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Justin2710
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nonphysical vs. physical, gravity, perpetual motio
Oct 30th, 2005 at 3:03pm
 
  motion machine, and "spiritual" energies....  This indirectly relates to the Afterlife, and jibes well with a lot of the info given in Bruce's books, though worded differently...  Except for the Disc concept, there is very little in Bruce's or Bob's books which i haven't already found in Cayce's material, or intuited from such.  This is what i'm talking about when i mentioned info that correlates....  This often comes from a more universal, and thus more accurate Source.

This might be interesting to some here. I'm complete fascinated by the whole subject! A couple of engineers went to Edgar Cayce for help with building a perpetual motion machine... They got more than they bargained for.

One of the engineers, then 35 year old Marion L. Stansell an engine mechanic from Alabama met Cayce briefly and became interested in the "the Work". This guy has an interesting story. Stansell had a vision while stationed in France during World War 1. He was in a hospital recovering from mustard gas poisoning, then contacted a nasty flu virus, suffered heart failure and died. During his NDE, a spirit guide offered to escort him to the "place" for those recently deceased (The Park?), instead of going on this "astral journey" he told the guide he wanted to talk to Jesus. He supposedly met Jesus and pleaded with him to go back to earth to serve God. Christ said you can go back, and that he would be given formula which would ultimately save the planet from certain evironmental destruction.

The doctors declared him dead and after 20 minutes of not breathing he awoke and not only alive but apparently fully recovered from BOTH the mustard gas poisoning and the flu virus.
After meeting Cayce, he got a physical reading which said that his body had undergone a miraculous physical healing, and that he had considerable psychic talents and that through dreams and visions he would be able to see blueprints for a revolutionary type of motor. According to the readings the motor was designed already by former governor of New York De Witt Clinton who had been the prime creative mind behind developing the Erie Canal and other large scale engineering tasks. De Witt was in the afterlife during all this.

The Source said that Stansell could (or needed to) use the trance advice of the readings to get it fully manifested in working condition. Over a period of time 21 readings were given on the P. M. machine. The readings said, "[The] motor...will develop power on its own action," Source continued, "The idea and the plans, as have been worked out are the better application of the created [or universal] energy."

What it looked like and how it works: Consisted of a large metal tank containing water in which a drum containing compressed air or vapor would be suspended. Inside and around the drum were metal sprockets as the readings called "sprankles". A "cam shaft" of sorts running through the center of the drum connected to a caterpillar type drive shaft which would be at the top of the tank.

Positively charged particles expanding in the bottom of the vapor-filled drum would contract as they rose to meet the negatively charged particles at the top, causing a rotational force within the drum, acting much like the spin of the earth, once set in motion would run until physically stopped.

The Source warned all involved that if they wanted to build this, to succeed they would have to be of the right motivation (spiritual, not looking just for material gain) and that there would need to be a balance or cooperation with the inner self.

The principles behind the motor: "Life in all its manifestations is vibration," "Electricity is vibration," The quality or "wave length" of vibration determines how it acts in a given environment. The Source also states, "Vibration that is creative is one thing and vibration that is destructive is another...yet they may be from the same source, as in the electrical forces...in the human body...Remember, life is vibration, and so is mind, so is matter."

According to the Source, "electricity...is the same energy...as that called God...." Vibration that is creative rather than destructive is of the same energy of life itself. In the physical body, it is the lowest vibration electrically which gives life and the fast vibration that destroys.
Cayce explained how one vibration affects another, as seen in the creation of chemical compounds, or colors on a painter's pallet. Same for sound, just as 2 substances can be combined to form a 3rd, so can sound vibrations can be combined into octaves creating its own harmony (or lack!).
Cayce even related this all vibrational concept of life to time saying, "History will be seen to come in cycles...as in the case of energy, for there is seen the relativity of space and force as it is begun, and as it continues to vibrate...When it vibrates in the same vibration, it shows as the same thing." Or in other words time/history has its own specific range of vibrations that exist relative to other ranges of vibrations (and consciousnesses), but time in one evironment (i.e. the physical vs the astral?) would not be the same as it might exist in another dimension where the vibrational range is different or subject to a different set of laws.

