Well, I do have to agree with Don that there are some on the site that show themselves as being bipolar or perhaps even slightly out of balance mentally. That said, personal attacks aren't needed. Its about time that everyone realised that the Bible is just a bunch of stories. Mostly not worth the paper they are written on. If a person as devoted to this rag mag as Don can express his belief that the first 11 chapters are myth, then he must be able to except that much of the rest fits in the same classification. This is not a Bible thumping site Don. Its about the afterlife. You can keep your repetitive cherished religious convictions, but they are no more valued information than Alans input. Off Subject is the place where both of you twos comments should be placed in my opinion. I don't think anyone has come here looking to be converted to Christianity. They are here looking for answers, or expressing ideas regarding the afterlife.
(Does a bi Eskimo who has spent time at both the north pole and the south pole become bipolar?)   

In the light of letting the truth out, feel free to discount my posts because:

* Years ago I had a week long, gradually fading drug psychosis. Still might be some crazy left. Anyways, the kettle with the ikea furniture is almost done. Didn't like 'em so had to boil 'em. Makes sense. But damn, it's good workmanship, both the furniture and getting it into a kettle.

* I've been suicidal. Cut the vein area both the wrong and the right way. Walked into the winter sea. The body has dangled like a loose tooth waiting to be released. Failed, obviously. What a failure - couldn't even kill "myself".

* I've listened to tons of black metal/satanic metal. It lessened my fear of the dark. But if you're christian, that might be worth to take into consideration. Being inspired by an idea Nanner put forth to me; it might be wise to just skip reading my posts.

* I am bipolar - well, it also means having two poles - I've got both light and dark in me and it's not balanced the way I'd like.

Removed by Alan

Now you can discuss the topic without my input

Quote:


Do not turn to mediums or spiritists; do not seek them out to be defiled by them. I am the LORD your God.
Leviticus 19:31 (NAV)

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that [would come] from thence.
Luke 16:25-26  (KJV)

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Don,

Perhaps the person we are in the physical world, after a period of postmortem adjustment in non-physical reality, no longer exists as the same person that they were.  The "database" of consciousness of this person and all of the probabilities either actualized or not actualized would still exist, however, the person we knew in ELS would no longer exist because of the postmortem transformation.

In non-physical reality we don't have a body and we are no longer subject to the laws of physics that govern the ELS so it would seem that alone would constitute a dramatic change in perspective.  If there is preexistence of the soul and we (our physical reality consciousness) is an extension of the soul, then perhaps we are only a tiny piece of consciousness that became aware of ELS and upon permanently (not as in a NDE) leaving ELS our awareness / memory of the earth life we lived falls away for one reason or another including that of evolution of consciousness. 

I might add... this doesn't necessarily mean that we lose our identity, but that our identity is transformed because in ELS we only, or at least mostly identify with the physical world that no longer exists for us.

Kathy

Whatever. I'm done with words. Silence is much much better.

Alan McDougall wrote on Mar 29^th, 2010 at 9:29am:

Here's a good link. 

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?num=1391774978/0#4