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Bloody palms dream
Nov 7^th, 2005 at 4:00pm

I didn't want to take over Vicky's thread, so I decided to start another one about bloody palms.

I dreamt that for whatever reason I was living with my parents. I came home from work and my dad expected me to work. He expected me to do this every night.

I told him, I don't have time to do the work he wants me to do. I work during the day, and at night I have something else to do. I showed him my palms which were bleeding in order to prove this.

Perhaps the point is that I do healings while asleep, without being conscious of doing so. Therefore, I can't be using up my energy to take care of more physical responsibilities than I usually take care of (a full time job, chores around the house, etc.).

By the way, usually I don't need a lot of sleep (6 hours at most), but Saturday night I slept for about 10 hours, and this morning my energy felt drained after I woke up. It was hard to muster up energy when I meditated.

Also, a couple of nights ago, I had a dream that related to healing a cousin of mine, and the actual healing was done after I woke up. I talked about it at Linn's forum (the grape thread).

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Reply #2 - Nov 8^th, 2005 at 4:46pm

Your dream/C1 experience is pretty interesting... I've haven't had quite that kind of experience, but i can relate to energy affecting the body in a very real way.

My Fiance and I were wrestling one time and she hit her head a bit, and before i even thought about it, i laughed. I felt bad after and i didn't mean to laugh at her pain, and i don't really know what struck me as funny about it.

Later on we went to bed and fell asleep for the night, when we woke up the pain in her head was gone, and my head hurt exactly where her head had been hit.. Lol talk about "instant karma".

Another time we did a "substance" together, which the Native Americans had used in ceremony and initiation... I approached it in that manner, and with respect, but Becky didn't.

During this experience i was having a great time, and got a really intense vision which answered some of my questions... Becky wasn't having such a good time, and she got a really bad head-ache... So i sat with her and held her head in my hands and meditated. Very shortly after she said the pain dissipated, but then a bit later i got a splitting head-ache which lasted for awhile.... So yeah, energy/thought/emotion etc. can and really does afffect the physical, and i very much believe you about your dream/healing experiences.

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Reply #3 - Nov 8^th, 2005 at 5:27pm

One thing I forgot to mention, my parents came to visit this past weekend, plus I visited my aunt. They all have physical problems. Especially my aunt. Perhaps there's a relationship as to why my energy was drained. It was a nice visit, so it wasn't something psychological.

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Your dream/C1 experience is pretty interesting... I've haven't had quite that kind of experience, but i can relate to energy affecting the body in a very real way.

My Fiance and I were wrestling one time and she hit her head a bit, and before i even thought about it, i laughed. I felt bad after and i didn't mean to laugh at her pain, and i don't really know what struck me as funny about it.

Later on we went to bed and fell asleep for the night, when we woke up the pain in her head was gone, and my head hurt exactly where her head had been hit.. Lol talk about "instant karma".

Another time we did a "substance" together, which the Native Americans had used in ceremony and initiation... I approached it in that manner, and with respect, but Becky didn't.

During this experience i was having a great time, and got a really intense vision which answered some of my questions... Becky wasn't having such a good time, and she got a really bad head-ache... So i sat with her and held her head in my hands and meditated. Very shortly after she said the pain dissipated, but then a bit later i got a splitting head-ache which lasted for awhile.... So yeah, energy/thought/emotion etc. can and really does afffect the physical, and i very much believe you about your dream/healing experiences.

Thanks for sharing

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Reply #4 - Nov 8^th, 2005 at 11:19pm

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One thing I forgot to mention, my parents came to visit this past weekend, plus I visited my aunt. They all have physical problems. Especially my aunt. Perhaps there's a relationship as to why my energy was drained. It was a nice visit, so it wasn't something psychological.

Yeah, i definitely would agree... Healer types often give out their energy, even if it is unconscious on their or both parts. Illness, dis-eased bodies radiate inharmonious, slow vibrating, and asymetrical energies, and a healer type takes in this energy, harmonizes and raises the vibration and sends it back out. But this takes some energy from the one doing the healing.

In the New Testament, there is a part where Yeshua is surrounded in a crowd, and a women who is ill, but afraid to ask for healing, gets close to the Master to touch him because she knows that if she can touch him, she will be healed.

In the chaos, she does this, and Yeshua loudly asks something like, "Who hath touched me, i felt some virtue (healing energy) go out from me?" The lady speaks up, and Yesh blesses her.

Interestingly, Cayce's Source said that even before Yeshua was conscious of his mission and his abilities, his body was so perfect and harmonious that even as an infant, people who touched his garments oft were healed of illness. Cayce's Source said, His body being perfect radiated health and that which is of life itself...

When older and when he healed consciously, after healing many, and in some cases instantaneously and "miracously", even he needed to rest and withdraw for a period.

I've had dreams where my Higher Self tells me that i need to get myself more intune, meditate more, need to eat "mummy food", and that when this happens my energy will heal almost automatically. Like what the Bible says of Peter, "his shadow passed them by, and they were healed."

But a good healer needs to heal themselves first before they can be really effective for others in a holistic way, and they need to know when not to heal since true healing doesn't always mean making someone physically whole again... Sometimes its realizing that the person has that specific illness for a higher purpose, and that they still need it for teaching purposes.

Yet when one can become a channel of healing like the Master, then this often goes beyond this, because it shows people what we are truly capable of and that sickness is in essence not necessary (only when it becomes necessary...), and only results when error is happening in either the physical, mental, and/or spiritual aspect of life. And these so called miracles often produce more long term healing for many by their very extreme nature and plain example of God among humankind.

This error aspect doesn't apply to those highly advanced Souls who take on a weak body for the express purpose of teaching others, and of being a willing and conscious "sacrifice" in a sense. Some of the "Indigo" children born with cancers, or aids fall into this category--in these cases, it is not karma or cause and effect (though there is cause and effect on the physical level).

