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Reply #30 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 8:15pm
 
I think that Kathy's experiences were beautifully written and unique for her.  I find that I connect to my core essence or to some extent everything when I am in meditation.  It is during these sessions that I intend to request that certain hindering beliefs be removed which are blocking my perception.

Has anyone done it like this?  Stated an intention/request to have the block removed, and then seen the result?

I think we all have to be more proactive like this, instead of reactive.  Life is a participation activity, and rather than feeling lost and acted upon, I intend to initiate the action!

I'll let you know how it comes out.

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Reply #31 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:40pm
 
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What if a person let's go off all of, or just about all of his or her attachments and ideas while here on earth, and resultantly gets connected to God in a major way while here on Earth? Is it possible that they will go beyond suffering?


Hi there Recoverer, you have a knack for cutting through to to the heart of the matter...  I think this exactly what Yeshua and those like him have done...   Notice how he always prays, "Thy Will be done, not mine."  This is a way of saying, "i have no more belief systems--i give them up, and i don't believe i--the little self has much wisdom in and of itself."  Then after his whole life since 12 practicing this, the only belief system he was left with was pure PUL...and this is not a belief system--its not relative.  Is it hard?  To be sure, but is it past doing and actualizing?  I don't believe so otherwise these Teachers would not come here and not ask us to do the same.

  My perception is that humanity, though a little farther along the path in some respects still yet needs this ultimate wayshower as a pattern to follow.   Someone who in the physical who is not bound by limiting physical belief systems, someone who will arise from the mass of humanity and be tested like every one else--yet who will overcome all in the flesh.

  I've noticed that people in general are followers and the true leaders are yet a small percentage of the population.  People still limit themselves so much, and a plain example that is unrefutable seems to be necessary again.

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I can't say for certain, because I haven't reached that point. However, certainly there are beings in existence that have reached such a state. Perhaps some, while in the physical.


  Though i have no "proof" i believe there may be more than we realize who have accomplished at least the 3rd Initiation while in the flesh--people who don't age, die, or need to eat...people so filled with PUL....  There auras start to become more and more golden in vibration, and i only have sensed this a couple times--a nearly predominantly golden aura.   These people invariably will have a powerful Solar and/or Arcturus energy indicated in their charts...  Like Yeshua who had Arcturus (also with Sirius and Pluto) Rising, and was born when the Earth is closest to the Sun--Jan. 6th. 

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My experience has shown me that the more I let go of limiting ideas, the less suffering I experience. In fact, it has been quite a while since I've felt depressed.


  Me too, and i rarely feel depressed...  I have fleeting moments of pain or sadness, or anger, but it doesn't last very long at all....yet "the Spirit is willing but the Flesh is weak" eh Wink   At some point we may lose everything we hold precious, and the things we are attached too, so that we can develope the necessary inner strength and detachment which seems to be a prerequiste for that last final giving it all up experience.   Our Total Selves set this up, but not before we are ready for it...and for that, the conscious mind must have some kind of awareness for the necessity of it.

  Being a people oriented person (though impersonal), i've often wondered, could i just say goodbye to it all, and go to a mountain or forest and live completely by myself and not be dependant on anything civilized, or any person and yet still be completly happy?  And then bring back this tempered self to give self away in service and only "care" about this with no thought of my own desires and yet still be completly happy?

  Could i give it up on all levels?  Whats stopping me but fear?  Yet to be practical, i know i'm not ready...lol to say the least! Roll Eyes  But maybe i'm just scared of destroying the precious ego i've built up over the millions of Earth years and hundreds of lifetimes, and the rebellion thoughtform in Spirit....

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Reply #32 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 12:02am
 
 Matthew wrote, Quote:
Has anyone done it like this?  Stated an intention/request to have the block removed, and then seen the result?


Yes, but it wasn't removed overnight by any means Wink   Sometimes when i feel the urge, i make a microcassette tape of positive and present tense worded suggestions and listen to this for awhile during meditation and sleep state.   I believe it works, but generally it will not strongly go against what your Total Self wants for you at the time.


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I think we all have to be more proactive like this, instead of reactive.  Life is a participation activity, and rather than feeling lost and acted upon, I intend to initiate the action!


 
Very much agree! Wink  If only the world had more pro-active individuals who not only talked about their beliefs but poured their efforts into living them...what a beautiful world on the outside it would be...and will be in a couple hundred years--this will be due to the so called "Indigo" children i.e. higher percentage of very mature Souls coming in and taking the reigns...they aren't going to sit around contemplating their navels and spend frivilous time on themselves and "pleasure" Shocked...they know true and consistent pleasure comes from helping their brother and sisters who still suffer.


Yet some things we can't change, but we can always change ourselves which then has a ripple effect on the collective consciousness.


