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Nov 1st, 2005 at 8:48am
 
I am back, and posting again, and impressed at the changes.  Bruce and I share at least one thing in common that I know of, and that is, our intellectual background was grounded in science (he as an engineer, and I as a physician).  I suppose that those who have this grounding look for evidence in a very orderly way, and I am guilty of this to some extent....today I am interested in those who have addressed thier own perceptual blocks - things that hinder us from experiencing different focus levels and awareness. 

I have read of removing perceptual blocks (mostly through Bruce's work) and discarding outdated or unnecessary beliefs in order to advance our perceptions.  I am quite open to this. 

I am curious, to those of you who have succeeded in removing perceptual blocks and beliefs that hinder us, how it changes your day-to-day existence in our shared reality.

In other words, on an intellectual level, we can discard the block of perception or let our higher self no it is no longer needed.  But how, after doing so, does it affect your day-to-day routine (not just your routine when exploring or in meditation)?

I'm interested, as usual in hearing your own experiences - as I think these have the most weight.....

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Matthew
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Reply #1 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:16am
 
It has definitely helped to let go of limiting ideas etc. Here are some of the reasons.

1. My awareness feels clearer and lighter during the day.
2. I tend to have a sense of the awareness behind everything during my daily life. I still need some work on this, because when I sense the spirit in someone as opposed to focussing on his or her persona, it's hard to focus on what he or she is saying or who he or she supposedly is as a physical person, and I end up looking at he or she in a manner that might seem odd to them (and too penetrating). I have to find a way to feel them on a spirit level, while at the same time not losing focus on their persona. Regarding the way I look at them, here's an example. I went to see the Chick Corea Elektric band a couple of months ago. When Chick came out and looked at the crowd, he did a doubletake when he saw me. His guitarist Frank Gambale did the same thing. I realized that they did this, because when they came out I saw them as awareness beings, rather than physical people. I guess this caused me to have a different look on my face than everybody else.
3. I don't get angry near as much as I used to.
4. I have a tendency to want to share love with people.
5. When it comes to exploring beyond the physical, I don't have as much fear as I used to.
6. I don't doubt that I'm receiving guidance like I used to.
7. I don't fear death like I used to.
8. Even though I feel like I'm doing well spiritually, I don't feel like I'm something special when I'm with other people.
9. I often tend to view things from the perspective of a higher good, rather than on a surface level.
10. I don't tend to be judgmental towards people and feel like I can love everybody. Sometimes crazy drivers will annoy me a bit, but I'm pretty good at letting it go.
11. I'm becomming less self centered.
12. I'm understanding more and more how fortunate I am.
13. I'm viewing the prospect of becomming a formless being more as a way to fulfillment, rather than an empty void.
11.  My energy if flowing much more freely than it use to. This allows me to get connected really quickly. Actually, to a degree, it seems as if I'm just about always connected.

This is what I can think of at this moment. I definitely still have some work to do.

It's definitely possible to let go of limiting thought patterns. It's also very good to do so, because they separate us from who we really are, and what we're connected to.
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Reply #2 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:37am
 
  I can very much relate to pretty much everything Recoverer said.  The most important part in my eyes is that i love myself more and i love others more.

  To add a bit what Recoverer was saying about being aware of people, lately i have been seeing in triple vision.

1.  I see who, or what they project--the persona, who and what they want others to see.

2.  I see beyond that, who they really are in an immediate energy/deeper character sense.

3. and i also see them as i think that a higher Guide or Light Being might see them, as a perfect Child of the Is who is PUL filled and One with me and all others.

  My third vision isn't always constant, and it is something i need to work on more, and the more PUL i give forth, the more this becomes consistent.

  Also i would like to add, that its not just about changing the conscious mind...this is fairly easy to do, but rarely produces a powerful change in life.  Addressing the subconscious mind is much, much more effective because this is where most of your deeper beliefs are located...  Its an accumalation from other lives and all memories...

  When you cut out one of these major belief branches often you experience a belief system crash as Bruce talked about.   I've had a couple, and they can be very, very painful but in the long run they are some of the best things that can happen to you....

  I thought i was unlovable once, and so i attracted and perceived unlovingness in my life and it was a very constant pain.  Through some deeper life experiences, and going within, i realized that the Creator could not have created an individual who didn't have something to offer, who wasn't worth loving...and so i found myself watching and redirecting my conscious thoughts, and doing "self help" type stuff, and more importantly i poured more love and appreciation out to others and the Creative Forces.

