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Reply #15 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 12:11pm

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situations improved and less and less I threatened people less and love was revealed because I wished it to be revealed, but I had to take the first step by living it. PUL is like God..it somehow not about you or me, but about what goes between you and me which forms a separate entity.

I believe i understand what you are saying, and i've had a similar experience... Yet becoming more PUL filled doesn't always make you less threatening to others... In some cases you can make them really fear and dislike you.

Yeshua's life is a great though somewhat extreme example of this. If the above were completely true, then he would not have experienced people reacting to him with such venomous hate, fear, etc. Part of the reason why he was killed, other than the unconscious reasons, was that he told people what they didn't like to hear, especially people who set themselves up as spiritual teachers and/or leaders but who in reality were filled with the unreal false self and who were total hypocrites, and Yesh sometimes pointed this out to them hoping it might spark some self honest appraisal so that they would be able to work through their issues since they were so unconscious.

Sometimes pure PUL brings out an extreme fear reaction, cause the Light is often more scary for others who live in their false self, than the dark is.

Sometimes we mistake a desire to be liked and approved of, and supported as putting forth PUL when its more a personality reaction.

One way to test this...do we keep needing to get attention from others, do we need to feel liked and loved, do we need recognition of our worth? Or if not getting this do we retreat with the "woe is me" attitude, or do we keep giving out when everyone around you thinks so little of you and shuns you?

Again, when we look to Yeshua's example, he went it seemingly alone often, and only relied on the Father and giving to others... When you spend so much time on selfless service, you lose self. It is very easy to Love those who you get along with-- Like minds, and who for the most part agree with and support your beliefs, etc. Not much of a challenge to give PUL then. Who are the people that Yesh spent the most time with, weren't they the "undesirables" and difficult people that Yeshua spoke of when consistently critisized and he answered, "Those who are whole need not physicians."

Yet when someone comes along and challenges us, or seemingly creates friction then it is a challenge....

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Reply #16 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 12:29pm

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For me, PUL, and how it comes from our prime source, is a strong motivation for losing limiting ideas.

Regarding seeing mountains as just mountains, well, I want to see that everything comes from God and is God. Then I guess, it doesn't matter what you're looking at.

Hi Recoverer,

My take on that Zen saying is that is saying eventually we can percieve both the relative reality, and the objective or absolute reality.

Interestingly, i just finished reading a book called "Cosmic Voyages" where the person remote views Guru Desh who was Maharishi Mahesh's teacher. The latter person popularized TM meditation.

Here is a brief synopsis of what Guru Desh and Mahesh teach: Maharishi says that all beings exist in a relative realm where there are many levels... Yet all things and beings originate from from what he calls the absolute and both talk about the extreme importance of unifying these seemingly paradoxal realities and to be able to percieve both at any time.

This also corresponds to the left and right brain. Left brain is relative existence/reality and Right brain percieves the absolute existence/reality... The merging is what Enlightenment is about, and PUL is the merger....

I'm really glad i found this, because i had been thinking something very similar a lot lately but started to doubt it because it seemed so few others i was talking to understood this--so i thought maybe i was off. Yet my guidance brought me this book to show that i was on the right and more importantly the Universal path.

These are starting to merge within my being, but like most things...the first step is being open to the truth of it.

Peace

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Reply #17 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 12:29pm

Here's another take, on the mountain simile. I used to take existence for granted, but then one day I saw how amazing it is that anything exists at all. If you drop the taking life for granted approach, you can see how amazing everything is. I can't say that I feel the wonder all the time though.

Regarding seeing things, once I started seeing flashing stars, flashing lights, shadows etc., I haven't stopped.

Besides sensing the beingness behind everything, I can't say that I've seen something such as a mountain in another way.

I don't see auras, event though sometimes I see silvery/whitish light, extending from my right side.

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Reply #18 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 12:42pm

Dave mentioned something about an LSD experience where on looking at a plant it was obviously actively manifesting a "suchness" that was missed by most people. I have experienced this too in small amounts. And yes, there was one experience with mushrooms where I looked up at a group of trees and the pattern of the branches and leaves was so clearly an active flourish of being that it took my breath away. How could anyone consider a tree to be an object with such an obvious "suchness" or manifestation of being? I asked.

I still feel that way on looking at certain natural formations or events. Though not perhaps the same as when I was in that state of mind.

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Matthew

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Reply #19 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 12:52pm

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I don't see auras, event though sometimes I see silvery/whitish light, extending from my right side.

