now it's about every 6 months... so it seems that as they get farther away.. the less they visit.
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Reply #93 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 2:36am

Our passed loved ones want to be there for us, but at the same time they know we have to move on and live our lives. The medium I spoke with told me exactly that coming from my dead loved one, they said "live your life."

They want us to move on and LIVE... EXPERIENCE... ENJOY.
(Not be hampered by constant memories of the past and of what happened.)

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Reply #94 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 2:43am

Alan, actually if you ask most Jehova's Witnesses, Catholics, and possibly many sects of Christians, they will quote parts of the bible that tell you that if you try to contact the dead you are a ... er... witch....(not that word but word to that effect) and are evil.

I have actually seen these quoted scriptures in the bible so I know they exist. The bible is pretty cut and dry on this one. No contact with the dead, no being gay, no sodomy etc.

Then again... the one guy in the bible took his sheep and put them near a striped fence and the sheep became striped like the fence. <----- ACTUAL SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE!!!!!

So yeah.... I have no respect for the Bible. (I personally feel was a book created 100% by man as a means of religious control.)

GEN 30:25-43

JACOB'S 'SCHEME' TO MULTIPLY SPOTTED SHEEP - DOES IT CONTRADICT TRUE SCIENCE?

(v. 37) Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches.

(v. 38) Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink,

(v. 39) they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.

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Reply #95 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 6:00am

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Alan, actually if you ask most Jehova's Witnesses, Catholics, and possibly many sects of Christians, they will quote parts of the bible that tell you that if you try to contact the dead you are a ... er... witch....(not that word but word to that effect) and are evil.

I have actually seen these quoted scriptures in the bible so I know they exist. The bible is pretty cut and dry on this one. No contact with the dead, no being gay, no sodomy etc.

Then again... the one guy in the bible took his sheep and put them near a striped fence and the sheep became striped like the fence. <----- ACTUAL SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE!!!!!

So yeah.... I have no respect for the Bible. (I personally feel was a book created 100% by man as a means of religious control.)

GEN 30:25-43

JACOB'S 'SCHEME' TO MULTIPLY SPOTTED SHEEP - DOES IT CONTRADICT TRUE SCIENCE?

(v. 37) Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches.

(v. 38) Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink,

(v. 39) they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.

You should more consider the Bible out of date. It does have several things which I think you could grasp and apply to your life, but you must consider that 1) Much of the Bible was adapted for the minds of that time and was easier for them to access than us and 2) Many things that seem strange and to not make sense actually contain deeper meanings through metaphor.

You don't need the Bible to experience the love of god, but it does have some good teachings and fundamental truths.

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Reply #96 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 6:37am

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Alan, actually if you ask most Jehova's Witnesses, Catholics, and possibly many sects of Christians, they will quote parts of the bible that tell you that if you try to contact the dead you are a ... er... witch....(not that word but word to that effect) and are evil.

I have actually seen these quoted scriptures in the bible so I know they exist. The bible is pretty cut and dry on this one. No contact with the dead, no being gay, no sodomy etc.

Then again... the one guy in the bible took his sheep and put them near a striped fence and the sheep became striped like the fence. <----- ACTUAL SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE!!!!!

So yeah.... I have no respect for the Bible. (I personally feel was a book created 100% by man as a means of religious control.)

GEN 30:25-43

JACOB'S 'SCHEME' TO MULTIPLY SPOTTED SHEEP - DOES IT CONTRADICT TRUE SCIENCE?

(v. 37) Jacob, however, took fresh-cut branches from poplar, almond and plane trees and made white stripes on them by peeling the bark and exposing the white inner wood of the branches.

(v. 38) Then he placed the peeled branches in all the watering troughs, so that they would be directly in front of the flocks when they came to drink. When the flocks were in heat and came to drink,

(v. 39) they mated in front of the branches. And they bore young that were streaked or speckled or spotted.

I know all of this why post it to me?

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Reply #97 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 9:34am

Alan ---- I am very sorry I thought you said the opposite in your post, I misread it. I shouldn't be on this board late at night....!!!!

StoneCold ---- I agree, the bible has some good points which are written terribly and very outdated. I highly recommend many more recent books which are much better. (I could easily write a better book than the bible and make it way easier to read.) In FACT many translations of the bible are just that... - the original text is changed to much and made into completely different words that people understand and in many cases if you read an original translation you can easily see the newer dumbified translation is completely and utterly different than the original. The translation about love is kind love is etc. is one of them. The original translation of the bible is completely different (and frankly, SUCKS compared to the newer one.)

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Reply #98 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 4:49pm

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Alan ---- I am very sorry I thought you said the opposite in your post, I misread it. I shouldn't be on this board late at night....!!!!