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Reply #6 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 6:50pm

Hi Justin and recoverer,
I know this drained feeling mostly after retrievals I did when they are partly subconscious (I experience it as quick, not getting the whole story), strongest when I do more than one in one session. I always think this must be the wrong method I apply!? Recently I had a short experience that I was acting as an attractor of many stuck souls, supported by others who shone their light through me, and I was in a position to speak like a master, kinda "all you are ready, now is the time to go to the light, to me" or so, and I thought about people who were open enough to perceive something odd in their private environment, who had wishes that now appear to them as possible to become real.
Once I was led to a healer somewhere in middle-Europe (one of that kind of Monroes super-human) and he told me he would just remove blocks which he can see- it's more this information-providing healing without energy loss for the healer I think. He said many of the patients would come back to their old energy patterns, so they need psychological advice too.
What about the Reiki people? They say they work as channel and claim their energy is not affected with healing.
Bye, Spooky

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Reply #7 - Nov 9^th, 2005 at 9:04pm

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Hi Justin and recoverer,
I know this drained feeling mostly after retrievals I did when they are partly subconscious (I experience it as quick, not getting the whole story), strongest when I do more than one in one session. I always think this must be the wrong method I apply!? Recently I had a short experience that I was acting as an attractor of many stuck souls, supported by others who shone their light through me, and I was in a position to speak like a master, kinda "all you are ready, now is the time to go to the light, to me" or so, and I thought about people who were open enough to perceive something odd in their private environment, who had wishes that now appear to them as possible to become real.
Once I was led to a healer somewhere in middle-Europe (one of that kind of Monroes super-human) and he told me he would just remove blocks which he can see- it's more this information-providing healing without energy loss for the healer I think. He said many of the patients would come back to their old energy patterns, so they need psychological advice too.
What about the Reiki people? They say they work as channel and claim their energy is not affected with healing.
Bye, Spooky

Hi Spooky,

Its hard to explain how exactly energy works, especially talking about conduits of an individual Soul acting as a channel for The Fields energy... Not that there is loss of energy per se, but a friction of sorts which dissipates some of the energy off in other "directions" so to speak. Does this make sense?

Very few physically alive people can act as such a clear channel as not to have this resonant inharmony thing happen. Before Yeshua fully Ascended and recreated his body physical, into body celestial, when miraculously healing many in a short time, he became weak and tired.

None have consistently healed like him since, and the Reiki people have no clue when they make certain claims. There healings are a matter of moving some energy around here and there, minor adjustments... Anyone can do this, with a little practice... but....

Yeshua full blown blasted a person with Pure White Light many times more powerful and intense than the Solar energy/prana, and if the person was ready for it (on an unconscious level too), no matter what their condition, they would be made whole. He had no limits, but the ones the receivee placed on him. If someone was missing a leg, he could recreate one for them no problem.

I've looked into Reiki, and while i respect it and any healing modality, a lot of it seems to be unecessary and overly complex... First you have to learn all these symbols, and all these rituals.

A true healer uses only intention and thought and most importantly, their very attunement to the Infinite..., and there are only two main forces, and another main expression in the Universe. Positive (Active/Expanding) and Negative (Passive/contracting) force, and the potentially perfect balance between them...

All healing is about balance, and sometimes this means some of your vital energy goes in with the more channeled Universal energy to effect strong transmutation. If a healer is not open to sacrificing a bit, or using some of their own energy in the process regardless of what it does to them, they are not fit to be healers...and they are not healers in the true sense...

This is akin to being nice to others only when they are nice to you, there is no growth in that. Most can and do, do this. Namaste

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Reply #8 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 10:12am

I find the below paragraph interesting. As opposed to passing my hands over somebody whenever I've thought of healing them, I would first communicate to my higher self and ask for permission, and then use thought and intention. I would also first tune into my higher self and God as I did so.

As far as I know, I'm new at this, so at this point it's hard for me to say anything for certain.

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A true healer uses only intention and thought and most importantly, their very attunement to the Infinite..., and there are only two main forces, and another main expression in the Universe. Positive (Active/Expanding) and Negative (Passive/contracting) force, and the potentially perfect balance between them...

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Reply #9 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 11:27am

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I find the below paragraph interesting. As opposed to passing my hands over somebody whenever I've thought of healing them, I would first communicate to my higher self and ask for permission, and then use thought and intention. I would also first tune into my higher self and God as I did so.

As far as I know, I'm new at this, so at this point it's hard for me to say anything for certain.

What you said about tuning in, and asking permission is something i believe is very, very important for anyone involved with healing work.

No way Albert, from the kind of things you have intuited, and have said, you are no way new or a beginner at this--just maybe in this life so far. I wouldn't be surprised if you had some pattern in your Disk Self of being involved with healing. In your birth chart, if you have an emphasis on Virgo, Pisces, 6th, and/or 12th House dynamics, this would really indicate other live involvement with conscious healing. My chart shows this strongly, and even desribes my "last" and one of the predominant ones in my psyche very strongly.

I get the sense we might have worked together in this capacity and you have subconscious respect for me in this department, yet from other lives and this life some not too flattering thoughts/feelings. A brief look at your chart and a chart comparison would probably tell me right off.

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Reply #10 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 11:47am

Justin:

I don't know anything about astrology, but my birth date is 5-5-58.

Justin said: yet from other lives and this life some not too flattering thoughts/feelings.

Regarding the above, since you brought it up, sometimes I wonder if you read too much, as opposed to relying on experience. I understand that we can sometimes intuit things while reading. I also understand that perhaps somebody needs to map things out. But often it is better to figure things out inwardly, before devoting too much of one's effort to charting everything.

Additionally, during a part of my life, I was exposed to people who became spiritual teachers before they inwardly figured things out completely enough for themselves. Sometimes I wonder if this applies to you. When it comes to myself, I try to speak from my experience, and when I don't know, I'll say "I think," "I'm not certain, "My feeling," or something to that effect.

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Justin:

I don't know anything about astrology, but my birth date is 5-5-58.

