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Reply #45 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 3:56pm
 
Jkeyes:

Speaking of letting other people annoy you, during the past week I let the crazy driving of people I don't even know annoy me a bit.

My higher self gave me a dream which basically asked: "What do ya want...to be a cop? And do you want to be responsible for the life plans of other people?"

It was clear by how I felt during the dream, that the answer to both questions is "NO!" I was also shown that sometimes we try to find a sense of everything being okay, by expecting the actions of others to play out in a certain way.  Certainly there is a better "inner" way.

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Reply #46 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 4:18pm
 
recoverer,

You bet there's a better inner way and it includes all the special glimpes we get, all the help from or non-physical/physical guides, and the changes in our attitude which lead us to wonderful growth but sometimes it's those little things/situations/intereactions that we get the best insight into the beliefs which are limiting. Like the traffic thing. I play a little game learned from ACIM regarding being held up in traffic and not having a clue to what is laying far ahead. Instead of getting pist now I imagine that I am being held back from maybe getting involved in an accident and be danged, I've often passed one that happened that I might have been in had I been there sooner. Then with the drivers who obviously are a problem on the road and not going with the flow, sometimes I imagine if I'm taking care of them by staying behind them.  Silly little games that have replaced road rage and caused me to feel closer to guidence and more of a protecter of fellow man on the road.  Change of perspective and attitude is all it took.

Love, Jean Kiss
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Reply #47 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 4:24pm
 
Jean hi there, always glad to see you here as know u are busy. I resonate..I see WF as a teacher in disguise..she has an excellent disguise. she teaches us we all want attention, we all want to be recognized and loved. she teaches the same lesson plan in each post.

perceptual blocks..I really do "try" to keep to the thread's intention Grin

I'll just add my two cents to the mystery of life...well, first you have a belief system, then next in line your perceptions stem from your belief system. so change your belief system and your perceptions change automatically.

its highly computerized action and everything looks new.

Recoverer u are a master and starting to know it. love, alysia
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Reply #48 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 4:26pm
 
Jkeyes:

Yeah, I guess as long as we have ideas to lose, the World will point them out to us in various ways.

I've had similar thoughts while being stuck in traffic.

I haven't read ACIM. Does it say anything about higher self/disc/I-there? Or something similar.


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You bet there's a better inner way and it includes all the special glimpes we get, all the help from or non-physical/physical guides, and the changes in our attitude which lead us to wonderful growth but sometimes it's those little things/situations/intereactions that we get the best insight into the beliefs which are limiting. Like the traffic thing. I play a little game learned from ACIM regarding being held up in traffic and not having a clue to what is laying far ahead. Instead of getting pist now I imagine that I am being held back from maybe getting involved in an accident and be danged, I've often passed one that happened that I might have been in had I been there sooner. Then with the drivers who obviously are a problem on the road and not going with the flow, sometimes I imagine if I'm taking care of them by staying behind them.  Silly little games that have replaced road rage and caused me to feel closer to guidence and more of a protecter of fellow man on the road.  Change of perspective and attitude is all it took.

Love, Jean Kiss

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Reply #49 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 5:49pm
 
recoverer,

That last post didn’t quite set right with me, I don’t mean to imply that I have this traffic thing all mastered.  I neglected to tell you the part about my having a problem on a certain strip of rode that I travel on a daily basis. I don’t like to tailgate so I keep a comfortable distance between the car in front of me and my car, especially since the speed varies between 65 to 80 mph (just like my mood).  But some days I have what I call cowboys overtaking and weaving in and out of traffic that annoys the heck out of me.  A lot of this has to do with my not being able to let them do their thing.  Why can’t I just say, hey many of you guys have quicker reflexes and some of you have never been in a car totaling accident so let it go.  But Nooo, my ego starts kicking in and I attempt not allow them in and instead whined up getting irritated and tailgating.  Nasty way to start my day all because I want to hold onto the belief that no one should be faster than what ever speed I’m going or some other ridicules idea about young vs old, whatever???.  I goota’ mellow out and stop sabotaging myself.  Anyhow, that’s what I mean by the little things sometimes being our greatest teachers and by not questioning things like this we perpetrate more stress in our lives and don’t leave enough space for us to connect on a higher level.

I love intellectual discussions about things like this, reading books, and hearing about various experiences where odd wonderful insights happen.  I very much treasure the exercises for exploring, including those suggested for use on the non-physical levels because I’ve found they work. And I love all the guides too, but for balance, the nitty gritty of it is that we are surrounded by a physical environment right now, on this board, which offers experiential learning opportunities on a minute by minute basis that aid us in getting rid of our perceptual blocks and outdated belief systems.  These opportunities may not be glamorous but they are here for us to learn how to play together.  I mean flying is great but sometimes we need a little grounding to be able to see a more complete picture to be more effective in recognizing the nose that’s right in front of our face (blocks in our perception).