The Vanguard is here, and they're ready to roll...  Soon in a few years Pluto will be moving into the testing sign Capricorn the sign of big business, big politics-government, big money, and overall economy...and Pluto brings upheavals... Even before this Pluto will be conjuncting the Galactic Center point at different points...  Ought to be some interesting times...indeedily.


LOL personally i can't wait till the ego/materialism crap hits the fan soon enough Lips Sealed 8)   I guess you could call it one big collective Belief system crash....

  Ha "Doom and Gloom" couldn't be farther from the unrelative truth Grin
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Reply #33 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 6:55am
 
Matthew: Quote:
I find that I connect to my core essence or to some extent everything when I am in meditation.  It is during these sessions that I intend to request that certain hindering beliefs be removed which are blocking my perception.

Has anyone done it like this?  Stated an intention/request to have the block removed, and then seen the result?


Yes this works for me, too, provided I feel it more than think it.  When I meditate I let my focus fall to the center of my being... my core.  My attention just sort of settles there, yet at the same time rises up as well.  You also don't need to be in a meditative state to do this.  It's really quite simple once you practice this. 

I'll be back later when I have more time to explain what I'm trying to say here.  My pc time got spent reading posts.

Love, Kathy  Smiley
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Reply #34 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 9:32am
 
Justin said:
Being a people oriented person (though impersonal), i've often wondered, could i just say goodbye to it all, and go to a mountain or forest and live completely by myself and not be dependant on anything civilized, or any person and yet still be completly happy?  And then bring back this tempered self to give self away in service and only "care" about this with no thought of my own desires and yet still be completely happy?

I think the motivation in this idea is admirable, Justin. If this is your desire, to simply live in compassion 100% of the time, I admire you.  I do think that, for all of us, our desires, whatever they may be, are what lead us to knowledge.  The type of buddhism my mother practices acknowledges desires and encourages them.    Certainly we should not run willy nilly after them aimlessly but they are a source of inspiration and motivation for us, are they not?  Perhaps you are wise to set your goals high.  

Personally, my path is a little disorderly...oh, well!!!!!

But anyway...I am presently working with a meditation cd which states clearly that the universe does not judge our desires.  However, the meditation does connect me with a universal "source" and keeps me on a particular "path" on the way, which, I believe, keeps the meditation on a level which is positive.

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Reply #35 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 10:07am
 
I've found that your guidance/higher self will work with you, if you work with it. It's teamwork in the truest sense. Sometimes it might take a little while to work through some things.

I often do the following when trying to let go of a limiting thought pattern/attachment:

1. I sit to meditate, and get tuned into my inner self as best as I can.
2. I think of the thought pattern/attachment in question.
3. I look at it from different perspectives. Especially from the perspective of what I'm trying to obtain spiritually, and how I would view the thought pattern/attachment from a higher perspective.
4. I imagine the thought pattern/attachment being unhooked from me, and then I release it so that it can be taken care of with the wisdom, love and clarity of my higher self.
5. Just in case I didn't let it go, I ask for assistance in letting it go.
6. I don't make it a test. If I find later that the thought pattern/attachment is still there, I'll just work on it some more.

Sometimes I'll do that dialogue think that Bruce Moen does. I'll reason with the thought pattern/attachment as if it is another aspect of me.

Since kundalini is active in me, it tends to work on areas that are blocked. I believe that this loosens up thought patterns/attachments, so they can be dealt with later. During some of my meditations lots of energy flows, and the energy will really build up where a block is. Some times this causes negative feelings to be released. But then I'll get rid of the thought pattern/attachment that was loosened up, and the next time I meditate the energy will flow freely, and I'll have the experience of spacious bliss. Or something to that effect.

Regarding "INTENT," well, I guess the intention is always there to get rid of blocks. Sort of an ongoing deal I have going on with my guidance.


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Reply #36 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 1:05pm
 
Confession to make! (And in doing so I am coming out of the closet, so to speak)

Reading the original post I have to reply back to front as it were.

I had no previous interest in nor wanted anything to do with anything spiritual until I came across a native american healer around April this year.

My life has since turned upside down and I now live to the best of my ability within the experiences I learned...Which is now a life of giving and compassion in both a professional and personal role.

One massive awakening in the most extreme scenario that lasted for about 4 months has led to my concrete belief that something positively exists.