Stansell and Tim Brown (the other main engineer) realized that this was similar to Einsteins relativity theories in a way, except that in the readings this first Vibrational movement or First Cause was enacted or created by God.

The readings stated that the only difference (energy wise) between what could be considered a spiritual force or energy and that of a material was the polarity involved. In the spiritual realms all energy was said to be positively charged/expanding wherein the physical it was combination of negative and positive charges. Negatively charged vibrational energy contracts. Even people though being made up of both positive and negative charges, could be said to be positive or negative because of the balance towards one or the other.

The Source goes on to say that highly developed people, or groups in sincere prayer could raise the "atomic vibrations that make for those positive forces as bring Divine Force in [to] action in the material plane, those that are destructive [negative dense vibrations?] are broken down by the raising of that vibration."

The Source considered these concepts crucial to understand in light of how the Stansell motor works. Because just as positively charged energy expands, negatively charged contracts, or draws positively charged particles to it...(perhaps also meaning that darkness seeks to become Light filled?).

The action between these two forces was described as Gravity, or that in which, "everything...is drawn to a common....[Gravity is but] the centralization of the vibratory force [on the material plane]." The Source further suggested that what was commonly understood as the magnetic attraction that a compass needle had to earth's positive pole, was one and the same thing as gravity. The Earths rotation or "radial force" was the result of gravity too, or the displacement of "compelling forces".

The sprockets in the drums were just tuning forks of a sort which transmitted the vibrational level or energy of the vapor in the drum and acted on the gasses trapped inside, causing them to alterately rise to the top and sink to the bottom. In creating this machine, man was doing a microcosm creative act akin to what the Creator did when creating the Universe, creating and outpouring the first directive vibrational energy (Positive force!).

The Source mentioned that we could alter the atomic structure of metals (or a certain combination of metals) so that it would overcome gravitic force.

And it mentioned that certain highly developed people could by the control of their own radiation/energies and through merely concentrated thought or thinking could raise the vibrational level of matter to change or alter its composition.

The machine was never fully developed that we know of, mainly because of the exacting engineering requirements as stated by the Source were to difficult to acheive with the amount of money and know how the then "team" could come up with. Plus, to get it started was a process in itself, you had to assemble the motor parts in proper order while submerged in water, maintaining the the right pressure in the drum. And all of this had to be done in the correct sequence and accomplished in a relatively small window of time to prevent the mixing of negatively and positively charged gases in the drum. To make it even harder, the readings stated that the drum had to be put into motion when the motor was precisely set along an east/west axis line...probably because of the Earths own field of positively and negatively charged fields would interfere with the whole process.

The above was referenced mainly from by Sidney D. Kirkpatrick's biographical book "Edgar Cayce An American Prophet"

Sounds somewhat similar to Bruces or Dr. Wilsons Electromagnetic theory of Gravity, except that this was given in the 1920's!!!
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Re: nonphysical vs. physical, gravity, perpetual m
Reply #1 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 5:35pm
 
HI Justin-

The manner in which the everyday world of experience in 3-space is defined precludes a "perpetual motion machine" or, althernatively, a "machine that draws on cosmic expansion".  The issues have to do with the distribution of entropy in a system. However, that does not mean that such a gadget is prohibited.

The well known physicist, Stephen Hawking, looked at the universe, arising from a single point in Voidness, which is not at all the same as occurring in an empty space, because there is not yet any space to be emptied. This initial point expanded, related to its own nature as it did so, and eventually gav rie to the world we kinow today. Hawking called it the "ultimate free lunch". This is like the gizmo you were discussing.