StoneCold ---- I agree, the bible has some good points which are written terribly and very outdated. I highly recommend many more recent books which are much better. (I could easily write a better book than the bible and make it way easier to read.) In FACT many translations of the bible are just that... - the original text is changed to much and made into completely different words that people understand and in many cases if you read an original translation you can easily see the newer dumbified translation is completely and utterly different than the original. The translation about love is kind love is etc. is one of them. The original translation of the bible is completely different (and frankly, SUCKS compared to the newer one.)

If you agree that you can write a more inspirational book than the Bible, then why don't you? This could give your life great purpose and will also create purpose for many others. One of the most important things we must consider in our lives is to strive and assist the world and our fellow man and woman while we are here.

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Reply #99 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 5:22pm

Because it wouldn't make any difference. I could go down to the hand me down book store and buy hundreds of books that are way better than the bible but it doesn't add up to a hill of beans to anyone cause the bible is... well... the bible. The bible is the win against any other book because of it's stupid power it has over people that think it is the "one."

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Reply #100 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 7:38pm

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Because it wouldn't make any difference. I could go down to the hand me down book store and buy hundreds of books that are way better than the bible but it doesn't add up to a hill of beans to anyone cause the bible is... well... the bible. The bible is the win against any other book because of it's stupid power it has over people that think it is the "one."

But is there not a significance to it if it gives these people a sense of understanding, comfort, and connection to god? That's all it means. It doesn't matter WHAT form it takes, only that it finds that connection with someone. Every person experiences life in their own reality. We are connected, but we are not the same. People which get something from the Bible are experiencing as they need to experience. Like me, you need to find something which connects with you beyond what you have already been introduced to. Once you have found that, you will understand why the Bible exists and why it must exist.

The more you keep searching the more you will find. And perhaps writing that book will seem more and more like a good idea.

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Reply #101 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 8:30pm

Alan: "Well Don the bible does not permit we of the mortal realm to contact the living."

Alan, this statement makes no sense. I assume your real claim is this: the Bible excludes the possibility that discarnate humans can contact incarnate humans. That claim is false. Moses and Elijah return from the heavenly realms to be with Jesus and 3 disciples on the mount of Transfiguration. The Catholic Old Testament reports a vision in which the long dead prophet Jeremiah and the recently dead high priest Onias appear in a vision to assure the Jewish freedom fighters that God will help them liberate themselves from the occupying Syrian Greek armies (see 1-2 Maccabees),

The Bible acknowledges the legitimacy of ADCs and OBEs, but denies the legitimacy of mediumship. Notice how recent posts of biblically illiterate New Agers rudely trash Christians and their Bible—anything to avoid the hard work of addressing my devastating critique of channeling on my other thread.

By the way, there is no striped “fence” in Genesis 30 and Jacob’s ignorance of inbreeding as the way striped shoep are bred is not a word from God. In any case, I don't believe in biblical inerrancy.

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Reply #102 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 8:53pm

Berserk2 wrote on Mar 27^th, 2010 at 8:30pm:

Alan: "Well Don the bible does not permit we of the mortal realm to contact the living."

Alan, this statement makes no sense. I assume your real claim is this: the Bible excludes the possibility that discarnate humans can contact incarnate humans. That claim is false. Moses and Elijah return from the heavenly realms to be with Jesus and 3 disciples on the mount of Transfiguration. The Catholic Old Testament reports a vision in which the long dead prophet Jeremiah and the recently dead high priest Onias appear in a vision to assure the Jewish freedom fighters that God will help them liberate themselves from the occupying Syrian Greek armies (see 1-2 Maccabees),

The Bible acknowledges the legitimacy of ADCs and OBEs, but denies the legitimacy of mediumship. Notice how recent posts of biblically illiterate New Agers rudely trash Christians and their Bible—anything to avoid the hard work of addressing my devastating critique of channeling on my other thread.

By the way, there is no striped “fence” in Genesis 30 and Jacob’s ignorance of inbreeding as the way striped shoep are bred is not a word from God. In any case, I don't believe in biblical inerrancy.

I realize I wasn't 100% accurate there but the point is still the same that nothing which he did would actually have an effect on sheep and the outcome of them.

P.S. I personally hate the bible utterly and completely. So many people have died and have been persecuted and killed in the name of God that I doubt anyone here on this board - including me - would be able to fathom the amount of lives lost and shattered in the name of God and religion.

As a final note I am going to from now on stay away from any bible related posts and keep myself out of it and not bring it up at all.... just to be nice to everyone on the board. Because I have nothing nice to say about it.

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Reply #103 - Mar 27^th, 2010 at 10:45pm

Whether it is astral exploration, supernatural spiirtual gifts, or Christianity, the most worthwhile areas for a spiritual quest have their ghastly counterfeits. So don't just Christians by their worst examplars. To do so, is to embrace the mentality that inspires racism. Remember, Jesus taught us to love everyone, even our enemies, unconditionally as ourselves.

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