Love, Jean Kiss  


Hiiii Alllyyysia, yeah she's great even if she's not real Grin
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Reply #50 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 9:16pm
 
Jean,

I like your posts - you have a balanced view of things.  I sense that you were a firebrand in your heydey, with a strong spirit, and that you didn't take any nonsense from people.  That's a plus in my book.

I don't think PUL expression means that we can't lose our cool or have occasional road rage.  Its part of being human.  Perhaps enlightened souls like Gandhi or Mother Teresa could continually turn the other cheek, but I'm still not convinced that we must suppress our negative emotions in order to "graduate" to a higher plane of being.  You are diffusing the anger by realizing your influences and that there are alternatives to blowing a fuse.  I'm not sure, but I don't think expressing PUL means never being angry.  That seems a bit BSy to me, like that line in the movie Love Story from the 70s "love is never having to say you're sorry."

I suppose that gets to the heart of this thread.  If beliefs block our perceptions and we lose them, let them go, we must fundamentally change, but we are still ourselves.  I am Matthew.  I have likes and dislikes. I may get annoyed, happy or sad.  I may in reality be a form of the creator fooling myself by assuming I am separate and experiencing love, hardship and inspiration in an effort to bring it all back to my creator/me.  I should therefore not deny these emotions because my rational mind understands that expressing PUL is a higher way of being.

Bruce and others say that to experience higher planes of existence, to focus our concentration, we must lose outdated beliefs.  I know several veterans on this board have done so, and I appreciate everyone's input on how that changed their lives afterward,

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Reply #51 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 10:08am
 
Perhaps anger in itself isn't a bad thing. The issue is whether or not there is ill will behind the anger.

Some people get angry/impatient with people and still wish them the best.

Some people get angry/impatient with people, and want that person to suffer in some way.

Certainly a person wouldn't want to make the mistake of suppressing anger. Doing so could have negative repercussions. Plus you wouldn't want to fool yourself into believing that you're clear of something when you aren't.

On the other hand, eventually (hopefully), when it's our time, we'll all become like Ghandi and Mother Teresa. Actually,  I wouldn't be surprissed if Mother Teresa got annoyed on occasion. I don't believe that an evolved being has to act like Spock from Star Trek all the time.


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I like your posts - you have a balanced view of things.  I sense that you were a firebrand in your heydey, with a strong spirit, and that you didn't take any nonsense from people.  That's a plus in my book.

I don't think PUL expression means that we can't lose our cool or have occasional road rage.  Its part of being human.  Perhaps enlightened souls like Gandhi or Mother Teresa could continually turn the other cheek, but I'm still not convinced that we must suppress our negative emotions in order to "graduate" to a higher plane of being.  You are diffusing the anger by realizing your influences and that there are alternatives to blowing a fuse.  I'm not sure, but I don't think expressing PUL means never being angry.  That seems a bit BSy to me, like that line in the movie Love Story from the 70s "love is never having to say you're sorry."

I suppose that gets to the heart of this thread.  If beliefs block our perceptions and we lose them, let them go, we must fundamentally change, but we are still ourselves.  I am Matthew.  I have likes and dislikes. I may get annoyed, happy or sad.  I may in reality be a form of the creator fooling myself by assuming I am separate and experiencing love, hardship and inspiration in an effort to bring it all back to my creator/me.  I should therefore not deny these emotions because my rational mind understands that expressing PUL is a higher way of being.

Bruce and others say that to experience higher planes of existence, to focus our concentration, we must lose outdated beliefs.  I know several veterans on this board have done so, and I appreciate everyone's input on how that changed their lives afterward,

Peace,

Matthew

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Reply #52 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 11:18am
 
The question is interesting but the comments seem a little bit of frosting.

One way to get perceptual changes is to just think and be logical. But if you try to live the logical results you will probably find yourself at perceptual odds with your fellow beings.

I think the main way most people get perceptual changes is to go through some crisis. Then you have to learn to live again in the consensus world. If you don't expect a hurricane to be bad but it floods all your stuff and washes it away, then you've got several levels of change to deal with. The shock of the initial rush of water, the loss of possessions, and then the new knowledge that yes hurricanes can be bad. What does Bruce call it? A belief system breakdown? That's what changes perceptions.

Can that be done in slow motion? Perhaps. People who join AA are advised to go to as many meetings as possible. That is because it takes hard work to changes some perceptions. It is a technique that can work for other things.

But whe things change for me, the hardest part is that I usually can't share the new reality with someone who hasn't been there.
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Reply #53 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 3:11pm
 
Lucy said its hard to share a belief system crash but we do try anyway as we are such social animals and can't get around that we keep expressing even when rebuffed and even that makes us keep expressing or trying to share, but not everyone has the "intention" of sharing. I guess maybe we be talking about two different things then; what we see, and what we know. what we give out, and what we get back within relating.
I think pure logic or cause and effect can often be at odds with coming from the heart where the desire/intention is strickly sharing.

this must always remain frosting on the cake, this here board perhaps..it is like a tool though..a place to think in public...as far as perceptual reality goes, its not that it's true or false, it just remains a partial reality to look at, a conglomeration of diverse viewpoints merging. simple frosting, but sweet. they say seeing is believing, but perhaps its the other way around as well, believing produces the seeing.

