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a VERY  disturbing OBE
Oct 29th, 2005 at 11:49am
 
You all know that I have 'these' dreams...and it has been said here that they might be OBE's rather than dreams showing me a future event. So I am asking for some help here, from those of you who know much more about this than I do......was this an OBE? Or was it something else? I do know that this dream has a siginificant meaning to it....and if there is anything that you can do to to help, I need to know how to find this child and how to help. I NEED TO KNOW HOW I CAN HELP HER.
I can't explain how much this dream has sickened my stomach and how deeply it is bothering me.
I live in an area where there is a huge Native population and many of them are living at or below the poverty line.
Last night I was shown a vision...or taken somewhere OBE....and shown this....and I will warn you, that it is extremely unpleasant.
I was taken to a living complex by what I am assuming was a spirit guide. I say that I assume this because I could not see who was showing me this....this 'guide' only telepathically communicated with me...did not speak with me directly, just communicating with me what I needed to experience. I was led into a large, open living area...and immediately the overwhelming smell of human urine nearly knocked me over. I couldn't breath it was so strong. The living space was absolutley filthy...dirty and cluttered...and the smell? OMG. The guide told me that children lived here. I asked 'How could someone make their children live in this? How could they do this? This is awful. It smells so bad...these poor kids....omg...'

I looked around this filth laden room and was told that the mother was mostly non-existant.she was wasted on drugs and alcohol.....never there for her kids...couldn't care less about them. They were left to fend for themselves. These children were hungry and neglected.
I was then told by the guide that even tho the mother was 'as she is'....it was the father of these kids who was the one to be focused on.
The guide showed me a young child...a girl and she was about a year old and this was her home along with her other siblings, siblings that were all young....oldest being about 4 years old.
The little one year old girl looked up at me with her big brown eyes....her eyes were full of tears and so very sad looking...she just looked at me.
Her face was dirty..her hair unkept...her nose was snotty....and underneath her left eye, towards the far corner of her eye, was a fresh, open wound. My guide told me it was from a cigarrete. OMG, my heart wrecked of instant pain for this little child....and then my eyes scrolled down her tiny face to the right side of her lower cheek....just above jaw level and there was a fresh large bruise..it was blue and purple. In my brain and in my heart I was frantically trying to find some reason in this child's injuries....had she fallen into a piece of furniture or something?? My guide commiunicated a 'fist' to me.
The next phase my guide showed me was that of the father taking all these kids of his and leading them out of the room and down a hallway....I stood and watch them leave the room....not knowing what to do...but stupidly thinking that he was taking them to get them some food from the kitchen.....but once these kids were out of range of site...I heard the youngest, the little one year old start to cry. It was a cry of fear and helplessness.
I thought 'Oh no you don't! You are not going to hurt this child as long as I am here....'
I 'floated'.....I was not walking.....and my transfer to where I had been standing, to the room that they were in was instant....which is why I am wondering if this was an OBE.
He was dragging the little girl by her wrist...she was struggling to get away. She was screaming. She saw me and her eyes begged me to save her. He knew I was there too....never said anything to me....although I don't think it was possible for him or this child to actually say anything to me at all.....it was like I was a ghost or something, but they could see me...knew I was there...
I could not physically touch this little girl or intervene in anyway. Therefore I knew that as long as my presence was known, that he would not hurt this child. So I was determined to stay there as long as I could, since this was the only form of protection that I could give her.
However my guide wouldn't allow me to stay....and when I made the conscious choice to stay and be a 'guard for this child', the guide whisked me away.....letting me know that I had now 'seen what I needed to see'...I was not allowed to stay and stand guard.
This was the end of that vision or OBE. After that, there was absolutely nothing. My sleep was completely black until I woke up this morning.

