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Reply #15 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 6:15am
 
Atlanteans?  Technology greater than ours?  Oh boy. 

Much as I respect Cayce and the whole notion of contact with the astral and spriritual realm, the whole point of a device like Bruce's would be that it is a direct way to obtain coroborating physical vidence.  Archaeology is certainly one way to obtain evidence of past cultures and the evolution of science/technology in our shared real world.  I think when we start talking of these readings of Cayce's as if they are proof of Atlantis and the technology (as opposed to archaeological proof) we are getting way off track.  Interesting as your post is, Justin.

I hope this post doesn't spark a pro/con Cayce dialogue - that is NOT my intent, as I value whatever positive contributions he made that can help us all.

Respectfully,

Matthew
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Reply #16 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 9:49am
 
 DocM wrote, Quote:
I think when we start talking of these readings of Cayce's as if they are proof of Atlantis and the technology (as opposed to archaeological proof) we are getting way off track.


Well yeah that's why i actually posted the thread under the "off topic posts" Wink   I was just giving people a brief heads up here.

 Now, not talking about Cayce.  Bob Monroe relates a "past" life where he flys an unusual craft face first, and the craft is nearly indestructable.

 Then in one of his travels, he talks to someone about the Park, and they tell him the Park was built by a civilization many thousands of years ago and will be there regardless of others belief systems, unlike the creations by individuals in the astral and mental realms.

 At another point, he talks to this guide like figure named Nevis (?) mate of someone, and it seems that they may have known RAM in a long ago life...  We they are about to leave, RAM says, "Ta Nah Sen".   And she says something like "oh you remember, a goodbye phrase from a hundred thousand years ago."

In Journey and Destiny of Souls, Michael Newton mentions that some of his regression patients mention having lives in other places and civilizations in Earth, which seem off the map and overly advanced for what we know of history...
 
The thing is... there are huge gaping holes in many of the major western belief systems out there whether talking about geology, astronomy, physics, medicine, history, etc. etc.  

 We just don't know as much as we would like to think we do, and we have become complacent in our left-brain sense of superiority...  Then come along ancient, more right brain knowledge like the Chinese and their meridian knowledge, which totally blows our slow, step by step, trial and error knowledge out of the water..  Thats why intuition is called "intuition" right?

 Some people are just more immersed in western thought than others and have stronger and more blocking belief systems.   I've never had a problem with having too much belief systems, i was pretty much left to my own as far as this, and also sought to go my own way.  I've always been very psychic/intuitive and with having an open mind, been able to cut through the B.S. (Belief Systems or Bull Shite, your pick) because of this.

 Its not that i'm some kind of great intellect LOL hell no, not by any means...   I've just been open to guidance longer and more clearly than some.

  The intellect is fine, and serves a purpose, but intellect without intuition/heart is a poor master indeed, and most of our entire western system is based on and evolved from ego and intellect...two very misleading forces, and boy have they mislead us in some many directions...   The only thing it has given us, is a bit more material comfort, but i would gladly give that up for a more spiritual, harmonious, socially conscious, and overall better way where there isn't so much emotional, mental, and spiritual suffering in the world--and even with our so called strides and advances--physical suffering...   Do we want to become like the Greys?  Hmmm material comfort at the cost of our souls?   Not me....

Well needless to say, i'm not a big fan of western thought, development, or culture and never have been.  Even as a 11 year old learning the history of how the over idealised settlers screwed the Natives over big time...I understood exactly what happened even though it was quite sugar coated in school, and i was pretty peed off about and how hypocritical and riddled with lies our history and society was and is.
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Reply #17 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 10:57am
 
Justin,

your ideas are well thought out and written.  I am open to the idea of a lost continent.  That being said, with the tens of thousands of excavations, we have yet to find an electrical device, plastic, or sign of the advanced technology from 100,000 years ago.  If proof were ever found in the physical world, I'd be open to it, though it would not quite make sense with the evolution of people around the world.  Secrets, either military or technology do not remain hidden well - you know that.  

For now, we can agree to both be open, and I will await any confirmatory evidence of these ultra-ancient societies.  Yes, it is Western logic that guides these last two paragraphs.  However, if you don't use the Western, than everyone's idea of truth, whether it stands up to scrutiny or not is ok.  I don't (as yet) believe in a relative truth.

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Matthew
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Reply #18 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 11:29am
 
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your ideas are well thought out and written.  I am open to the idea of a lost continent.  That being said, with the tens of thousands of excavations, we have yet to find an electrical device, plastic, or sign of the advanced technology from 100,000 years ago.  If proof were ever found in the physical world, I'd be open to it, though it would not quite make sense with the evolution of people around the world.  Secrets, either military or technology do not remain hidden well - you know that.  