The manner of expansion of the universe, aside from the statistical factors of selection etc, is based on the combination of prior potentialities with current potentialities, so as to create potential fields in which tendencies appear as energy, the urge to do something.  The basic equation of state is simple:
Ut = c(^kt)(Uo)
This says that the universe at time t is equal in content to the initial universe at the Big Bang (Uo), for which all information is plowed back to create the complexion (or power set if you prefer) which is the set of all sets of the information available, and that this plowback complexion operation was repeated by some number of times (kt) related to a constant of proportionation times the time elapsed. (This expansion formula also explains the "inflation period" that cosmologists use in order to keep some of their terms constant.)

What this gives is an expanding system of potentialities in entropy space, from which we can (in principle) capture definitions of various objects in a manner that will allow us to exploit the expansion of the cosmos, so as to perpetually extract energy.  The cost is that extraction of energy will alter the shape of the cosmos, so it isn't a perfectly free lunch, but one in which we trade off one set of options for another.

The type fonts available on this forum make it difficult to write math formulas because there are no superscripts, subscripts or Greek letters, but with a little effort you can figure out what's going on.

There is nothing preventing you from personally going into the multi-dimensional space in which this type of math occurs, to make use of these ideas. If you'd like a Nobel, go for it! I use these ideas for psychotherapy, and especially for past life regressions and understanding the mechanisms by which the "Spirit World" works. But you can build a machine with them if you'd like.  Otherwise, I've thought of doing that as a project for my next lifetime.

If you'd like a reference, try: Armentrout, D. (1987). An Attributive Systems Model of the Generation of Knowledge. Ann Arbor: University Microfilms. (I got a PhD out of the idea!)

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Reply #2 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 5:43pm
 
 Lol well i like your posts Dave, but half the time i'm just scratching my head when i read your posts.  I'm not too versed in math..well actually not at all beyond the simple high school stuff Wink

 That book you mentioned, can a lay person read and understand them, especially without the math part?   I'm decent with concepts/theories, but short on the actual proof/math part.

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Otherwise, I've thought of doing that as a project for my next lifetime.


Kool beans..good luck.  I'm hoping i don't have to experience birth next life...well who knows Que Sera, Sera....

Peace,

P.S.--hey if i lived out in Cali i would love to have a regression with you.
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Inert Gas (Atlantean) Technologies
Reply #3 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 6:39pm
 
Greets,

On the topic of the 'Night Sciences' (as the Atlantean scientists called it), referring to the scientific areas that include free-energy, zero-point energy, and other associated principles, theories and practices that involve crossing over 'into the night', into areas in which a single existing set of rules or perspective, does not sufficiently encompass or explain its results.

(This is akin to what the point of the following author of this article here, in which he refers to, in the insufficiency of the various systems of logic (eg. classical logic vs  intuitionistic logic) by themselves, and the importance of transdisciplinaration).

Jon C Fox (channeler for Hilarion), being an engineer by profession, has been involved in the research and development of a particular form of free energy, known as inert gas technologies.

The Inert Gases :
http://hilarion.com/igd.html

Inert Gas FAQ :
http://hilarion.com/igdfaq.html

Sedona Journal of Emergence on recommendations :
http://hilarion.com/thau.html
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Reply #4 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 7:18pm
 
The following paper, published in Vol 1, No. 4, April 99 issue of the Journal of Conscientiology, titled "Conscientiology and Physics", discusses the merits and demerits of conceptual migrations from Physics to Conscientiology, and may be of particular interest to Physicists who are also interested in, or working with, the spiritual, consciential or evolutionary sciences.

(Click on each page below to open; note that Internet Explorer automatically scales down the image to fit into your browser window, you'll have to move your mouse cursor to the bottom right of the image, and click on the 'X' that appears to enlarge it back to its original size).


