As i said before, you cant prove "love" exists, so you cant tell when people give it, or when your giving it.

Life does'nt evolve around love. Sad but true.

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But, your love, would'nt be anothers version of it, someone whos scared of drowning aint gonna like the ocean view.

I understand peace, and tranquility, but none of those are love.

as i have said before, "love" used as a context of the "the familiarity of an object", is just selfishness kicking in.

You "love" somthing for what pleasure they give you. Once they loose that pleasure then hate, and bitterness kick in.

Money, is what makes the world go round.

Money, in terms of security? no.

Money allows you to buy things which give you pleasure.

Money, could buy you, your ocean view/ it could buy you a pack of dogs.

Now on to organs, the heart is a pump, for to long people say "feel goodness in your heart". The heart dont feel diddley p00p except real physical pain/sensations.

i dont feel bad and me heart goes into arrest.

This aint a personal attack by the way, i just want to get my point across, thats beliefs based on fairy tales, lead to hate/bitterness and dissapointment.

I like you I don't know why but if Í didn't I would say that I wish you to find a truth exactly like you think (or is afraid of ) it is.

I did not let it clear which one was that one with the empty life. You choosed it by your own.

When we are in the initial steps of our evolution we only feel sensations.

After some thousands of years we start to have  instincts.

Some time after we are able to feel sentiments\emotions.

The next step is to feel and understand love and faith that are beyond any explanation.

Go ahead you have a lot to discover
(just a few parts of it will be learnt from external experiences I’m sorry)

Spitfire

I'm really happy I love the life, my wife, my son and some others near me.
How about You? If you is happier than me so I'm interested at all you have to teach me but if you don't …sorry I'll let it go.  So?

Mystic

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I did feel your words like a kiss in my heart, thank you.

Spitfire how can I explain LOVE to you?

Let's try

What is love and what is not?

Is love:

You know if you love a grill when you’d rather see she (her?) in other guy’s arms than smashed by a truck

Is not love:

You know you don't love a grill if you'd rather see she (her?) smashed by a truck than in other guy's arms.

Did it helped a little?

English is not that easy to me.

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You really anger me.
Some people on this board are complete weaklings.

You dont even know kardec, for all you know he could be a mass murderer, but "he's a peaceful, kind man, i can feel love ozzing from ever pour, (does'nt matter that you cant explain what love is though).

You proved my point about money, No i wont be happy without it. I would be hungary and homeless cold and miserable unable to feed my family. You would'nt be happy either. "loveness" aint gonna make your body stop crying out for food, or your child dieing from starvation.

I NEVER claimed money made the afterlife turn round, only this world.

You married someone who beat ya, it says to me your a gulable person, who will believe anything people sell.

I am usually as honest as i can be. You may not like what i say, but it's what i think. It's based on FACTS. Not a fairy tale.

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Ha ha ha ha  

now I realized why I like you. I was a bit down but you simple gave me some gooood laughs just now.   Thank you....
   
I guess you’re a good boy . Maybe a little nervous but still a good boy.

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Everyone calculates what someone else's death will cost them. When you lose a parent, you think to yourself, i cannot experience the things i used to, because there no longer here, and you feel sad and regret for things you should have said/done.

You dont think, "i worry about whats happened to there soul etc".

Spitfire,

You said: Everyone calculates what someone else's death will cost them.

Did you ever stop to think what your beliefs are costing you?

in peace, blink

You see, no one can explain what Love is, so i cant say if i can understand it.

Dont get me wrong, i feel admiration/respect, and i feel attached to people. Yet i dont get this magical wonder drug everyone base's there lives upon.

i could classify love as "an attachment to an object/person, who gives me pleasure" or that im proud of. But that would be the limit.

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There natural occurance's not beliefs blinko.

When i see people weeping at a funeral, i feel they are stealing attention, becuase they know someone will give em a good hug. I think there just being selfish as is everyone else at the funeral.

When you were a father and were locked at an office bored with all those papers but in the other hand you know that your son is at the swimming pool kidding happily you'll understand that your idea about love is a misunderstood.
(but as I’ve said it’s no time to you yet)

boy...boy

Love is all around you today, dear Spitfire.  I know you feel it.  Your arms are waving around but we have all been holding you in our arms the whole time.

love, blink

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Where is your heart?

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I guess you've never had a dog. Dogs are here to show us how to love unconditionally. Get a dog and you will see LOVE in it's purest form.