Hi Recoverer, thanks for the info. Do you know where and exactly when you were born? That would help. I'm not "doing" your chart, i just want to look briefly at it and tell you if i get any strong impressions.. sometimes i pick up other life info from looking into a chart.

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Justin said: yet from other lives and this life some not too flattering thoughts/feelings.

Regarding the above, since you brought it up, sometimes I wonder if you read too much, as opposed to relying on experience. I understand that we can sometimes intuit things while reading. I also understand that perhaps somebody needs to map things out. But often it is better to figure things out inwardly, before devoting too much of one's effort to charting everything.

Additionally, during a part of my life, I was exposed to people who became spiritual teachers before they inwardly figured things out completely enough for themselves. Sometimes I wonder if this applies to you. When it comes to myself, I try to speak from my experience, and when I don't know, I'll say "I think," "I'm not certain, "My feeling," or something to that effect.

I respect your opinion and your experience, and i'm quite aware lately of how i've been coming off to others.

Albert, i'm 25 and i have much to learn and much more life to experience i'm sure. Yet i was born with a deep understanding of PUL from many aspects. My whole short life has been one of painful tempering to burn out the false self. Considering what i've gone through in a short period of time, i'm at a place now where i realize that others opinions or misperceptions of me, don't matter one diddly.. This is not saying that you are wrong and couldn't be correct.

Yet, i have signs along the way, like the merging into Sun dream... This is extremely symbolic, and in a sense literal... I am merging into my Sun/Higher Self, yet i'm not "there". I've spent a good part of my life lately in service to others on various levels. And i very much do try to practice what i preach, though like most sometimes i fall of the Spirit wagon so to speak. My last job was working as an in-home care assistent for the elderly, and being an empathic person, it wasn't always easy...and sometimes i wanted to quit cause i always got the hard and difficult jobs that nobody esle wanted--like Joe (who was rich, and had been quite influential and a power figure) who had dementia who would scream at me the 8 or 12 hours i usually was there and a couple of times take a swing at me, but i set aside my little self because i knew that some of my fellow co-workers didn't give much of a crap and just though of it as an easy, lazy job of watching t.v. Or my friend John who when i first met him was doing pretty decently physically and mentally, but then when he found out his house was sold, i saw him waste away and become despondant...and many of the people around me, including my employer kept saying that he was "playing games" looking for attention when he was being difficult, or couldn't do certain things like shower or go to the bathroom on his own... Yet, right after i quit because of a major move, he died. I knew he wasn't just playing games, and the cruelty and lack of compassion around him really affected him... A couple of others and i were the only ones that treated him with decency and compassion...

Should i not talk about what i sense or know because of not being fully enlightend? Maybe, but i talk usually when i ask, and listen, and get an answer.... If this is the case, then maybe all of us here should shut our mouths, and just concentrate on being pure examples in our lives? Yet we have a need to relate, to share, and this isn't always an ego thing.

Tell me, is PUL always sugar coated, nice on the surface, and flattering? Your very post to me, i believe was motivated from PUL, but it plainly isn't sugar coated and ego/personality flattering is it? I'm not sure you are aware of the full dynamics of what happened somewhere else, nor did you see the various p.m's, and pettiness (or sheer unbalancedness) involved. Perhaps your judgments are a bit hasty?

Its the Spirit in which we do things, the motivation, the intent which either brings spiritual growth or either hinders. None but the Creator, or those fully immersed in Source can truly and accurately gauge this consistently. I can say i perceive something about what a person does, and i can disagree with that, but i usually try to steer clear of judging the person--there is a difference and though fine, quite a big one.

Honestly, i don't think either of us fall into this category (of being fully Source immersed), yet i choose to look at your criticism as motivated from PUL and a desire to help. But i'm also open to the possibility of it being a personality or ego reaction, or past life "stuff". And in this strange and dualistic reality we live in, it could be a mix of all the above.

Recoverer, i've long been a service Soul and i'm finishing up my rounds, i know exactly where i've been, who i was and will be, where i am, and where i am going in both the general and specific sense. I've come to be that Dr. Everywhere to everyone, always and if i can keep in Yeshua's example, then i will be truly a wayshower...

Many so called spiritual teachers actively seek "disciples" and people to be dependant on them (not too mention money). I could care less who listens and who doesn't, or what they think of me. I do care that they listen for the works sake, and in this life, a bit later, i will be able to give much greater material demonstration of my attunement. I really need to meditate more consistently...

Out of the many charts i've done for others, since 16, i've never asked money and just recently have asked for some kind of material compensation.... Yeah i have ego, which i'm working on, but i'm not ego immersed by any means... I happen to be going through some very heavy, testing times right now...

Compassion sometimes means to cut others some slack and other times to be firm--all depending on what the situation calls for.

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Reply #12 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 1:08pm

Justin:

I was born in San Francisco, CA.

Otherwise, I felt bad about my post, but neverless posted it because I felt inwardly moved to do so. Could I be wrong? Of course. Certainly you know you better than I do. After all, your life plan hasn't been revealed to me.

Your enthusiasm for spirituality is obvious.

Once we know the inner, everything else is just service oriented gravy.

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I was born in San Francisco, CA.

Otherwise, I felt bad about my post, but neverless posted it because I felt inwardly moved to do so. Could I be wrong? Of course. Certainly you know you better than I do. After all, your life plan hasn't been revealed to me.

Your enthusiasm for spirituality is obvious.

Once we know the inner, everything else is just service oriented gravy.

Thanks, do you know or feel comfortable with sharing the actual birth time? If you don't know the specific time, and you want me to still look it up, you can give me a good description of your looks--more so when in your prime--and i can probably figure out what your Rising sign (the most important part of the chart, which sets up the rest of the entire chart) and influences are from there.

Ah...you answered your own question Albert. If you feel or felt "bad" about it or anything for that matter, then it wasn't motivated solely by PUL... When giving forth PUL you will only feel joy and expansiveness, even though others may not reciprocate in a life manner. Our feelings are an automatic barometer, and the more intune a person, the more clearly, honestly, and quickly they feel consciously.

