In George Stone's "Most of us won't like the afterlife" post, Richard mentioned a "bully's hell."
Now, I've never been a bully, although I suppose I had a few lapses into "bully behavior" (never systematic though) as a kid (which I'm not proud of, BTW... I was also cruel to animals as a kid (displaced aggression?) which I'm REALLY not proud of.)
Mostly, though, I had to DEAL with the f**kers. I was a chubby kid with glasses... and it didn't help that I got beaten up IN FRONT OF MY DAD (a macho Vietnam combat veteran!) when I was about 12. The way my dad reacted, I don't think I've ever really got over this.
Perhaps part of my "soul" is still stuck there..?
I finally got busy about learning to defend myself, mentally and physically. But the trouble is... it has been a CONSCIOUS ("spirit") effort, all the way!!!
Here's what really worries me. I have done some martial arts training (and some boxing as a kid, which my dad got me into.) I am highly skilled with a handgun, and have fair skill in things like simple weapons design and improvisation (a hobby of mine) and combative style knife throwing (a favorite pastime of mine.) I have a buddy who is my sometime "sparring partner" (he's a rookie cop, I'm helping him "sharpen up...")
When I die, I fear I will be dropped into a "bully's hell" or "criminal's hell" of some kind, for use as a "victim", due to the fact that I have always had a nervous temperament.
Will I at least be able to call upon some of my skills I learned (and continue to practice!) if I land in such a place, to at least make the scumbags look elsewhere for a target? (In my dreams, when I am confronted by an a-hole, I DO hit back... unlike the way I behaved as a kid..!)
Or (if the mind-fracture theory is correct, and I lose my rational mind after my death, per Novak...)
Am I doomed to play somebody's torture b*tch for the next 40 million years or so, as I'll be too confused to defend myself? (*NOTE* I still don't like confrontations, and get those "stew-gut" and "sick in the chest" feelings in dicey situations... a BAD, BAD sign I think...)
THAT would be FAR worse than oblivion, IMHO!
Anybody learned any "facts" about this sort of
situation, in their astral (or otherwise) explorations, or reading materials?

B-man

Hi, Chumley,

I am probably wrong but while reading your posting I had the feeling that you lacked "Love" in your life as a child which has led you to seemingly become the underdog and now have to fight back to reassert your position in society.

You say:- (*NOTE* I still don't like confrontations, and get those "stew-gut" and "sick in the chest" feelings in dicey situations... a BAD, BAD sign I think...)
Can I ask, how often and why do you find yourself in confrontational situations?
Perhaps the answer lies there if you look in on yourself.

You have acquired some very good skills. Why not think about putting these to GOOD use by setting up, for example, a club which teaches youngsters the art of self defence. I certainly do not advocate the use of guns or knives, which are forever becoming more of a problem even here in the U.K.

Do this with REAL LOVE in your heart and I`m sure your attitude will change and your fears will disappear.

With best wishes,
roger

Quote:


Like attracts like. Same in the afterlife, even more so.

Namaste`
Mairlyn

Take it from a veteran who is still has friends dying in Iraq: Put your weapons down and focus on Pure Unconditional Love. You don't need them, and the fact that this whole thing is bothering you should be a sign to you that you are not being who you really are, you are not doing what you should be doing, and you will not be happy until you find your real self and start following your life plan and using the spiritual gifts you came here with. Reject fear and embrace PUL.

Bob

It isn't easy to get into a hell. If it were, we would all be there and no one would be out here.

The quickest way into a hell is to discover that you like to hurt people (others or self) and to therefore do it over and over and build up an energy dynamic. Then when you died, you would be drawn to a similar dynamic in the hell.

From your description, you should carefully consider Moen's description of Fires of Hell and what they do. If you are finding yourself in such a situation, simply resisting, being a stand-up guy, refusing to be what you were and facing what you were  placed here to face would be the way out.

There are other hells. Lots of them. There is a hell with only two people in it. There are minor hells and ones so black that light can only travel a few feet before being swallowed up. All of them are there because people chose to be there. Don't spend all your time dreaming about being a super hero. That was an ugly one.

No one is going to put you in a hell. If you go, it will be because you want to be there. The hell with only two people has one of them (B) there because he wanted to badly be like the other (A)  but was afraid. So B became the audience and light for A  to bask in. So B dies a horrible death over and over and then A suffers because his audience is gone until B returns to do it all over again.

B was swallowed by a snake at least 6-8 feet in diameter and well over a hundred feet long. "A" teased it awake and then danced out of the way. B was rooted to the ground with terror as the snake pounced on him. "A" makes his home in the throat of a giant sleeping monster. He lets it taste him and slightly rouse from sleep. Just enough that it doesn't swallow. But he missed B being there to watch and praise his courge.