For now, we can agree to both be open, and I will await any confirmatory evidence of these ultra-ancient societies.  Yes, it is Western logic that guides these last two paragraphs.  However, if you don't use the Western, than everyone's idea of truth, whether it stands up to scrutiny or not is ok.  I don't (as yet) believe in a relative truth.

Best regards,

Matthew


Yeah, i definitely understand about that part, and in the end it isn't too important whether or not we know if there was an Atlantis or not...

  But i would suggest that you haven't looked at a lot of the "circumstantial evidence" that is out there, much of it bridging totally unrelated cultures and very specific practices, myths, and even blood types. 

  There is a specific blood type, haplogen type (don't remember specifically off the top of my head), and O negative, which is quite rare, but occurs in greater frequency amongst certain "mysterious" people like the Basques and Celts (as well as the Berbers, Iraquois, and others).  Nobody really knows where these people came from, and the Basques even say they come from a lost continent or island in their history.

  Also interestingly is that Cayce said that there were some major areas where the Atlanteans emmigrated too, particularly the Pyrenees , Egypt, and the Americas (particularly the east coast of N. america).

  Now also interestingly, some language experts have noted that there is basic lang. similarity between the Celtic Gaelic tongue, and the Iraquois...both of which who also have this unique blood type thing going on...  And the Celtic tribes, up till the 1700's when they were squashed by the English, were remarkably similar to some of the Native tribes in many respects...  They were Europes last "wild" and unfettered peoples who lived off the land.

  There is so much more, and i'm just touching the tip of the iceberg...  There is much more geological, and plainly looked over archeological evidence out there than we realize..   For example, in some ancient Egyptian Hieorglyphics, particularly in Luxor, there are pictures of what appear to be helicopters, submarines, and other flying craft...  And boy do they look pretty modern and similar to some of our technology....  And the Egyptians just happened to build the Great Pyramid with man power, and limited scientific knowledge?   Yeah right, that is one of the most close minded, and full of illusions, and misunderstanding theories out there.

  Many engineers have said that even using todays technology, we would be hard pressed to build something like the Great Pyramid...heck a team of Japanese tried to build a smaller scale version with heavy equipment, and they didn't get far before giving up....   The time and energy alone just to quarry all those immense granite blocks is mind blowing, yet the "historian" we go by as far modern thought, Herodotus, said the Great Pyramid was built in some ridiculously small increment of time, just through man power alone... yet the time it would take for us just to quarry and move these stones is longer than the time this "historian" whom is taken as having the "truth", said it took for the whole project...

  Hmmm, lets go smoke some more good western thought Crack. Shocked Grin

  Much evidence is plainly in sight, and so, is well hidden i suppose you could say.

  Just a few years ago, we discovered an ancient Civilization off the coast of India (in the water) which predates any known civilization and conservatively is put in the 9000 year mark.   And many say its quite probably older, and this is quite the developed civilization with underground water systems, etc. etc.

  Now specifically with the Atlanteans, my understanding is that the few remaining survivors, whom were more of a spiritual mind-set, got rid of all their technology and equipment because they didn't ever want to see mankind go down such a technology obsessed and destructive path again...  And the rest is has subsided under some of the lower crust plates but will come back up in the coming Crustal shift....

  We may be seeing very soon some similar stuff happening, and we would do well to learn from the Atlanteans mistakes, even if it is just a "myth"...  America especially would do well not to follow in this path of sheer greed, materialism, mass collective selfishness, and trying to dominate other lands and gain ever more power. 

  Don't believe me, eh...   A lot of people are in for a rude awakening i think.  The signs are plain and written on the tenement halls for all to see.

btw..  my name is Justin...
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Reply #19 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 12:16pm
 
Justin,

I think there is a remarkable similarity in cultures with no known contact with each other.  I think we all share a common human thread and consciousness, so none of these coincidences surprise me.

I said it before, and I will say it again.  I am open to the evidence, but the danger of assuming something from a psychic reading or before real physical evidence is there, is to make a false assumption  ("ass" of "u" and "me" = assume - thank you Felix Unger).  I do not assume that there was no Atlantis, only that archaeological digs show no evidence of an advanced modern technology - yet.  Maybe something will come of it in our time.  If a catastrophe hit our continent now.  There would be metal, plastic, and evidence for eons to come, that one could point to, to say we were here. 

With regard to Bruce's and other EVP machines, I think that the issues involved in communication are quite complex.  Perhaps communication is best left to our conscious minds - although some of us may interpret things differently than others.