Well this just isn't fair. I know that she is out there somewhere....and I don't know how to find her.
I don't understand what I am supposed to do now.
Why would this guide just show me these things and then not give me anything else to go on? It's just not fair. Why was I not allowed to stay and let my presence protect her? Something tells me that free will and free choice have something to do with this...and that the father has to be able to make a choice in how he treats his children...and that my presence was interferring with that process. But still, it is not fair. OK, well, fair for who? Me??? Because now I will live with that sickening experience of witnessing child abuse and not being able to do anything to stop it? Or fair for the sake of the child? That she is the one enduring the pain and emotional effects of her mother and father's abusive behaviour? So who is it unfair too?
I could be helping her...yet I can't because I don't even know where she is. Or is there a point to be taken on that as well? Am I not supposed to know? Or maybe this family is about to come into my life in the very near future in some way..and I need to be prepared for it?

Is there any of you that can give me some advice on what I should do now...how to try to find her? Or just in what to do?
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Reply #1 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 12:16pm
 
This is a tough one Mystic. I'm wondering if they are dead and this is repeating over and over or if this is happening now in the physical.  I think you'll just have to wait and see. You are probably being prepared to meet them. Spirit sets things up.  I hate reading about stuff like this. I know so much abuse goes on all the time. 

Be patient and watchful.

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Reply #2 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 12:34pm
 
same here Mystic, I just repeat what Marilyn said. since you did have a guide you seem to be involved in a training program which your C1 does not have all the facts. whether it's happening in physical or this is a retrieval should become known soon. I think it's a training program as you are fit for the task because of your compassion.
you may find yourself doing retrievals in the near future, but even though I know you know what hell is, so long as you can be shocked by man's inhumanity to man, your loving nature will need to develop some shock proof armor and I think your guide is just begun to help you get it so that all the children everywhere can get help.
I suspect this sort of thing goes on much more we can ever imagine. god bless you, you care. love, alysia
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Reply #3 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 4:32pm
 
This is a tough one Mystic. I'm wondering if they are dead and this is repeating over and over or if this is happening now in the physical.
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Might this be Hell, Mairlyn? I mean, the dreamlike netherworld inhabited by stupefied "souls" whose conscious minds have skated off to become an entirely different independent person...
And yessiree, there ARE kids in Hell. There goes
"love."
And these poor devils are trapped there for all the billions of centuries to come???
The one I wrote about as per "division theory"?
This is unsettling s**t indeed...

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Reply #4 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 5:25pm
 
I don't think you were shown this so that it can make you sick with grief.  I think there was something to learn about this, and you may end up with another experience later on that will close the gap for you.  Remember, you were only viewing this experience from one aspect.  You don't know the whole picture yet.  As far as it being an OBE or not, I think you are the only one to judge that.  Do you know it was not a dream?  Did you feel you had conscious awareness during the experience?  It sounds like you already know the answers.   Smiley

My advice is to write this out in a journal, don't just copy and paste what you've posted here.  But actually sit down and take time to write it out as much as you can, and you will probably have more memory of the events popping up in your writing.  Then read it over now and then and pick it apart, mentally trying to open up different aspects.  That's what I do with my experiences.  It's not enough to just think about it once and that's it.  There is always more information in there than you first realize. 
Whatever it was, it was a very powerful experience!  I'm sure there's more to it that will come to you later.

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Reply #5 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 5:38pm
 
Brendan, yes, this could be one of the 'hollow hells' in the Belief System Territories. Those are the only hells there are. A person goes to that which resonates with him/her. Now I can see the father going there but I can't see that the children would go there too unless that's all they know -- abuse. And in any case, 'there goes love' does not apply. There is always love from the Helpers and Guides who are trying to get their attention to move them to where they should be. But when they are stuck, they can't perceive the Light and that is why a physically living human is needed to get their attention.

However, the more I think of this, the more I feel that it is a real life situation that Mystic is being prepared for. And in that case, it is a hell on earth that these poor children have been born into with an abusive father.

Which ever it is, it is indeed very unsettling. I can't for the life of me understand why there are people like this father or why these children have to endure this torture.

I just watched a movie on Lifetime network called "Human Trafficking." It was about the one million children worldwide, mainly girls, who are abducted yearly for the international sex trade. There is so much going on in the world that the majority of people don't know about.

Again I'll ask you if you've read any of Bruce's books. You would learn so much from them if you did. In fact, I feel that should be a pre-requisite for being on this forum, but that's just my opinion.

BTW, since there is no time in the afterlife, a billion years would be like a few minutes.