My paternal grandfather is in a hell. He is in good and solid. But my paternal grandmother was there too. She was there because she was totally passive to him in life and, so, became so in death. I think they were able to pull her out based on her response to me but I haven't actually seen her. I was on my way to see her in a hospital but it began to rain.

There is nothing wrong with teaching young people how to handly weapons properly. The crime rate for such young people is practically zero compared with those raised by people afraid of weapons. And don't let anyone kid you. The "I would never touch a gun because I love everyone and guns are bad" liberals have their own hell right next to the new one recently set up for gang bangers and street drug  hustlers. The one of only two places I was ever shot while on the other side was in a heaven and by the leader becaused I refused to leave. I don't recommend it. I was in a B.S.T. where neighbors were arming themselves with shotguns against some approaching threat. But I couldn't ask why since I was soul riding the person in the B.S.T. and I was under suspicion anyway for not acting "right". Guns aren't terribly common on the other side in my experience. Except the military company B.S.T. of course. They had armor, machine guns, etc.

I was in the gang banger hell just the other day. A rescue helper took me in to use as a "lure" like a fisherman trolls a lure on a line behind the boat. Try walking down a street with 50+ guys on porches and sidewalks tracking you with their eyes and unarmed. I was wishing for a science fiction type phaser rifle. But not a one made a single move. I don't know what I looked like to them but they were very wary of me.

And in answer to your question, what is a polite person doing in Bully's hell? I was looking at the road maps at the entrance door to the diner. They had PA, MD, and VA. They were on sheets of metal like copper with holes drilled for the towns and the roads engraved on the surface. I never saw anything like that before. Makes sense since random vandalism must have a high rate there.

Someone in a closed booth began throwing out a glass, plate, silverware onto the floor for the waitress to pick up. Since they landed near me, I bent over to pick them up one by one and place them on a table next to me. A 30's black man came out of the closed booth, saw me, got a big grin on his face and said, "I smell bacon!", and advanced on me (probable prison type slang; it was obvious what he meant).  I had had enough at that point and began stalking towards him, my anger level rising. His grin changed to terror and he began to back away. A coward at heart and probably who I was sent in to scout for Fires of Hell to pull out.

I typically get sent into rural hell areas since sync-ing in the cities is too hard and the people most likely to be ready to be gotten out are in the marginal rural areas.

Yes, it was a hollow heaven. They were setting up for a commual meal. I was invited out but I chose to take a chair in the middle of the room, sit down, and refuse to leave.

In another hollow heaven I roamed the church, which all activities revolved around, but I couldn't sync. I doubt anyone knew I was there.

What happens to refusnics? I assume you have read Bruce's books? When you no longer have the hell, heaven, B.S.T. dynamic, you are automatically exspelled. That is what I mean by sync. If one can not synronize to the B.S.T. energy pattern you can't detect it or take part in in.

The Liberals (I should have capitalized it in the previous usage) are just down the street from the gang bangers. The gang bangers were not armed. The Liberals were. But the guns didn't work. One woman shot directly into the street crowd with a revolver without any effect.

Hells are NOT punishment. Their purpose is to correct error (see "A Course in Miraciles"; I really need a spell check). San Francisco just passed a law to remove handguns from the law abiding including door to door search and seizure. The criminals are throwing parties. Thus they disarm the sheep to assure the wolves are free to kill without any fear. They do this to support a fantasy world they have constructed in their minds about the nature of people. They couldn't care less about the real life damage they do. They close their minds to the terror people on the street experience. All that matters to them is their fantasy world.

In Liberal hell they will experience the terror they made others face and they will not be able to escape it. Over and over and over until the Liberal fantasy mind set collapses. Then they will be out.

Many of the people on this group would account themselves liberal in the old meaning of the word. But how many would account themselves Liberal? That is, so devoted to a viewpoint that they ignore the damage done to the lives of others in support of their ideas?

Capital Liberalism is a scism of Christanity and at its highest expression must have a hollow heaven. I can't say for sure because I will never be able to sync in and see it. People annoy the hell out of me from time to time but I don't live and breath raw hatred of them like Liberals do.

You can't let yourself get worked up about other's choices. They are living the lives their souls needed them to live. No matter how bad your life is, you can always find someone else that you would not exchange with.

Consider:

1) The fundamental basis of human life is "Free Will".
2) Free Will expresses itself through Choice.
3) Choice requires that there be choices that are _errors_ as well as choices that are _correct_. If all Choices were equal (the fundamental error of Multiculturalism), all outcomes would be equivalent and Free Will would be meaningless.
4) Thus _Error_ must exist and always be an option.

Just be glad you didn't choose error.