Peace,

Matthew

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Reply #20 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 1:34pm
 
  Matthew wrote, Quote:
I said it before, and I will say it again.  I am open to the evidence, but the danger of assuming something from a psychic reading or before real physical evidence is there, is to make a false assumption  ("ass" of "u" and "me" = assume - thank you Felix Unger).


Everything, and i mean everything is first assumed, or imagined before it is "proven".   And quite frankly, Cayce had quite the overall track record, and there are many signed affitdavits saying that his info helped them tremoundously when doctors, and the mainstream gave up on them. 

  Then there is the more subtle and hard to verify stuff that Cayce gave, like about other lives...  Well some of the info was so specific that some people went digging into the past, and found that Cayce had accurately pin-pointed a non historical personality who lived in a certain place, with a certain name. 

  Then there are the numerous prophecies both world wide, and individual specific, which came about.   Sure, it seems his Source was off on some things, and even the Source said its info could be skewed under certain circumstances.   But the huge majority is towards the balance of suggesting that Cayce was overall extremely accurate in all things which could be verified from other angles.  This is extremely rare, to almost non-existent in todays channeling and psychic info seeking.  Bruce and Rosie seem to be some of the few which actually do this to some extent.

  Lets imagine a scenario...  the N. American continent had under gone 3 major upheavals within a 200, 000 or so period of time.   America was left as one large Island after the first two upheavals/catacyclisms.   This last island is destroyed about 12,500 years or so, and is completely submerged into the depths of the sea, with not too many survivors compared to the original population..

  The last destruction came about from a crustal shift, where the crust literally moved fairly fast over the more liquid mantle.   As we know, continental plates move against, under, up, etc. again other plates.   This is how mountains are formed, but say geologists are off, and that this process is not gradual, constant, and noticeable over millions of years but rather goes in a fairly regular cycle of imbalance and seeking of balance within say every 12,000 years or so, and when it comes to the climax in the unbalance, it ever speeds up over about a hundred years or so, till peak momentum where the crust of the Earth violently and catastrophically moves hundreds of miles within months, with the most and fastest movement within a week period...

  Not much would be left, and much would be submerged in the ocean...  Other than Space, the Ocean is the last great unexplored frontier, and we know very little about what lies in the deepest trenches, or under the muck of 12,000 or more years...

  Now, the people from America who survived this cataclysm knew that their collective consciousness of greed, selfishness, and disregard for and misuse of nature her laws, had some kind of effect on this whole process...  The wise leaders that came out to lead the broken people said, "If we are smart, we will get back to nature, destroy our pointless technologies, and rely on the Earth and God more."  So they systematically destroyed any actual technology that was left...  kind of a bra burning type scenario.

  This is exactly what Cayce said happened in Ancient Egypt...  The immigrating Atlanteans combined forces with the High Priest Ra Tah to build the Great Pyramid, a testomony to humankind, as well as prophecy in stone, and a place to test and teach Initiates from all lands and times...(where only one Initiate, the Great Initiate-- Yeshua passed ALL tests).
  Even today, people's souls are being tested in the Great Pyramid, but more so in the nonphysical dimensions.  I've had dreams of going into a special chamber within the Great Pyramid--a Initiation dream.  The year i had this dream (1998--i was 18 much 9 vibration enoded in this cycle), was a very transformative and awakening time period, also when i first started having dreams where i communicated with Beings from other systems.

  After they used the Atlantean technology to build this great physical and spiritual momument, they decided to systematically destroy any remaining technology which might lead future generations down an technology obsessed path.  And i believe this was very wise on their part.

  Blindly refute Cayce, refute all the circumstantial evidence which also includes artifacts, specific lang. structure, and genetics, but refute the Great Pyramid? 

  They made it so it couldn't be refuted, only by the most close minded and ignorant people, and they did a darn good job of endocing it with multi-layered and repeating symbolism.  Hmm, perhaps you were one of the ones against Ra at that cycle, he had quite a few enemies who tried their darndest to get him banished?


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I dunno, i think Bruce's device is one of our best shots at proving there is a non-physical reality and this is extremely important for humanity as a whole.  Thank the Lord for Bruce Moen and those like him that have made themselves fit channels for the Creative Forces to work through and abide in.  We need more of them in this world, and less of people telling us whats not possible...  We need people that break our collective illusionary limits.   Many are younger, like young MiKayla--Mystic's Granddaughter.   They will be taking the reigns soon enough though, yet sometimes my human self is impatient.....
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Reply #21 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 1:52pm
 
Darn,

I should have finished Ra off when I had the chance!  I'm not sure if you understand my points, Justin, but peace to you.  I believe Cayce made important contributions - I have read several histories and medical interpretations of his.  I have my own misgivings, and out of more than 10,000 readings he did predict some things quite accurately.