When i was moved to give advice to someone i considered a friend, and i was then "banished" because of it and other things, i felt nothing but peace and joy when i initially gave that advice (as well as a strong prompting), and it was motivated only out of a desire to help. Some of the other stuff that went on, mostly behind the scenes, my ego did come out a bit, and so accordingly i did feel bad, angry, sad, or low energy at points.

The only difference between me or anybody and a so called spiritual "Master" is that the Masters emotional Aura is perfectly clear and when the feel something, and even anger sometimes as Yeshua rarely showed (i.e. the money lenders in the house of God), they "sin not" with the anger etc. and they let go of the emotions very, very quickly. In other words, they don't take it out on another and "project". They feel and let go almost automatically and instantaneously.

I've found that lately, that occasionally though i get upset or angry (even self-pitying or self-righteous), it is usually very brief. I have a feeling that you and some others can relate to this?

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Justin said: Ah...you answered your own question Albert. If you feel or felt "bad" about it or anything for that matter, then it wasn't motivated solely by PUL

I can't say that I agree with the above. I don't sense that there was a self serving motivation for what I posted. On the personality level, there's no reason for me to have any qualms with you. It is just that I didn't want to say something that would hurt your feelings. Perhaps a day will come when my viewpoint is so transcendent, that I won't be concerned about hurting somebody's feelings. I'm just not there yet.

Otherwise, in my prime, I was 6'1", 165IIbs (not anymore), brown eyes, brown hair, tan complexion, half German and half Spanish.

Since I don't know anything about Astrology, I'm not able to say whether or not a reading means something. I'd read it mostly out of curiosity-not because I'd think it is gospel. This would be due to my lack of knowledge, not due to a lack of respect.

It would be interesting to see how much of the reading matches my experience. This might give me some personal experience of what Astrology can tell you.

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Reply #15 - Nov 10^th, 2005 at 6:06pm

Hi Recoverer,

Thanks for the description, it should help. One of the reasons why i don't like doing charts is because i've found something that no astrologer talks about... you can't always rely on just the physical birth time since the Soul doesn't always complete the personality right at first breath...

Most astrologers only use the first breath and that is the major one agreed upon theory in astrology... So i've had to develop a specific system of physical indications in astrology. These "look" indications are related to the Rising sign and its strongest energies.

Anyways, i don't know how long it will take to get back to you. I'm a bit backed up right now, but since i'm not actually doing your chart (it won't be a full chart reading), just looking for a specific thing about healing, it shouldn't take long. I will P.M. you about it.

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I can't say that I agree with the above. I don't sense that there was a self serving motivation for what I posted. On the personality level, there's no reason for me to have any qualms with you.

Not from this life, but i've been running into a lot of people lately that i've had quite strong tension with in other lives, and these particular dynamics are really getting "highlighted' whether or not, i or the other people know consciously the reasons why. People are so much more unconscious than they think....

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It is just that I didn't want to say something that would hurt your feelings. Perhaps a day will come when my viewpoint is so transcendent, that I won't be concerned about hurting somebody's feelings. I'm just not there yet.

I do very much understand the above, and there are many times where i don't say something because i think it may be hurtful and it may unbalance the false to True self balance, and so do more damage than good. But i'm not a respecter of illusions, and the Real Self cannot be hurt by anything.

If you knew me in "real life" and not through this medium which is so easy to misinterpret and miscommunicate, you might be surprised how gentle, considerate, and thoughtufl i am and try to be. Yet sometimes because of my extreme self honesty, sometimes i don't realize that others don't always deal well with this. And other times, its more important to cut through the B.S.

There is a difference in feeling bad about doing something (which usually implies that some part of you knew not to do it to begin with), and being aware and not wanting to hurt others. If i wound another, it is almost always not on purpose, and i'm a bit like a big mouth, direct Sagittarian like that sometimes.

Never once said i've that my viewpoints are completely transcendant, and i mispercieve often enough to remind myself of this.

Yet at some point, every Initiate will come to a point where they know the Absolute/Objective along with the Relativistic reality, and so they will say its finished, I and the Father are One. When this happens there is deep humility, yet not one drop of false and illusionary humility...

I'm familiar with the whole false humility illusion, been there and done that. As Yeshua showed in a rather extreme manner in both his example and spoken Teachings, our Light isn't meant to be hidden, especially not for fear of other's false selves reactions... Or to put it another way, why should illusions concern us who are on conscious spiritual paths?

I sometimes talk differently to those not on a conscious spiritual path of some sort, and i'm much more sensitive to their feelings.

And the rule for myself, which i always use is, "if you are hurt, and you suffer, know that ego, duality, and selfishness lie at your door."

Though there is a different kind of suffering, nonhuman suffering which is both more immediate and more detached and collective than individual human suffering.

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Reply #18 - Nov 15^th, 2005 at 1:10pm

Justin:

I don't believe that it's a good idea to get too caught up in past life issues. As far as I'm concerned, disagreements from past lives are over with. I feel the same way about disagreements that I've had during this lifetime.

Also, if you consider that what we are today is partly the result of what our past lives have created, then for the most part we only need to look into how we manifest today, in order to see what we need to get clear on.

I felt bad for the reason stated, and no other reason. I believe that it would be a mistake for you conclude that there is nothing to what I said, simply because I felt bad.

Regarding false humility, I don't get the feeling that you're balanced in this regard. For one thing, why does the subject even come up? Is it a matter of other people on this board having a false approach, and this conflicts with your "true" approach?

I don't think so, because I believe that the people on this board are doing fine. False humility doesn't go away by taking on a "false opposite" stance. It goes away and gets replaced with real humility, because the love in your heart causes you to see all people as equal and capable of finding the light in a way that suits them. My guess is that Jesus was incredibly humble, even though a "few" scriptural lines show that he had to be firm with people on occasion.