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Reply #6 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 9:04pm
 
Hey you guys...lots of replies here for me to answer too.....and thank you so much for your input on this.....it has been eating at me all day.
Yes Vicky...I already know that this wasn't just a dream....I have learned thru years of experiencing these what is a dream and what isn't. The best way that I can explain the difference is for the most part, the impact....the feelings it leaves me with. They are incredibly vivid to be just dreams.
I have always been involved with kids..since I was 9 years old. (my first babysitting job!) As a teen, I started to become aware of some deep down desire to help ease the suffering of kids all over the world....if not on a professional level, at least to be able to hug and comfort these kids and let them feel that there was someone who they could trust and that they knew loved them and would help them. I would lay my own life on the line for any child...mine or not.
That is just the way I have always been.
I studied different areas of children's physical, mental and cognitive growth for years...and then got into early childhood education.....I was basically led in that area by 'a guide'.......and if you remember from my earlier posts months ago when I wrote about this....I could feel myself literally being led by the hand....and for the first few months of the university courses that I was taking, I could not explain to anyone why I was even these courses!!
About 5 years ago I branched out from preschool teaching and got involved with the Ministry for Children and Families and became a foster mom. I loved everything that I was doing for kids...
2 years ago I moved 1,000 miles north of where I had been living....and I wanted to continue fostering up here...however I found out very quickly that the social service workers up here in the toolies are just plain idiots.......kind of a clique-y bunch..............and they were not very welcoming of me at all in their territory. They made it very difficult for me....and so I decided to leave the profession and get into something else....hence now, cashier at large!
Maybe this is a sign for me that I have strayed too far from where I am supposed to be and that I should get back to where I once was.
I have always known/felt that my place in the Big Plan was to be with kids....and all my friends used to tell me at one time that they would always be able to find me in Heaven......just look to where the kids were gathered and they would find me.
As far as retrievals go, I have never done one...and I have no idea of how to do one......I am not even sure of what the goal of a retrieval is.
In a way I am hoping that I get more clarification when I sleep tonight......I seem to be more responsive when I sleep.
Thanks guys..... Smiley
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Reply #7 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 10:15pm
 
Wow Mystic, with your background with kids, this is the reason you are being prepared for this, whether it's going on now or what. I feel you will be working with abused children.  This will call for you to be very well centered within yourself. This is quite a job you have created for yourself, a big challenge. But I know you are up to it.

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Reply #8 - Oct 29th, 2005 at 10:29pm
 
Don't stress to much over this Mystic.  Vicky is right, more info is on the way.  I had God or a guide beat me over the head with a message once because I didn't get it the first time.

I'll share this one with you.  It might cheer you up.  When my first child, my daughter was about to turn three... I had some anxiety like a lot of first time parents have about their child's safety and well being.  I'm the type of person that hates the feeling of stress or anxiety.  And I try to adjust my belief system the minute I feel any stress.  However, worrying about your child is a hard nut to crack.  So one day while praying I expressed to God how wonderful it would be to have a guarantee that your child would be OK growing up.  What a great gift.  I could stop worrying and just enjoy life.  This was the only thing I could think of that would relieve my anxiety.  However, I expressed to God how I know he couldn't do that for me and forgive me for asking.  About a week later... The day of my daughters party I ran out for some last minute items.  I was also thinking about how we might not have enough tables for the party.  On the way to the store I drove by a tag sale.  I turned back thinking I might get lucky and find a table there.  Sure enough they had a perfect heavy duty folding table.  As the older gentleman that I bought the table from helped me load it into my truck (it was really heavy)... He says "your grandchildren will be dancing on this some day".  I laughed and was on my way.  I was in a hurry to get back.  At this point I had no reason to ever think about what that man said ever again.  Several hours later back at my house, I'm have lunch... Plenty of other stuff to think about... Three year old running around, dog on the move, wife yelling... When all of a sudden the older gentleman's voice pops into my head out of no where "your grandchildren will be dancing on this some day".  Along with the feeling of "hey wake up, do I have to come down there in person to deliver this message".  You can image the feeling I got receiving such a gift.