My point was much more basic; to keep an open mind, but that truth is not relative.  That is the one thing that the new Pope and I have in common (he warned against a moral relativism).    I have seen websites linked to consciousness about alien buildings on the moon and other talk of this or that entity that just smacks of falsehood.  Yes, we need a device like Bruce is working on, or other objective verified C1 proof for humanity. 

But every imagined communication is not necessarily correct.  I'll leave that Atlantis issue rest at that - and if evidence shows itself, I'll be the first to applaud.

Matthew
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Reply #22 - Nov 9th, 2005 at 11:34pm
 
 
Agreed.  btw--i really like your sense of humor  Matthew and the "I should have finished Ra off when i had the chance!" line Shocked... got me chuckling Cheesy

Peace to you too old friend, and yes we do go way back...as many of us here do. 

"Ah the Karmic webs we weave, until we learn Divine Love is King and Queen."

  Like it?  i came up with it, a little twist on the olden Shakespeare Grin   Maybe eventually we just get sick of weaving webs?  I'm kinda starting to get sick of it.

Peace
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Reply #23 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 2:00am
 
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 I continue to work on this project as my primary focus, and there have been a few more small successes in the past months.  The hardware development is a continually evolving process as more is learned about how to build an electronic interface between There and Here.

Results in a series of tests run just before I left for Poland to roll out the new workshop gave indications that the development is on the right track.  We were able to pick up signals from There that sounded like someone talking on the other side of a wall.  The voice was muffled and it was inpossible to recognize anything but a few individual words.  The thing that was interesting was that in various sessions we could make out as many as three different voices, two male and one female.  One of the male voices spoke in a way that no physical person could do.  This male voice spoke in a continuous stream of words (sounded like mumbling, individual words seldom recognizable) with no breaks or pauses between words at all.  It would be like you starting talking and never paused for a breath for the next twenty or thirty minutes.  Occassionally the other two voices would come in, mumble a few unitelligille words and the leave.

During other sessions the continuously rambling voice would be gone and we'd here one word repeated over and over, very slowly but intelligibly.  The word was "hello" spoken over and over for several minutes at a time during the sessions.

I always think success is very close as I take into account what has been learned in most recent testing and incorporate it into the next prototype.  But I have felt that way since 1997 when this project began, and it's not successful yet.

I just keep working . . .

Bruce



Dear Bruce
Thanks for your time and great reply.
I have often thought about how the spirit (quantum self) interfaces with the physical brain.
This surely what happens all the time in our earthly life.I sense that that we are all the time interfacing through thought which becomes action.
Your machine is trying to duplicate what happens within our physical brain surely.
You only have to ask yourself the question, How does thought result in physical action?
My belief and to some extent experience is that all human activity is a consequence of the interface of the spiritual self and the physical brain and body.
Scientists are doing a great deal of research to discover the mystery of the brain and thought.To me their greatest mistake is to assume that thought originates in the brain.My experience suggests that it originates outside of the physical brain.Our soul or whatever you want to call it impinges itself through this interface and the brain/mind /body responds.This is the INTERFACE that you are trying to bring in to fruition in a machine.
Given the Divine perfection of of the construction of our brain you can probably agree we have some distance to travel for a machine to equal this magnificent instrument.Again there must be energy involved in this process that is interelated and it can only be a matter of time when you will have a some success.
Imagine the sensitivity this machine needs to get anywhere near the perfection of our daily functioning Brain/Mind.Maybe the Mind part is the soul interfacing always.
Years ago I had an experience with another human being, we had engaged in a very powerfull eye contact.Suddenly this person yelped out loud" help I am out of my body"!In that monent I saw her Light Body hovering above her head but what I remember indelibly is that the Light Body was still connected to her ocular segment,her eyes still locked to mine.Everything else was above her head this shining light being.To me this was an invaluable experiece of the INTERFACE OF SOUL AND BRAIN/BODY.
So finally I trust your scientists on the other side realised the challenge you might have to face to create a machine that could work towards the perfection of the human brain interface mechanism.
Have you ever been back to them for some more advice?
Bruce I really trust that if it is possible you will bring it through.
Love David.
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Reply #24 - Dec 5th, 2005 at 3:28pm
 
Hi all

Just thought i would bump this, because one i find the subject extremely interesting.

I'm sure most of you have heard of the medium Leslie Flint. Well, a few of the audio files form their recorded sessions have a lot to do with what Bruce is trying to do. So, i thought i would share.

Here is the general page.
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http://freewebs.com/afterlife/flint/flintrecordings.htm

Here are trancripts of ones i thought would apply.
http://www.freewebs.com/afterlife/articles/Stobart.htm

http://www.freewebs.com/afterlife/articles/Lodge.htm
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