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Reply #54 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 9:38pm
 
old saying probably alchemical-

The eye is more inclined to see what is behind it than what is in front of it.

I guess tha means, to change perception, change what is behind the eye.
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Reply #55 - Nov 5th, 2005 at 7:09pm
 
I'm going to regret posting this....

Recoverer: You are an angel and you probably already figured along those lines: if not...I reckon your on your way to your first wings....and you don't know it yet..!

Thanks to : laffingrain...you too are an angel...!

It's my 49th birthday and it's been hell...Not to say I think much of birthdays, but in it's own way it is a milestone in my own existance......I'm stlll here and I'm still learning, and learning is as hard as ever it was.....

WOW! what a scenario life plays before us....Wonder at every corner if you  let it...!

Do any of you have the ability to encompass so many lives....I do!......And I am humiliated.....

P****d on the aged port my mother gave as a 49th birthday present and pondering my recent demise and my continued existance, the change in my life since the medicine man...and well hec! Life KICKS and i'm still here...and I'm still suffering life's lessons!

It's all so amaziningly wondorous!


Love to all on third my 49th birthday!

(DO NOT WISH ME HAPPY BIRTHDAY.....INSTEAD TELL ME WHAT YOU DID TODAY THAT FORWARDED YOUR OWN BELIEF IN A HAPPIER TOMMOROW...I would really love to hear what you did...no matter how minute! )

Love to you all

whatever psuedomen I called myself when I joined up here...(wshtoyou) I Think?

Luv';s you all anyway!...cause It's my b@day and my mom got me this wicked Port....*****

Love you all

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Reply #56 - Nov 5th, 2005 at 7:48pm
 
Hi Mandy,

         ( I have a secret wish for you, but i won't tell you cuz you told me not too)

          today I : shopped for succulents, went to garage sales, played and sang blues & gospel, practiced the pea & shell game (an old con game, kinda the 'chess' of sleight -of-hand), spent time with the cats, sat in meditation... what's that burning? oh, i'm cooking dinner too!....and then i made secret wish... for you.


                Love to you friend,
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Reply #57 - Nov 5th, 2005 at 8:41pm
 
today I burned my oatmeal and ate it anyway (I was talking to Ryan here) I took 2 chihuahua mixes and ran them at the park, I told some internet publisher all the reasons why he should publish my book and tried to stut my stuff Grin I came here and  read your post and thought u should be very happy as you are younger than me Wink and we'll leave it there! glad u like it here! Bruce has attracted a fine group. love, alysia
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Reply #58 - Nov 5th, 2005 at 11:41pm
 
Hi Mandy,

I always remember November 5 as that was my parent's wedding anniversary. They're on the other side but I'm sure they're celebrating...........ah yes, I can see them............70 years since they got married. And still just as much in love as the day they were married.

What did I do today?  Not much really. I watched a videotape that Vicky sent me on Mediums, a program that was on A&E. I took my dog Spirit out a few times in the rain. The snow has about 100 feet more to go before coming downtown here.   And of course I was on the computer too much as usual. I washed dishes, watched some TV and know that tomorrow will be a great day as they all are. And I have love in my heart for everyone. Wink

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Reply #59 - Nov 6th, 2005 at 8:43am
 
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I like your posts - you have a balanced view of things.  I sense that you were a firebrand in your heydey, with a strong spirit, and that you didn't take any nonsense from people.  That's a plus in my book.



"were...in your heydey(sic)"????????
were?
It looks like Jean is still alive and kicking to me. This language is REALLY offensive to me.  Jean's heyday is now!!!!! We gotta get this kind of thinking out of our cultural mindset! It creates alot of trouble for people.

Talk about perceptual blocks and weird belief systems!

Jean I react the same way in traffic though I don't go 80, especially at rush huor. But I think that playing by the rules and trying to create a safe driving environment is important for the group and those who take advantage of the ones playing by the rules so they can achieve a personal increase are frustrating to us all. They are literally getting ahead at your expense. It is just a metaphor for so much of what goes on in our culture...and a very visible one at that. Things usually are more hidden. So we express frustration at what we see because we can't personally tell the business leaders who are screwwing us over what we think. And I think the ones who drive like that do so because for one moment they have control of a situation...they can personally express anarchy in a world where we often feel caught in the system. Unfortunately some of the drivers who do this are not as skilled as they suppose and there are sometimes consequences.


Mandy have you ever read
The Kundalini Experience: Psychosis or Transcendence by Lee Sannella. It should be easy to get ahold of that book as it has been around a while. Perhaps you have already read it, but if not, I highly recommend it. Ha it's not the 5th any more but this is one thing I am doing to make a better tomorrow!

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