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Reply #19 - Nov 15^th, 2005 at 8:41pm

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Justin:

I don't believe that it's a good idea to get too caught up in past life issues. As far as I'm concerned, disagreements from past lives are over with. I feel the same way about disagreements that I've had during this lifetime.

Also, if you consider that what we are today is partly the result of what our past lives have created, then for the most part we only need to look into how we manifest today, in order to see what we need to get clear on.

Who is saying to get caught up in "past life issues"? Personally, i'm just saying it often helps to be aware of these dynamics on a conscious level, especially concerning difficulties with others, or deep self karmic issues. Don't really agree with your first paragraph, because since people in general are very unconscious, it makes issues of all sorts harder to work out. Unless they can so focus on PUL to sublimate this...but even then with people focusing on PUL in their life, they often find themselves feeling judgemental, intolerant, etc. with others...and this generally comes from 2 main things... Projection and other life issues which are very strong subconsciously but virtually unknown consciously. In some cases projection and the latter are almost interchangable...

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I felt bad for the reason stated, and no other reason. I believe that it would be a mistake for you conclude that there is nothing to what I said, simply because I felt bad.

Brother... you're taking what i said out of context, i did not say that there is nothing to what you said, but rather that often when there are those kind of reactions, there might not be 100% PUL involved. People can react with a mix of energies, with a desire to help, with an attachment to teach, a unconscious other life dynamics, disrespect, etc... I only rarely respond to others with full 100 percent PUL, and my perceptions are always distorted somewhat through my ego/belief systems, not to mention all the unconscious stuff i'm probably not aware of.

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Regarding false humility, I don't get the feeling that you're balanced in this regard. For one thing, why does the subject even come up? Is it a matter of other people on this board having a false approach, and this conflicts with your "true" approach?

You're probably right, and so what? Never said that i'm truly humble in the manner of Yeshua. I do remember saying at least of couple of times that i'm not fit to tie his sandal straps. I do also say i know false humility and won't play that game anymore. At least not for the most part.

My "true" approach... Well be that as it may, much of these words come not from me, but are rather more channeled. And many of the things i talk about are Universal concepts that apply to everyone under the Sun, like false self vs. true self, suffering, and why we suffer, the way out of suffering... I'm basically parroting, and putting into different words what past Teachers much more intune and attuned to Source than i have said.

These are truths that have uttered and reuttered since the dawn of time, and will be till time doesn't exist. Every teacher with a Universal purpose talks about these to some extent...

You have a problem with this? Then it is your problem old friend. I appreciate you desiring to help me, and do get that from you, but i sometimes think some you older folks believe you have the monopoly on wisdom. Age and wisdom are not always interchangable in my experience..

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I don't think so, because I believe that the people on this board are doing fine. False humility doesn't go away by taking on a "false opposite" stance. It goes away and gets replaced with real humility, because the love in your heart causes you to see all people as equal and capable of finding the light in a way that suits them. My guess is that Jesus was incredibly humble, even though a "few" scriptural lines show that he had to be firm with people on occasion.

Are you sure? Are you there? Mayhaps we can see people with double vision simultaneously as both perfect equal children of God, but also suffering beings immersed in illusions of their own making? I imagine this is how our guides and Council sees all of us? It seems that they are in the business of helping us to see what is unconscious and blocking us, so we can move closer to our Absolute natures... And from personal experience, they don't always sugar coat it, yet other times they gently suggest, depending on situation and degree of B.S. involved.

Normally, i wouldn't respond to these perceptions of me, etc. But there are larger lessons, and more than just me or you involved here, and guidance says to let it flow...

Do you know how lonely my human self gets sometimes...don't you think i know how others here percieve me? How little they respond to me, because of intolerance? How many of them shake their heads and say unconsicously smugly to themselves, "well some day that young man will learn." Or something similar...

I could change my whole approach to please others, to be liked more, to have my human self wrapped up in the comfort of being accepted... And sometimes i ache for this.... but as i am usually joyful regardless, and know where i am mostly coming from...then why should i change?

As long as i come from an inner helpful motivation, as long as i try to be loving (though impersonal), as long as i don't think myself superior to others, then there is nothing to be ashamed of. But thats just it, isn't it, you believe i believe i'm superior, and don't consider others as equal... Just because i've finally started to recognize and love my own Light (which has taken me a very long and painful time to do), doesn't mean i don't see others Light, or that i don't feel i can learn from others. I wouldn't see or feel my Light if i didn't perceive others Light.... I wouldn't be merging into the Sun of my Total/Higher self.

Its reciprocal, and Like attracts Like.

As far as the people on this board doing fine, i agree but either way its a judgment of sorts. But some of the people on this board are fairly exceptional and far along the path as compared to the average.

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"...and capable of finding the light in a way that suits them. My guess is that Jesus was incredibly humble, even though a "few" scriptural lines show that he had to be firm with people on occasion.

Light can be found in many, many ways, from reading a book, from a single paragraph of other's words, to a smile or pat on the back, a stern reminder, etc. etc. If people were so capable of finding this Light on there own, then Humanity wouldn't be the backwater planet which so many more attuned Consciousnesses having to concentrate so long on helping us and getting us unstuck... Earth and humanity in general are extremely "stuck", and if it wasn't for the likes of Yeshua, Buddha, Krishna, and our Brothers from other systems, there would be little progress on this rebel planet, which so revels in its suffering and darkness.

Course Jesus was humble, and oft very gentle. Yet often very stern and almost commanding, or with a sense of humor, which could be very incisive and even very wry at times...other times with the Pharisees and other spiritual hypocrites, almost sarcastic and biting. He over through the money lenders tables in a brief fit of anger...

Jesus's early life and young adulthood was kind of interesting. When traveling through different countries, and this was well before his full at-one-ment, he would teach, preach, and help others... He would debate with the spiritual leaders of the different climes and places, and he would intensely question their beliefs.... To the point that even when only a late teenager and young twenty something, many tried to kill him... Like i said, keep in mind he wasn't Enlightened at this point...