  Eventually, i reached the subconscious area and my life changed a lot, and fairly dramatically.  Yet the ruthless self honesty involved was painful sometimes...and i'm of the opinion that there can be very little growth if one isn't ruthlessly self honest...

  Hypnotic suggestions given to self during meditation or near sleep state are a good compliment to Bruce's method of talking to the aspects of ourselves which hold our deeply held beliefs, which we may consciously want to change.

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Reply #3 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:48am
 
JUSTIN SAID:  "Also i would like to add, that its not just about changing the conscious mind...this is fairly easy to do, but rarely produces a powerful change in life.  Addressing the subconscious mind is much, much more effective because this is where most of your deeper beliefs are located...  Its an accumalation from other lives and all memories..."

I BELIEVE THE ABOVE IS KEY. ESPECIALLY IF YOU CONSIDER THAT FOR THE MOST PART OUR CONSCIOUS MIND REFLECTS WHAT HAPPENS IN OUR SUBCONSCIOUS MIND. THEREFORE, IF WE'RE WORKING WITH A SUBCONSCIOUS BACKGROUND THAT ISN'T HELPING US, WE NEED TO MAKE SOME CHANGES.

JUSTIN SAID:  "Eventually, i reached the subconscious area and my life changed a lot, and fairly dramatically.  Yet the ruthless self honesty involved was painful sometimes...and i'm of the opinion that there can be very little growth if one isn't ruthlessly self honest..."

I BELIEVE THAT THE ABOVE IS ALSO KEY. ESPECIALLY THE HONESTY PART.
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Reply #4 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:52am
 
Losing perceptual blocks.  It happens ALL the time.  In the last four days I have learned that I can listen to my dreams because they are true.  I have also learned - again - that everything is connected.

#1 My sister called me in tears thinking her cat was run over 2 blocks from home after a 2 week search.  My dream the previous evening was about her.  We were flying happily in a balloon over the countryside where we viewed 2 horses in a field by the river.  2 days later, before the cremation, she and several other people (it took that many) determined with great care that it was NOT her cat.  There was a connection between the 2 cats, the 2 horses, the happy dream, and the reality that occurred.  Yes, a cat died, but "our" view of reality was correct in my dream.

#2 I decided to change my forum name.  I took a name which came from "nowhere" in a poem I wrote as a teen.  I decided to look up the name to find out its meaning.  Its meaning is "hope."  I decided I wanted to post a poem for my first post with the new name.  I looked up "hope" on the web and the first entry was a poem by Keats named "To Hope."  It was fitting in every way to describe my entire experience of the moment.  Keats was a large book of poetry I carried around in my teen angst years.  I posted the poem, then posted his birth/death dates.  I looked again for more information.  I found out that I was UNWITTINGLY posting this poem ON his birth date, which was the day of the dead.  

These sorts of experiences REMOVE perceptual blocks and create awareness of the connectedness of ALL things.  Only when we are searching with full awareness will we see this.  It causes me want to open my eyes, all of them, completely. Smiley

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Reply #5 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:01am
 
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Losing perceptual blocks.  It happens ALL the time.  In the last four days I have learned that I can listen to my dreams because they are true.  I have also learned - again - that everything is connected.

#1 My sister called me in tears thinking her cat was run over 2 blocks from home after a 2 week search.  My dream the previous evening was about her.  We were flying happily in a balloon over the countryside where we viewed 2 horses in a field by the river.  2 days later, before cremation, she and several other people (it took that many) determined with great care that it was NOT her cat.  There was a connection between the 2 cats, the 2 horses, the happy dream, and the reality that occurred.  Yes, a cat died, but "our" view of reality was correct in my dream.

#2 I decided to change my forum name.  I took a name which came from "nowhere" in a poem I wrote as a teen.  I decided to look up the name to find out its meaning.  Its meaning is "hope."  I decided I wanted to post a poem for my first post with the new name.  I looked up "hope" on the web and the first entry was a poem by Keats named "To Hope."  It was fitting in every way to describe my entire experience of the moment.  Keats was a large book of poetry I carried around in my teen angst years.  I posted the poem, then posted his birth/death dates.  I looked again for more information.  I found out that I was UNWITTINGLY posting this poem ON his birth date, which was the day of the dead.  