It all happened in one fell swoop!. At first I was too "awakened" and in a position that I would dearly love to attain again to worry about my mental stability. The whole thing was so complete and everything was visible and completely comprehendable, so much so that that everything was known, to the amazement of all who know me to the point where nothing was invisible and anything enquired by anyone was answered with complete accuracy to any question put to me. In this the consensus was that I was not insane but something strange had happened!....Everything about me changed, my life changed...others around me were getting wierd things happening to them too...At this point I could not touch anyone as it was as if I had some sort of massive power that could transfer through my hands....(I did touch a few people and miracles took place..)Then I started to worry about my sanity because I started to question the things that were happening to me and others around me. Most of all I worried about this native american healer. I was in full blown telepathy, not only that but he would appear almost like a purple hologram, and not only that but things were appearing that he sent from from over 3,000 miles away (yes real physical things that he told me he would send, that duly arrived) At this time my chakra's, which I had never heard of or knew about before were firing at full blast, also there seemed to be a brilliant white light that shone directly through me, also my meditations (which I had suddenly learned how to do and was spending around 12 hours a day doing) were more real than what had been my normal life before....These meditations were turning out to be the most amazing "ultra reality" events that were having real effects in my daily life...During this time I went to a spiritual retreat for a week-end (a very respected one of world reknown) and there this new magical world I had entered re-confirmed it's existence. At this point due to my belief by now that I had gone psychotic or was dilusional, (as by now I was behaving and pretending for all the world as if nothing undue was happening in my life and not saying a word to a living soul) I searched for the proof of the reality of my experiences.
Eventually I told this native american healer that I considered this as abuse. He was very sad as he seemed to think it was a very special gift he had shared with me, but I insisted that due to my fear of loosing my sanity that I translated it as abuse. He slowly left me over the course of the following week, leaving sad little tokens all over the place until eventually I am where I am today, with no power at all, not even the ability to meditate anymore.
At first I searched like an obsessed bloodhound to find the sense in it all. To find my madness in order to heal it. Now I look back in the cold light of day with all the searching of that time over.

My conclusion is now concrete to me. It took a long time to decide as I will only accept absolute truth. If it cannot be proved, it is not true. There is so much that can be proved. My life has changed completely. I know all this stuff is real and I was very fortunate to have been able to experience it. I would love to experience it again and in my own way I am trying. Should it ever happen again, the next time I would be prepared and know how to handle it. It was "The Full Monty", and all I can say is "It's Awsome".........

Sorry it was so long, I'm not good at expressing myself well.

Love to you all

wshtoyou
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Reply #37 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 1:39pm
 
wshtoyou:

Try it again, but this time enlist the help of your higher self. The changes are more likely to come in a gradual way this way, and you'll have less of a I'm going insane feeling. It's good that the healer left you when you wanted him to.
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Reply #38 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 1:52pm
 
Recoverer I'm so glad you wrote back as I have a feeling that you know what I'm talking about... Grin

Prehaps I am afaid of my higher self?

Prehaps I am just plain scared of what I am capable of?

Already one little step at a time is reaping huge rewards not just to myself but to others so desperatley almost incomprehensibly in need...?

It's a huge responsibility, and I've been known to get it wrong...but, but, there is so much more....This is all new to me and it's scary...!

At times nothing is there, at others it explodes like "A Champaigne Super Nova"...

Ain't life incredible if you let it!

any guidance appreciated

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Reply #39 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 1:59pm
 
It took me years before I finally came around and allowed the guidance that is available to come into my life and help me out. I was ready when I was ready.

Actually, it was helping me even when I didn't realize that it was helping me. But now that I'm conscious of it, it can help me a lot. It helps that I want to be helped.

My feeling is that if you ask your higher self for help, it won't push you into something that you aren't ready to experience.


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Recoverer I'm so glad you wrote back as I have a feeling that you know what I'm talking about... Grin

Prehaps I am afaid of my higher self?

Prehaps I am just plain scared of what I am capable of?

Already one little step at a time is reaping huge rewards not just to myself but to others so desperatley almost incomprehensibly in need...?

It's a huge responsibility, and I've been known to get it wrong...but, but, there is so much more....This is all new to me and it's scary...!

At times nothing is there, at others it explodes like "A Champaigne Super Nova"...

Ain't life incredible if you let it!

any guidance appreciated

wshtoyou

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Reply #40 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 2:06pm
 
Recoverer I love you too..

It really is that simple is'nt it!

Just let myself be guided by my higher self, one little step at a time.

Right is intrinsic in the higher self as all is somehow known. The art is to know it, be aware and be guided by it.

Will try to keep on target and not go catapulting about in all directions.

I think it's called faith, faith in what cannot be seen and yet is understood.....

Keeping in touch with that higher self...

thanks, and thanks....
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Reply #41 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 3:20pm
 
Hi Wish and Albert. this conversation touched me between u too. its like PUL. no, Ill go one better, it is PUL..just two people resonating back and forth with their energy fields.