Namaste`
Mairlyn

I make you angry, do I Spitfire? Well....there is hope at least....you can at least feel ONE emotion.
Your remark to me about how I was beaten by my ex husband and now I am so gulible that I would believe anything is the most insensitive remark that I have ever heard.
Just what kind of person are you REALLY?? Why are you even here on this board?
I may have been a beaten wife at one time....but I am not gulible...not by any means. And I will tell you right now, for whatever it is worth to you...that I learned alot from those years.....those experiences in my life have given me the opportunity to learn humility....self respect, diginity....to forgive, to tolerate and understand even the worst behaviours in people. Those years taught me to find my true self....to be able to find and feel the real meaning in life...I was once at that bottom of the cesspool....and the rose back up to the top by means of 'love'........the love of loving myself, others and by the love of being able to feel all the beauty in things around me.
You my dear boy....have so much yet to learn....and not in just the afterlife, but in the basic's of life itself. I would suggest that a good starting point for you would be in learning to love yourself...then maybe you can graduate sometime soon and begin to love others.
When I wake up every morning, I am happy....I might hear the rain falling....it is music to my ears.....because I can 'hear'.
It may be sunny.....I can see the vibrant rays of the sun....I am happy....because I can 'see'.
I slowly get out of bed.....I have degenerative disc disease in my spine......it causes me great pain many mornings to take even one step....but I am happy because I can still walk......
At the end of the day when I go back to bed....I am happy because I have given my granddaughter a huge hug....and that I told her a million times that day how much I love her......she is my sunshine...and every day that I am alive, she will know that.
I can go to sleep at night with peace and contentment in my heart....because my day was filled with being ALIVE..... and having had yet another day to experience all the beautiful things to see and feel.
When you see a dog chasing after the butterflies......and you can smile at that and feel his joy in what he is doing.....that is 'love'.
When you can fall asleep listening to the wind twirling thru the trees.....that is 'love'.
When you can hear the song in your heart....that is 'love'.
You Spitfire.....are not going to find 'love' in a can marked: Instant Love. You have much to learn.
Am I gullible?? No way!!! I am happy.

Spitfire, you said:
I was finding it hard to breath ^+.... i thought it was because other people felt threatend because i think there beliefs are not real.

No, Spitfire, you were finding it hard to breath because you needed to stop and take a breath.

Just stop and listen a while.  The world holds so much more for you than you think it does.

love, blink

Hey Blink.........and thank you!! You are a very special person in my eyes too, did ya know that kiddo??! 

"...(yes it's true, i learned that on the first agility course i went on)..."

Some things you learn others you don't. Sorry boy.

Now I got it.

As you can't reach our knowledge of love you need technical explanations in order to at least imagine what we've already got... Oh boy! Sorry I was not realizing that you were lost this way.

Ok I'll confess we’re all liars we’ve never felt love to be honest we are all mass killers and this site is our joining point. Our main mission is to make people believe that love is real in order to transform then into manageable puppets. Once achieved such a goal we will have the whole planet under our control and I was chose the one who will rule the world. But now that you've got us We’re lost Now that you've realized our evil plans we will have to change the plan.

God dam! You got us.

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Got Emo?

Listen, guy. A lot of people on this board don't like to offend anybody else, which is wonderful and I praise them for it, but I'm as blunt as a wooden club; you're not going to get that from me.

These people are genuinely attempting to help you find what love is, if you're actually even interested, and you keep treating them with disrespect. That's both degrading them and yourself, you know that? It's not healthy in any possible way.

If you truly believe denying human nature, insulting, jeering, and hurting others and yourself makes you strong, and you truly believe that everyone here is weak because we actually give a damn about the world we live in, why don't you just scamper off and do whatever macho thing it is that you do?

Love is a heightened connection to someone that is, I believe on a physical level, marked by hormone levels in the brain. Love on a simply instinctual basis is merely the need to protect one's mate to ensure offspring.

The fact that we can't explain love on an emotional basis doesn't say a thing about its existence. You can't see the wind, but you feel its effects.

Stop insulting our intelligence and your own.