Regarding auras...its fairly easy to percieve them using Bruce's imaginational way. This and just knowingness, is how i often do it. I have see the colors more physically but it takes the right conditions and frame of mind for me.

Easy way to test the imaginational or knowingness method is: Tell people their most predominant color or colors (the ones that don't flow and change so much--this is the emotional and changes according to mood) and if what you tell them matches up with their favorite color or colors, then you have a hit and probably have percieved correctly.

For example, i recently did a chart for someone and when tuning into them (over the I-net) i strongly picked up a nice shade of green, and a vibration between rose red and rose pink (tending towards the rose red more) predominantly. This person wrote back and told me their favorite color was green and that they like rose red a lot and often when doing crafts they would put a green and inbetween rose red and rose pink color together.

After stuff like this happens enough, you just trust it. This also relates to astrological energies...

Another person i was having difficulities with, when talking to them Pluto popped into my mind, and i realized that they were under some heavy duty Pluto tranists.. And interestingly, this person had said not too long ago that lately they have been attracted to a very deep maroonish or burgendy color... This is a very, very Plutonian vibration (and i do sense this vibration strong around them) and not really a positive expression of it... very obsessive-compulsive, needing to be right, much ego, and not seeing oneself to clearly. Interestingly this person sees me as the one being unloving and full of myself....

It is also a very strong testing time, yet i have faith that their Higher self will lead them aright, and they will cut through some of their illusions to be more happier. I really hope so and am seeing this, though i say "Thy Will be done."

Peace

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Reply #20 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 1:49pm

Matthew said: My question, I suppose is not how to incorporate PUL into my life, but how were the perceptual blocks removed, and did one suddenly have new perception that lasted - or was it more subtle.

My answer: I have NO perceptions that last.

ALL is fleeting. I have moments of illumination but they NEVER last. If I am not searching I am waiting. If I am not waiting I am bawling my head off for no reason. If I am not bawling my head off I am laughing. It's all the same.

nadia

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Reply #22 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 2:17pm

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Matthew said: My question, I suppose is not how to incorporate PUL into my life, but how were the perceptual blocks removed, and did one suddenly have new perception that lasted - or was it more subtle.

My answer: I have NO perceptions that last.

ALL is fleeting. I have moments of illumination but they NEVER last. If I am not searching I am waiting. If I am not waiting I am bawling my head off for no reason. If I am not bawling my head off I am laughing. It's all the same.

nadia

Hi Nadia,

I used to believe the above too...then i started to realize that there is an objective or absolute reality... What you are talking about is the Relativistic reality which is the one most of us know... Yet some like the great spiritual masters, reached beyond this to know and percieve the objective/absolute reality.... My (Our) friends tell me that once you do this, the relative reality doesn't completely disappear, but you see the two merged.... The closest i can come to describing the absolute/objective reality is PUL/Oneness Consciousness...

This is how i imagine the Elders on our Council percieve, with this merging of changing, and nonchanging aspects of the Creative Forces..

And when you know this objective/absolute reality and merge it with the relative... You don't suffer anymore in a personal sense...you have compassion for your sisters and brothers who are suffering, and you feel their collective pain...and thats why you can't leave them to their pain...you can't abandon them..even if you go to Arcturus and can develop in other harmonious and faster vibrating systems..

Peace

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Reply #23 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 2:59pm

I understand what you're saying Justin, but you know, I'm not an elder, I'm a human being.

So I suffer. It's just the facts. In our human state suffering is not avoidable. We can know love and share love, just as much as we can, but we indeed WILL suffer if we are human.

If we are lucky, and we are wise, we may laugh too.

You know, if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it?....Was it ever really there?

nadia

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Reply #24 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:22pm

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I understand what you're saying Justin, but you know, I'm not an elder, I'm a human being.

So I suffer. It's just the facts. In our human state suffering is not avoidable. We can know love and share love, just as much as we can, but we indeed WILL suffer if we are human.

If we are lucky, and we are wise, we may laugh too.

You know, if a tree falls in the forest and no one sees it?....Was it ever really there?

nadia

Lol i know...and being overly attached can block this happening too... Course we should accept our human natures.. Yet, why limit ourselves..why be content with just being "human"? Perhaps our True Selves have no limits to speak of, except for wanting to harm and separate from others?

Many of the Elders were human before too and reached "escape velocity" during some very fast vibrating cycles in Lemurian and Atlantis.