These sorts of experiences REMOVE perceptual blocks and create awareness of the connectedness of ALL things.  Only when we are searching with full awareness will we see this.  It causes me want to open my eyes, all of them, completely. Smiley

nadia


  Almost like a rebirth of sorts?  Glad to see you back old friend.  btw--i've always really liked the name "Nadia", and its very beautiful sounding.

  Very much like your last paragraph....
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Reply #6 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:07am
 
One often heres of mystics who see peoples' auras, and such.  My question, I suppose is not how to incorporate PUL into my life, but how were the perceptual blocks removed, and did one suddenly have new perception that lasted  - or was it more subtle.

There is an old Zen dictum that says to effect: "before I studied Zen the mountains were just mountains, the sea was just the sea.  While studying and going on my quest for knowledge, the mountains were no longer mountains they were more, the sea was no longer the sea.    When I reached enlightenment - the mountains were again mountains and the sea was again the sea."


I'm not sure if that helped. 

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One often heres of mystics who see peoples' auras, and such.  My question, I suppose is not how to incorporate PUL into my life, but how were the perceptual blocks removed, and did one suddenly have new perception that lasted  - or was it more subtle.

There is an old Zen dictum that says to effect: "before I studied Zen the mountains were just mountains, the sea was just the sea.  While studying and going on my quest for knowledge, the mountains were no longer mountains they were more, the sea was no longer the sea.    When I reached enlightenment - the mountains were again mountains and the sea was again the sea."


I'm not sure if that helped.  

M


 
I know what you were saying.  It was for me a mix of subtle and extreme changes.  Its hard to explain..its like when you suddenly as a little kid know how to spell "Cat", and it actually means something to you--its hard to pinpoint the exact moment or reason why this magic came about.

 The perceptual blocks are removed both through the consciousn and subconscious mind, and both of these must tapp into the superconscious mind (Total/Higher self) to some extent to really get anywhere.

 So, its a combination of seeking, questioning, and having affecting life experiences.

 I bring PUL into the equation because when we focus on PUL, and do it in a truly PUL way, it opens up all our perceptions, and allows us to overcome any belief system blocks.  How else did Yeshua walk on water and raise the dead?

 Bruce mentions this concept in a couple of his books and even brings up the walking on water part concerning Yeshua.

There is no better belief system transcender than PUL, ruthless self honesty, and a deep desire to change.  But everyone goes about in slightly different ways...some have more big, extreme, or occasional crashes, some have more consistent but gentle ones...  Some spend more time purely on the subconscious, some more on the conscious, or some on the superconscious--but for all, its always a mix to various degrees.

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Reply #8 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:26am
 
nice thread. my experiences sometimes come from books first. one such book made me feel like I was nothing but a program. hard to accept it, but I was. a program of conficting belief systems. so then after learning this was how it was I took 20 years to experience whether it was true..that I was a robot.

then various experiences happened as I focused in on this idea my mind was programmed. knowing this, I am like Recoverer, who says he is not afraid to die anymore. a great weight has been lifted when fear leaves.  more and more I would follow Bruce's technique learned from his books to engage a belief system and debate it. perceptions of reality lead to a belief system. were my perceptions of reality correct? or incorrect?
If I found I had a perception of being "less than" another whom I compared myself to, then I found I was holding an incorrect perception to limit myself in self expression. if I corrected my perception that the person whom I was comparing myself to, who was more accomplishing, or whom displayed a persona which made me feel "less than" if I corrected myself then there was more PUL in my life and more balanced perspective.
then guidance was there, and seemed guides even took form to become people. I prefer to call them people although non/physical. these guides would slip me phrases sometimes. one day I asked "what is an emotion?" as clearly, have too many emotions. the guides said "emotion is the barometer of spiritual well being." I said "huh?"
It is not that I can disect a feeling and make it scientific and logical in an instant, but not a good thing to ignore feelings either, as they can lead you into your conflicting perceptions which have a strong belief system program attached to them.
I think our society very technical minded, very mental society. would that we could be like the Italians who recognize their feelings to give voice to them..makes for some hilarious living to be more balanced and self expressive within non-judgment of what is good versus what is bad..it is to allow all life forms their expression without condemnation provides a gateway to express PUL. In my disc therefore must live a Jewish Italian grandmother who overfeeds her family with goolashe and which they oblige her because her voice is louder but they are never hungry in her house, perhaps overwieght, but not hungry Roll Eyes

getting off topic again. Grin basically, I'm talking about balanced viewpoints...and PUL too.  to percieve correctly I would have to balance the mental areas with the emotional areas, to do that, I would have to respect what I felt. as feelings were in essence, a communication to myself. if I stuffed the feeling, then I stuffed communication. I would have to trust myself then and get over fear of expressing feelings. another way to define this idea is we get first impressions and sometimes this first impression is very correct but we wish to see something else. I would say correct perception is to simply ask another if you are correct or incorrect in your impression and let them create for their own satisfaction to define who they are.