When going through India, and staying with the Brahmans/Hindus he spoke out against some of their beliefs..., they tried to kill him but settled on getting rid of him...this was a repeat pattern in many countries and with many peoples especially those who considered themselves spiritual and knowledgable...these generally disliked him the most. Only in Tibet and Egypt did he find a people who respected him as a whole and whose Teachers fully saw this young lad's wisdom and Light. Got along well in Greece too though not fully understood by the sensual Greeks, but everywhere else...he was not welcomed by the majority.

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Re: Bloody palms dream
Reply #20 - Nov 16^th, 2005 at 12:20pm

JUSTIN:

I'LL WRITE IN CAPITAL LETTERS SO IT'S EASY TO DIFFERENTIATE MY WRITING FROM YOURS.

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Who is saying to get caught up in "past life issues"? Personally, i'm just saying it often helps to be aware of these dynamics on a conscious level, especially concerning difficulties with others, or deep self karmic issues. Don't really agree with your first paragraph, because since people in general are very unconscious, it makes issues of all sorts harder to work out. Unless they can so focus on PUL to sublimate this...but even then with people focusing on PUL in their life, they often find themselves feeling judgemental, intolerant, etc. with others...and this generally comes from 2 main things... Projection and other life issues which are very strong subconsciously but virtually unknown consciously. In some cases projection and the latter are almost interchangable...

Brother... you're taking what i said out of context, i did not say that there is nothing to what you said, but rather that often when there are those kind of reactions, there might not be 100% PUL involved. People can react with a mix of energies, with a desire to help, with an attachment to teach, a unconscious other life dynamics, disrespect, etc... I only rarely respond to others with full 100 percent PUL, and my perceptions are always distorted somewhat through my ego/belief systems, not to mention all the unconscious stuff i'm probably not aware of.

I'M HAPPY THAT YOU FEEL THIS WAY, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THERE TO BE ANY SENSE OF THERE BEING CONFLICT BETWEEN YOU AND I, BECAUSE OF WHAT MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED DURING A PAST LIFE.

You're probably right, and so what? Never said that i'm truly humble in the manner of Yeshua. I do remember saying at least of couple of times that i'm not fit to tie his sandal straps. I do also say i know false humility and won't play that game anymore. At least not for the most part.

My "true" approach... Well be that as it may, much of these words come not from me, but are rather more channeled. And many of the things i talk about are Universal concepts that apply to everyone under the Sun, like false self vs. true self, suffering, and why we suffer, the way out of suffering... I'm basically parroting, and putting into different words what past Teachers much more intune and attuned to Source than i have said.

These are truths that have uttered and reuttered since the dawn of time, and will be till time doesn't exist. Every teacher with a Universal purpose talks about these to some extent...

You have a problem with this? Then it is your problem old friend. I appreciate you desiring to help me, and do get that from you, but i sometimes think some you older folks believe you have the monopoly on wisdom. Age and wisdom are not always interchangable in my experience..

I HAVE A FRIEND THAT I SPEAK TO ABOUT SPIRITUAL MATTERS. I TRY TO BE CAREFULL WHEN I DO SO, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO SHARE ANYTHING FALSE WITH HIM. AS BEST AS I CAN, I RELY ON MY EXPERIENCE. LIKE YOU, SOMETIMES I FEEL AS IF I'M CHANNELLING INFORMATION TO HIM (NOT IN A SETH WAY). ESPECIALLY SINCE IT FEELS AS IF I'M INTUITING MY ANSWERS. SOMETIMES I'LL REFER TO WHAT I'VE READ, BUT NOT TOO MUCH, BECAUSE WHAT I'VE READ ISN'T ALWAYS MY OWN KNOWLEDGE, AND SOMETIMES PEOPLE INTERPRET THINGS WRONG.

Are you sure? Are you there? Mayhaps we can see people with double vision simultaneously as both perfect equal children of God, but also suffering beings immersed in illusions of their own making? I imagine this is how our guides and Council sees all of us? It seems that they are in the business of helping us to see what is unconscious and blocking us, so we can move closer to our Absolute natures... And from personal experience, they don't always sugar coat it, yet other times they gently suggest, depending on situation and degree of B.S. involved.

I HAVE SO MUCH FAITH IN PEOPLE'S INNER GUIDANCE, THAT ANYTHING I HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE IS MINISCULE. THERE'S A MEDIUM BETWEEN AN APPROACH SIMILAR TO A FIRE AND BRIMSTONE PREACHER'S APPROACH, AND A SIT BACK AND JUST WAIT APPROACH. THE MORE A PERSON BECOMES AWARE OF WHAT REALLY CAUSES CHANGE (AN INWARD MOVEMENT), THE MORE THEY'LL UNDERSTAND THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO FORCE ANYTHING.

ONE'S AGE "DOES" HELP WITH THIS LATER POINT. FOR EXAMPLE, MY EXPERIENCE HAS SHOWN ME THAT DESPITE THE FALSE DETOURS ONE MIGHT GO THROUGH WHILE PROGRESSING ALONG THE PATH, AS LONG AS ONE IS INWARDLY MOTIVATED TO PROGRESS TOWARDS GOD, IN THE END THEY WILL DO SO. IN FACT, ONE WILL FIND THAT EVEN THE SO CALLED FALSE DETOURS SERVED THEIR PURPOSE.

IF A PERSON ISN'T INWARDLY MOTIVATED, THEN ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE OUTSIDE WON'T DO MUCH GOOD. JUST CONSIDER HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE READ THE SCRIPTURES OF JESUS WITHOUT TRULY UNDERSTANDING WHAT HE MEANT. PERHAPS INNER MOTIVATION WAS LACKING. MOTIVATION WHICH IS GAINED AS ONE MOVES THROUGH LIVES ADVENTURES, RATHER THAN BY HEARING A SERMON. EVEN JESUS' SERMON OF THE MOUNT HAS FALLEN ON MANY DEFT EARS.

Normally, i wouldn't respond to these perceptions of me, etc. But there are larger lessons, and more than just me or you involved here, and guidance says to let it flow...