Hoping your message has a happy outcome.
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I'm confused by that concept, Mairlyn.
Suppose me and Mike Tyson die within two years
of each other. (He's only about two years older than
me...)
Suppose my "Hell" is to be continually used as a punching bag by Mike, and his "Heaven" is to be able to clobber people like me to his heart's content. (Hey, maybe "God" is a boxing fan... "He" sure gets "His" rocks off on WAR, assuming the Bible is true..!)
Would I not experience five minutes of being pummeled as, well... five minutes of being pummeled?
How about a billion years of being pummeled?
Just an intellectual exercise, that's all...

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Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 7:34am
 
Are you a reincarnation of the little girl or the dad?

Is your granddaughter a reincarnation of either of them?
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Reply #11 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 10:44am
 
   Hi Mystic Dreamer,

  I very much agree with Vicky, i don't think our guides show us stuff to upset us, there is usually a greater purpose.  Dunno what it is though?
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I'm confused by that concept, Mairlyn.
Suppose me and Mike Tyson die within two years
of each other. (He's only about two years older than
me...)
Suppose my "Hell" is to be continually used as a punching bag by Mike, and his "Heaven" is to be able to clobber people like me to his heart's content. (Hey, maybe "God" is a boxing fan... "He" sure gets "His" rocks off on WAR, assuming the Bible is true..!)
Would I not experience five minutes of being pummeled as, well... five minutes of being pummeled?
How about a billion years of being pummeled?
Just an intellectual exercise, that's all...

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There's a lot of supposing here. Wink
Your 'hell' would only exist for you IF it's what you want.  And Mike Tyson's 'heaven' as you say, would be his 'hell' because one doesn't keeping punching people out in a hollow heaven.

Now, you know enough about the afterlife from being on this board to KNOW that when you die, you are not going to go to a hollow hell. Unless of course that's where you want to go.  I don't see that there's any way for you to become 'stuck' in this imagined scenario.

You see, whether you realize it or not, some Light has gotten to you from being here. Roll Eyes And because of that Light, you will be attracted to a place where you will learn more, that is, if you want to. It's all up to you and what your beliefs are at the time of death which is not really death as you know by now.

I think you're just playing with me anyway. LOL 

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Reply #13 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 1:58pm
 
Hi Mystic Dreamer,
maybe you will receive further informations about it. I want just take what you wrote and what ideas I have why this is shown to you:

You are caring for children. So, you know there is a lot of children's abuse. Now, your experience could be a message for you to become more aware of what's going on inside you. Maybe it should force you to make a decision. You watched that scene but couldn't really help (we don't know what effect your presence had). So, the decision could be: If you are concerned about children's abuse but you are not active in prevention or healing those children and you can't do it in the future, then stay away from this topic because it will make you sad and you're not helping anyone then. OR you should become active in this matter, maybe it is a deep wish inside you to do it but covered in C1. Both decisons would avoid the situation you were in, to be near a brutal act but not able to prevent it.

Don't take this as advice, just as ideas of mine.

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Reply #14 - Oct 30th, 2005 at 6:06pm
 
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Now, you know enough about the afterlife from being on this board to KNOW that when you die, you are not going to go to a hollow hell. Unless of course that's where you want to go.  I don't see that there's any way for you to become 'stuck' in this imagined scenario...
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That is assuming, of course, that I will have the faculty of rational thought, and won't be a stupefied "automaton" like I am in my dreams...
When I dream, I AM stupid... it is like I lose my ability to reflect on a situation (i.e. when my teeth fall out in a dream, or my thumb falls off - like it did in my dream a couple nights ago... I don't think "Hey, I'm dreaming" I think it is for REAL. But why would your thumb just drop off in C1 life? It WOULDN'T, that's why. It wouldn't jibe well with the good old Newtonian physics which govern C1 so reliably. So why can't I understand that when I'm DREAMING and it DOES happen?)
Is it because my CONSCIOUS mind has split away from my subconscious, off on its own adventures perhaps... and I'm experiencing from the viewpoint of my stupid, irrational believe-anything-it-sees subconscious mind?
That IS scary, no???
BTW, I'm not playing games with you, Mairlyn. I'm
"dead" serious here...

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