I don't believe we "have" to suffer...its just a consequence of living from our unreal self and being immersed in illusion. If you didn't have to suffer, wouldn't you choose not to? Imagine only feeling joy and a peace which surpasses understanding or description....

Peace

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nadia Ex Member	Re: Question About Perceptual Blocks and Belief Sy Reply #25 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:25pm Come on, Justin -- let's get real! Yes, I can IMAGINE it!!! But tell that to my teeth when they start chattering in the wintry breeze! Tell that to my heart when it insists on telling me its story! Even when I'm trying to grab the book away and take a nap... love, nadia
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Reply #26 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:25pm

Hi Matthew,

From my perspective there is only one way to remove perceptual blocks and that is to reconnect with our core essence on a conscious level. Methods to consciously reconnect seem to be numerous and somewhat different for each individual. The question arises: How did we disconnect from our core in the first place? We disconnected because we acquired a belief in separation. I think sometimes this belief begins in the womb, at birth, or perhaps at an early age when some event causes the child to feel separated from the mother… and this belief in separation becomes reinforced throughout life. It makes sense to me that in order to reconnect with our core essence we need to learn to perceive that there really is no separation and no dualism.

For me this happened in a couple of dramatic ways that probably aren’t what I’d call frequent. I’ve talked about both of these… my car crash experience where my car went right through another car as though it were jello and also powerful kundalini experiences. After the first kundalini experience almost 30 years ago, I was able to see auras. This was probably the most significant change in my perception. At first these appeared as flashes of light around people and other living things. People also throw off colored light and interact with each other’s energy fields all the time. We are constantly interacting with each other on an energetic level. Everyone can feel this and I also believe that because of the timeframe we’re living in… most everyone can also see auras if they were to look and of course practice learning this skill. As I practiced, I eventually could see more and more detail.

Much more was happening with me though. I was beginning to have a deep understanding and a wisdom that I really couldn’t account for. There was more going on with me than what I could consciously conceive of. Now years later I can attribute this to having reconnected with my core essence. This reconnection automatically spiritualizes matter where the egoic personality self becomes so enchanted with the experience of the core essence self that it freely and joyfully surrenders its dominance.

This allows for our core essence to more fully incarnate and take dominion within all aspects of the egoic personality self and we begin to feel at home within our self. Probably the most noticeable difference is that we perceive that we have no adversaries because we are in alignment with the spiritual essence of self. Life is an ongoing experience of observation or being in a state of acceptance when we are fully aligned. While all can attain spiritual alignment, very few are able to hold this alignment for any constant length of time. But as a whole, we are learning.

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Reply #27 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:35pm

What if a person let's go off all of, or just about all of his or her attachments and ideas while here on earth, and resultantly gets connected to God in a major way while here on Earth? Is it possible that they will go beyond suffering?

I can't say for certain, because I haven't reached that point. However, certainly there are beings in existence that have reached such a state. Perhaps some, while in the physical.

My experience has shown me that the more I let go of limiting ideas, the less suffering I experience. In fact, it has been quite a while since I've felt depressed.

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Reply #28 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:48pm

I think we can go beyond suffering, definitely, as everyone here has stated.

As Kathy has explained so beautifully it is, however, difficult to hold onto a perfect peace. This is our human nature.

We can love this quality in us too, laugh at it sometimes, and learn from it. Then, we can, in time, cause ourselves less suffering. This much is true...

nadia

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Reply #29 - Nov 1^st, 2005 at 3:57pm

yes, I'm sure theres been people who move beyond suffering. like the Buddha, like Jesus to name a few. but then we are always redefining what suffering is, just like we are even constantly redefining what reality is right here. I don't suffer depression anymore either Albert, but I used to, to the point of wishing an illness would take me out, and being willing to let it, complete with the suffering it would bring on the body, and upon my loved ones.
then I found others who looked at suffering as some kind of trophy to wear around their neck. in that case healing was not attractive to them and their choices were entirely their own in that case.
I found then that suffering was relative to the sufferer and that I wasn't going to bypassing suffering either, but like a belief system you can ask pain questions and it answers you back, then it becomes something else besides pain and explains to you why its there.
this works with head aches, you can talk yourself out of headaches, but not toothaches Grin

hee hee..once had a non/physical dentist cuss me out for not getting to him sooner...

Kathy, thanks for your post..it flows like honey and I dance with you.
love, alysia

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