Wish, you're not alone. can relate to feeling crazy at least once a day here. it's especially nice when a friend will say, nah, we all feel nuts during this shift in consciousness.
you exercised free will to shut down the energy which was given you, like Albert said, you weren't ready. you just wanted a normal life and be one of the guys, so to speak.

I know the feeling. I don't want to stand out either in a crowd..lotta crow comes down the line..but oh well, now we are getting ready as a society to all stand out the way you did, as seems you are letting some of that energy back into your field of awareness, that theres nothing stopping you from from doing healings, providing insight, etc. all of that, and you know the higher self is your unlimited self and not sitting up on a cloud handing down proclamations. its you.

you could even start laughing your head off, like me, and then look around to see if anyone heard you..and if they are coming to haul u away..but no, they won't lock u up. its just the shift in consciousness and we are fine and right on schedule for the next 50 years or so...its just that somebody has to forge a path through the jungle first, so that the ones who come after have an easier time on the path...u are one of the forgers. path makers. you're cool. 8)

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Reply #42 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 3:23pm
 
Hi fellow questioners,

Getting back to Matthew’s request for personal experiences regarding removal of perceptual blocks and beliefs that hinder us.

I’m finding that using the dialogues on this board to be of great help in bursting perceptual blocks to allow acceptance and PUL to flow more easily.  I’m referring to the simple interactions between individuals and the various ways people present themselves.  Take for example, WF’s changing pictures to reflect her individuality or mood.  Do I sense within myself a feeling of betrayal when she does this and say how dare she. She is so wrong for changing the fixed image I have of her. Do I question my feeling of being betrayed and proceed to recognize my belief that she is breaking the rules and attack her for this? Or do I take this a bit further and question my gut reaction and than examine it only to find that it is only some dumb personal belief the my ego is clinging to and let this belief go.  As a result, my tunnel vision opens a little wider to the possibility that she maybe taught me, not only about my own biased beliefs but also that I have the freedom to play too. 

Whew, that was hard work but let’s up the stakes a bit more.  Now what if she chooses to continue the game by giving herself a whole new name on the board and post using a completely different style just to project and play with another expression of her personal beliefs.  Would my ego again not allow me to applaud her in her creativity?  Would I again let my belief that it is breaking the rules, take over and feel betrayed, or could I be able to let the system crash begin by letting go of my ego and let the fun begin. 

For me, it’s a process of interacting with each other on an ongoing basis that helps me to access the subconscious through my emotions to burst the ego to open myself more and to hopefully access my higher self.  That’s the one that is not dealing with a set of beliefs that the ego has a full time job protecting to keep the status quo.  That’s my core self which can see through the persona, the fear, and the others so called weird/wrong actions to the core self.  But all I have to do is set my ego on the shelf when someone else’s words or actions ruffle this birds feathers, thingy an ear to my gut, question what am I afraid which is preventing me from celebrating the other, listen to the possibilities then just let that sucker (the ego) go.  No easy task and sometimes it hurts and since I can’t know ahead of time, nor do I want to, I like surprises, in which direction the teachings will come to get rid of my ego blocks just to have the perks that recoverer described.  It can be scary, this changing my mind about someone or a dearly held belief.  Of course in some instances, I use other methods described, but I still find that being on the front line by interacting with the people around me like those on this board to be the most educational/experiential belief crasher.

Cooze remember in the words of that Great phellersofer, DocM, “This, above all, I feel is true. That through meditation, relaxation, playful interactions with each other, we should experiment and learn to connect.”  Sorry Matthew, I’m gonna’ use this quote to death because I love it so-but I’ll always give you credit. Thanks for the thread which allowed me to put my two cents in on another day off from work.

Love to all, Jean Kiss
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Reply #43 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 3:38pm
 
wshtoyou:

Your post below sounds right to me. Wink

Yeah, I've had thoughts of "am I going nuts?" I mean, some of the things I've experienced.  

But when I'm honest about it I see that I'm more sane than I've ever been. I have much more freedom of mind than I used to.  Plus, everything has been changing for me in a very positive direction ever since I've been listening to my higher Self. So what's this "nuts" business? Perhaps my ego wanting a shrimpy, puny, tiny, microscopic, little viewpoint, so it can try to keep control. Well, it can forget it.



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Recoverer I love you too..

It really is that simple is'nt it!

Just let myself be guided by my higher self, one little step at a time.

Right is intrinsic in the higher self as all is somehow known. The art is to know it, be aware and be guided by it.

Will try to keep on target and not go catapulting about in all directions.

I think it's called faith, faith in what cannot be seen and yet is understood.....

Keeping in touch with that higher self...

thanks, and thanks....

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Reply #44 - Nov 2nd, 2005 at 3:39pm
 
Thank you for the feedback laffingrain.
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