this sort of interplay does create many hilarious and lively conversations... Cheesy

thanks for coming back here Doc, you make me open up! Cheesy
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Reply #9 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:34am
 
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One often heres of mystics who see peoples' auras, and such.  My question, I suppose is not how to incorporate PUL into my life, but how were the perceptual blocks removed, and did one suddenly have new perception that lasted  - or was it more subtle.

There is an old Zen dictum that says to effect: "before I studied Zen the mountains were just mountains, the sea was just the sea.  While studying and going on my quest for knowledge, the mountains were no longer mountains they were more, the sea was no longer the sea.    When I reached enlightenment - the mountains were again mountains and the sea was again the sea."


I'm not sure if that helped.  

M


ah so! ha! heres what I perceive from what u said:

before enlightenment, I chopped wood and carried water..

after enlightenment I chopped wood and carried water..but I enjoyed it more.


insofar as what PUL is..used to have for years my main affirmation to use to feel love for self and others, using the barometer of my emotional level as daily thing. the affirmation was "I wish to see only love."
did not know if I was on the right track, as after all, this affirmation came out of a book.
later, as if to personify it for me, guides slipped into my dream state another phrase "when you wish to see only love, you will see only God."
ok. I could deal with that. but many examples played out seemed like I would never see only love. would meet some people who would not want to see only love so I was like a threat to them at first. continueing down the road, still I clung to it, that I wish to see only love. situations improved and less and less I threatened people less and love was revealed because I wished it to be revealed, but I had to take the first step by living it. PUL is like God..it somehow not about you or me, but about what goes between you and me which forms a separate entity.

is why I started signing off with the word love.
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Reply #10 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:49am
 
For me, PUL, and how it comes from our prime source, is a strong motivation for losing limiting ideas.

Regarding seeing mountains as just mountains, well, I want to see that everything comes from God and is God.  Then I guess, it doesn't matter what you're looking at.
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Reply #11 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 11:58am
 
I can see the meaning in the below. I've found that I've been becoming more emotionally balanced.

I receive messages in the same way, and they can be really helpfull.

Here's one worth sharing, that came in the form of an afirmation. I was getting ready for work one morning, and as I did so, I was wondering how the disc viewpoint relates to the ideal of at somepoint obtaining oneness with God. I thought to myself that sometimes a disc as a whole does so, but a member of a disc can do so on its own if it wants to. I heard a voice in my mind say (not my voice): "Sounds exactly right to me."



[quote author=laffingrain  these guides would slip me phrases sometimes. one day I asked "what is an emotion?" as clearly, have too many emotions. the guides said "emotion is the barometer of spiritual well being." I said "huh?"
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Reply #12 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 12:01pm
 
Ah! Golden.

[quote author=laffingrain

guides slipped into my dream state another phrase "when you wish to see only love, you will see only God."
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Reply #13 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 12:04pm
 
Also relating to what Alysia wrote,

I was meditating the other day and got this strong feeling that once you see God everywhere, that's it. Your ego no longer has a choice of seeing things the way it wants to see things.
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Reply #14 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 12:06pm
 
I suppose that my take on the Zen quote of "mountains are again mountains" was that, initially when one is on a spiritual quest, one is wowed by paranormal things like the idea of talking to the dead or magic.  Eventually, when one reaches enlightenment, if it happens in Zen, one lives for the moment, but everything here in C1 reality is, as it was.  The mountains do not appear differently.  They are exactly as they should be.  So we start out on a quest, learn and believe there is going to be an unbelieveable perceptual change that will floor us.  For a while we are floored, but still searching, and when our search is done, we have wisdom - but things in reality appear as they did initially.

Does that make sense?  Did anyone remove blocks to perception and suddenly start seeing things differently all the time in their day-to -day routines?  Apart from the PUL..

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