Conscientiology and Physics - pg 289

Conscientiology and Physics - pg 290 & 291

Conscientiology and Physics - pg 292 & 293

Conscientiology and Physics - pg 294 & 295

Conscientiology and Physics - pg 296 & 297

Conscientiology and Physics - pg 298 & 299

Conscientiology and Physics - pg 300 & 301


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Re: nonphysical vs. physical, gravity, perpetual m
Reply #5 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 1:02pm
 
Hi folks-
Yeah, Justin, that's my sociology dissertation, and it's pretty simple in wording.  The problem was to do a speculative philosophical development of the manner in which creativity occurs, and then to demonstrate that it works. It's in terms that are extremely simple, so that negative thinkers would have no choice but to understand the logic. When I finished that, I reworked the ideas for application in psychotherapy and went back for a second PhD which  did little more than ilustrate that the ideas are applicable for generic therapy.  I now use the same theoretical posture for applications in past life work and hypno-analysis. If you are interested in the underlying concepts, I think Univ Microfilms (actually they've changed names) charges $10-15 for a copy.

There's enough math to do the required analysis of data, but it's a verbal study. Also, the math is very easy if you are willing to understand what it says.

Kyo, those are interesting references in philosophy of mind. Personally, I've gone into my own tiny area of applications through past life work based on hypnosis and various kinds of psychoanalysis. 

The problem posed with the initial thread of this post is that we tend to presume the 3-space world and some kind of "powers of the mind" that might exempt us, or a frictionless system of some kind.  It would only take about ten minutes to review the nature of entropy transfer in thermodynamics (that is, the shift of probability fields through which tendencies for things to happen occur in the form of forces, and thus energy) to convince you that this doesn't work in the 3-space of everyday experiences. 

But we are not limited to 3-space.  The iterated complexion model generates the entirety of logical space as a potential field, one end fixed in emptiness in which a statistical operator fulfils the role of a monadic Uncaused Cause ("Hear, O Israel, Thy God is One."), then an initial dyad (God creates the Heavens and the Earth), then a triad (our 3-space), then a 7-space, and then a 127-space and so on. (Our minds operate in spaces of higher dimensions, but we do not experience them as physical.) The key would be to use the creative impulse between levels of these spaces, a problem of using a device extended into space to twist our experiential 3-space into a topological form that interprets the 3 to 7 spatial auto-transcendence as motion of some kind.  That means identification of one of the three aspects of everyday reality with a transcendental level. It's a problem in dimensionally  transcendental physics in which we substitute one dimensional definition (say X, Y or Z) for another that actually lies in a numerically higher space (say XY, XZ, YZ or XYZ).

So far, no cigar. However, there is a well known phenomenon that illustrates what I'm suggesting. When you are in a deep meditation (40 years ago I discovered this with friends who were taking LSD, but meditation is enough) if you look at a plant you'll notice that it seems to be unfolding, perpetually extending itself, and yet it doesn't measurably change in the 3-space world. (This is because of the way the the world redefines itself perpetually as a collection of relationships, giving the impression of an expanding extended manifold.) What needs to be harnessed is the "unfolding tendency".

You seem to have a pretty good mind and an academic  leaning. Maybe you'll be the one to resolve this.

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Reply #6 - Oct 31st, 2005 at 7:34pm
 
Dave,

It occurred to me, that with your extensive past life therapy and spirit releasement therapy work, your extensive academic background, as well as the many "tiny area of applications" and theories/ideas that you've formulated and developed over the years, that it might be greatly mutually beneficial if you were to join the International Academy of Consciousness (IAC) as a member (of which there are 4 levels of membership), specifically, you might like to submit several papers for publication in their scientific journal.

The members of the IAC are of all levels and backgrounds, the main scientific & research membership body including thousands of professional doctors conducting their own private practice, much like yourself, but contributing and networking their research and ideas with the rest of the IAC via the Journal of Conscientiology (JC), and various forms of organized events that often include the participation of many other scientific bodies outside the IAC.


Online Archives of the Journal of Conscientiology :
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Publications/Journal/Archives/Default.asp

International Academy of Consciousness membership :
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Academy/Membership/Default.asp

International Academy of Consciousness offices around the world :
http://www.iacworld.org/English/Academy/Membership/Default.asp
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Reply #7 - Nov 3rd, 2005 at 1:44pm
 
Thanjks Kyo - Ill check em out.
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