Do you know how lonely my human self gets sometimes...don't you think i know how others here percieve me? How little they respond to me, because of intolerance? How many of them shake their heads and say unconsicously smugly to themselves, "well some day that young man will learn." Or something similar...

I could change my whole approach to please others, to be liked more, to have my human self wrapped up in the comfort of being accepted... And sometimes i ache for this.... but as i am usually joyful regardless, and know where i am mostly coming from...then why should i change?

As long as i come from an inner helpful motivation, as long as i try to be loving (though impersonal), as long as i don't think myself superior to others, then there is nothing to be ashamed of. But thats just it, isn't it, you believe i believe i'm superior, and don't consider others as equal... Just because i've finally started to recognize and love my own Light (which has taken me a very long and painful time to do), doesn't mean i don't see others Light, or that i don't feel i can learn from others. I wouldn't see or feel my Light if i didn't perceive others Light.... I wouldn't be merging into the Sun of my Total/Higher self.

Its reciprocal, and Like attracts Like.

As far as the people on this board doing fine, i agree but either way its a judgment of sorts. But some of the people on this board are fairly exceptional and far along the path as compared to the average.

HAVE THEY ASKED YOU TO BE THEIR TEACHER? I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS. BUT ASKING A QUESTION ISN'T THE SAME THING AS TELLING SOMEBODY THAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE YOUR TEACHER. ONE SHOULDN'T PLAY THE ROLE OF TEACHER WITHOUT BEING ASKED. IT'S AN INTRUSION, AND DISRESPECTUFUL OF THE INTENDED AUDIENCE.

You say,

Light can be found in many, many ways, from reading a book, from a single paragraph of other's words, to a smile or pat on the back, a stern reminder, etc. etc. If people were so capable of finding this Light on there own, then Humanity wouldn't be the backwater planet which so many more attuned Consciousnesses having to concentrate so long on helping us and getting us unstuck... Earth and humanity in general are extremely "stuck", and if it wasn't for the likes of Yeshua, Buddha, Krishna, and our Brothers from other systems, there would be little progress on this rebel planet, which so revels in its suffering and darkness.

THERE ARE SOME COUNTRIES WHICH FORCE PEOPLE TO PRACTICE A PARTICULAR RELIGION. THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE, BECAUSE IF THEY DON'T FEEL WHAT'S TAUGHT TO THEM IN THEIR HEART, THEN WHAT IS TAUGHT DOESN'T DO THEM ANY GOOD.

PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, WHEN YOU GENTLY POINT SOMETING OUT TO THEM THAT INSPIRES THEM INWARDLY, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO FORCE THEM TO SEE SOMETHING. THIS IS BECAUSE THE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN TRULY DO THE TRICK, IS THE WISDOM THAT IS ALREADY INSIDE OF THEM.

Course Jesus was humble, and oft very gentle. Yet often very stern and almost commanding, or with a sense of humor, which could be very incisive and even very wry at times...other times with the Pharisees and other spiritual hypocrites, almost sarcastic and biting. He over through the money lenders tables in a brief fit of anger...

Jesus's early life and young adulthood was kind of interesting. When traveling through different countries, and this was well before his full at-one-ment, he would teach, preach, and help others... He would debate with the spiritual leaders of the different climes and places, and he would intensely question their beliefs.... To the point that even when only a late teenager and young twenty something, many tried to kill him... Like i said, keep in mind he wasn't Enlightened at this point...

When going through India, and staying with the Brahmans/Hindus he spoke out against some of their beliefs..., they tried to kill him but settled on getting rid of him...this was a repeat pattern in many countries and with many peoples especially those who considered themselves spiritual and knowledgable...these generally disliked him the most. Only in Tibet and Egypt did he find a people who respected him as a whole and whose Teachers fully saw this young lad's wisdom and Light. Got along well in Greece too though not fully understood by the sensual Greeks, but everywhere else...he was not welcomed by the majority.

I GET THE SENSE THAT YOU'VE LEARNED ABOUT JESUS FROM PLACES OTHER THAN THE BIBLE. WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES OF INFORMATION.

Peace

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Re: Bloody palms dream
Reply #21 - Nov 16^th, 2005 at 3:56pm

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PEOPLE ARE MORE LIKELY TO CHANGE FOR THE BETTER, WHEN YOU GENTLY POINT SOMETING OUT TO THEM THAT INSPIRES THEM INWARDLY, AS OPPOSED TO TRYING TO FORCE THEM TO SEE SOMETHING. THIS IS BECAUSE THE THE ONLY THING THAT CAN TRULY DO THE TRICK, IS THE WISDOM THAT IS ALREADY INSIDE OF THEM.

Dear Recoverer,

You make a good point, and I agree. It may seem to take longer this way, but is actually a more direct method of understanding, by respecting the wisdom of others which they build upon, you also are respecting ego, which plays a role for most.

You Recoverer,also teach by example, and I learn from your approach. Actions do speak louder than words, as children so often demonstrate.

Love, Carolyn

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Reply #22 - Nov 16^th, 2005 at 4:02pm

Lol this is turning into quite the debate!

Just a couple quick comments: Yep, i agree, i need to sermonize less, and perhaps could stand to be a bit more passive in the verbal department...

Its a balance and like i mentioned, when you spend 21 years of your 25 years of life being quiet and passive to the point of near autism... When trying to balance that, a person might go a bit to the opposite extreme. But i lke myself and accept myself and there ain't nuttin wrong with that...

The balance will be there soon enough, and i definitely need to meditate more, and more consistently for this.

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HAVE THEY ASKED YOU TO BE THEIR TEACHER? I KNOW THAT SOMETIMES PEOPLE ASK QUESTIONS. BUT ASKING A QUESTION ISN'T THE SAME THING AS TELLING SOMEBODY THAT YOU WANT THEM TO BE YOUR TEACHER. ONE SHOULDN'T PLAY THE ROLE OF TEACHER WITHOUT BEING ASKED. IT'S AN INTRUSION, AND DISRESPECTUFUL OF THE INTENDED AUDIENCE.

Well who knows on an unconscious level? Could be since i believe it is a strong probability that Edgar, Ra, Uhjltd, etc. are part of my Disk. I got a lot of graduates in there, and have been in teaching and leading roles oft--its one of my patterns. Otherwise nope, and even though i'm overly verbose, and sometimes point out stuff, i don't think i'm trying that hard to be anybody's teacher. And the great thing about the I-net is that you can just skip over anothers post/thread, etc. and nobody can truly get in your face...unless you are really sensitive to energy and they are projecting extremely strong and negative emotions/thoughts at you. This i haven't done one whit.

In "real" life, i'm not quite the same as here. Except for with my Fiance, i generally don't say anything to people about what they could work on, etc. unless it is a really, really strong prompting...mostly i'm "live and let live"--have more than a bit of Aquarius in me, and anybody that knows about the higher aspects of Aquarian indications, know that they are fairly detached to others and caring how others run their lives.

Off the I-net i work with peoples energy more on a silent energetic level, and though i do do this over the I-net too, a good portion of my energy is spent in formulating the most concise, and clear concepts and words i can get accross.... Unfortunatel the I-net being what it is, almost all the consistent conscious communication is through words. Otherwise, its kind of hard to communicate, no? There's nothing inherently wrong with words, though they do lack in a lot of respects...

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I GET THE SENSE THAT YOU'VE LEARNED ABOUT JESUS FROM PLACES OTHER THAN THE BIBLE. WHAT ARE YOUR SOURCES OF INFORMATION

Lol well yeah..don't need much of any sense to "get" this , but yeah you are very right Brother.

My info primarily comes from the Cayce Readings which go into much detail about Yeshua's "lost years", his Teachings, and life in general, not to mention his interesting other lives and what exactly this Soul is--the First Spark to return home.

My second main source is the Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ by Levi, which seems to compliment much of Cayce's info, though they don't agree on every specific detail. Levi was a medical doctor and minister who spent many, many years in meditation and study to get himself to the point of being able to read/translate the Akashic records--especially regarding Yeshua's life, teachings, and Messianic role (which really began in early Atlantis).

Cayce's Source was even asked about Levi and this book, and the person was told that Levi was one who had a lifetime during Yeshua's Palestine period, and Levi read his record, but E.C's Source seemed to say that it was correct and accurate in a trend, but not necessarily on every specific aspect/detail.

Cayce's Source also said something very similar about some of Rudolph Steiner's info... Basically, because they were not fully At One, then some of their info could and did get skewed, misinterpreted, and filtered. Only pure White Light understands and communicates crystal clearly, and there are not many of that Consciousness...even many of the "real" spiritual Teachers in the world

My other sources are guidance, and my own (primarily unconscious) tapping into the Records. I haven't read the records in dream state specifically about Yeshua and his life, but having read the records on other stuff, i'm sure i have and brought it over in my subconscious, which gets translated into automatic knowings and strong feelings about certain things.

My last source is the Bible, which though filtered, skewed, and edited, still very much contains the Spirit of Yeshua's Teachings. Cayce's info by far is the most accurate of the above.

Like E.C. i'm a bit too obsessed with Jesus the Master of Masters. Am working on this over attachment thing, and i'm sure there will be point where i barely mention his name, but just follow his example.

Shalom old friend, and karmic buddy

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recoverer Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 5027 Gender:	Re: Bloody palms dream Reply #23 - Nov 16^th, 2005 at 4:17pm Justin: Debate? No need for a continued one, partly because we probably understand each other better than we're expressing. Plus in the end, since each of us is well connected (thank you God), things will work out wonderfully in the end. Is there an Ed Cayce book in particular that talks about Jesus?
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blink Ex Member	Re: Bloody palms dream Reply #24 - Nov 17^th, 2005 at 7:43pm Albert, Your bloody palms are stigmatta. You are trying too hard to live up to your image of perfection and there is a part of you which wants to rebel. blink
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Reply #25 - Nov 18^th, 2005 at 9:25am

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Justin:

Debate? No need for a continued one, partly because we probably understand each other better than we're expressing. Plus in the end, since each of us is well connected (thank you God), things will work out wonderfully in the end.

Is there an Ed Cayce book in particular that talks about Jesus?

Yup, i do think that we understand each other a bit, and a double YUP we all be One.

Thank goodness, otherwise this life would be so crazy and pointless.

There are a few books out there, i recommend Edgar Cayce Story of Jesus by Jeffrey Furst, i believe. It has a lot of the actual reading excerpts, and little of the "interpretations" which are so prevalent in most Cayce books--and it goes a bit into Yesh's other lives, etc.. A lot of books barely have any actual readings, but are primarily a person's interpretations. There is another book, which i read and liked, but can't remember. I'll post later if i remember it.

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Albert,

Your bloody palms are stigmatta. You are trying too hard to live up to your image of perfection and there is a part of you which wants to rebel.

blink

Interesting dream interpretation blink. Dunno if it is true, and on a personal level i feel very wary of interpreting others dreams, but it makes a lot of sense.

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Reply #26 - Nov 18^th, 2005 at 11:00am

Blink:

I don't believe that this is what was being pointed out in this particular dream.

HOWEVER, as you suggest, I'm not completely balanced when it comes to a part of me wanting to live up to an ideal of perfection, and a part of me wanting to rebel. Sometimes I put pressure on myself. It's not that bad, but I do need a little more clarity.

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Albert,

Your bloody palms are stigmatta. You are trying too hard to live up to your image of perfection and there is a part of you which wants to rebel.

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recoverer Super Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 5027 Gender:	Re: Bloody palms dream Reply #28 - Nov 18^th, 2005 at 12:39pm Blink: Late P.S. It occurred to me that sometimes dreams have more than one meaning. So perhaps the stigmata part was one of the messages. Actually, stigmata did come to mind, but I didn't know that stigmata has the application you indicated.
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