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You really anger me.
Some people on this board are complete weaklings.
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Hello again, Spitfire.
Tell you what. You and me aren't friends and we never will be. I wouldn't have it any other way, and I think you'd say the same. "Facts is facts"... I think you can dig that.
But I've gotta give the Devil his due...
You AREN'T the Dumbsky Sh!tsky that I had you figured for, you are a thinking individual. That's a GOOD thing in my book. If I didn't think that you were, I wouldn't be speaking to you, period.
I'll even go so far as to say, my response to you on 29 September was UNWARRANTED... I'll admit my blood was boiling to start with about my cousin, and something about your post set me off. What the Hell, eh?
Nobody's Mr. Perfect... Not me, and not you.
'Nuff said on that. You call other people "weaklings" on account of their ideas.
What do you mean? What is "weakness" in your book, Spitfire? I'm curious.
Also, I must admit, your arguments and attitude intrigue me, in spite of myself. (I daresay you and I have more in common than EITHER of us would like to admit. To wit, we are probably the two most opiniated bastards on this entire forum..!)
So - let's grab the bull by the horns.
I hereby repeat my invitation to P.M. me, and we can talk some more in a PRIVATE venue. Why are you here, for starters? No accusation intended, I'd like to see what got you interested in this stuff, and what you'd like to find out about it.
Why not have a civilized exchange of ideas, you and I?
Are you game?

B-man

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The heart is classified as the love center because of the heart chakra, one of our 7 main chakras. Do a search on it, you just might learn something.

As far as dogs wagging their tails, that's not the only way that dogs show us unconditional love. I just realized that trying to explain anything to you is a waste of my time.

Namaste`
Mairlyn

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You can only prove it to yourself.

And it would save me a lot of time if you looked things up for yourself. A true seeker seeks for himself.

Namaste`
Mairlyn

Justin 2710, I really liked your response to Spitfire because for the past week I have been drawn back to Monroe’s discussions with his probes concerning I-There and (M) in UJ (pgs. 185 thru 199) and want to go a bit further in connecting the theories about energy to Love feelings, loving attitudes, and beliefs based on love and how these things work to effect positive results in our lives.  I know they work but I’m trying to better understand the hows and whys (and NO I ain’t talking about being rich).  While I’m reading Monroe’s description of (M), I’m also trying to coordinate it with Jampolsky’s, Mini Course for Healing Relatioships and Bringing About Peace of Mind , based on ACIM and remembering the positive results I receive in counteracting the feeling of fear when I use the love exercise given by Bruce in The Afterlife Guidebook. I didn’t fully internalize the concept that it is the use of energy derived from our emotions that makes the love energy (UJ pg.176) work and prevents the fear energy from gaining a foothold, but I’m getting there.  So your response helped me to tie some of these fragments together to gain a bit more understanding of the mechanics and gave me the motivation to attempt to put it in writing.

What I’m coming up with so far is that because:  

1.I can see/feel the positive results of this Love energy in action: For example: feelings of peace within and without as I never expected to find as I interact in my physical/non physical environments and experience a reduction in my fears while doing so. I’ve also had the perks of feeling and giving PUL just for fun in addition to my gaining a sense of empowerment and a bit more gratitude for being here. I also experience more of a sense of adventure in my life especially in dealing with others and lots of other good stuff but Spitfire and Justin are right, this is very selfish indeed but then again, I doubt anyone can give love without loving themselves first.
 
2.And can use many ways to start the Love energy going: I can choose to take position/attitude/beliefs in thoughts and behaviors, which create more positive interactions.  For example I: Use ACIM or Jampolsky’s non-sectarian version of ACIM , and say to myself with the goal of internalizing these views, “The essence of my being is love as it is with all others humans, I can choose peace instead of this, Since love is eternal-fear of death is not relevant, I can be a love seeker rather than fault finder, I can always perceive others as either extending love or giving a call for help, Giving is receiving, My safety lies in my defenselessness, Today I will judge nothing that occurs…etc.” or use any other affirmations/ statements that help me to stay focused on a more positive track. I’m trying to understand the suggestion made to Monroe in UJ  of turning your (energy) receptors off by deliberately ignoring negative influences but the power of this is still new to me and it does help to use Bruce’s seeing it not there or trying his Law of Love and Fear exercise to allow for more loving experiences.  I the past, I’ve told myself to just let something go which I would formally stew over. Of course others might use a combo of these plus any other methods which aid in using love energy and redirecting negative energy. (Obviously us humans always have the option of maintaining or taking the opposite stance, that of perpetrating negativity as many do because either way the energy/thought thing would work.)

3.And this works because Love is an energy and we are all connected: For example: Justin’s concept that if Unified Field Theory was proven that everything has consciousness, that all Consciousnesses were alive…etc. and Monroe’s findings recorded in UL chapter 13, Fine Tuning regarding “(M)-broad field of energy…unrecognized by contemporary civilization…common to and operational within and out side time space present… (M): adjacent to thought>Love [(mine), fear, hate, etc.] is band of (M) adjacent to thought…thought affects and modulate (M) radiation. Learning to control (M) Field thought radiation, etc”.  In other words emotions/feelings are energy which effects all beings in physical or non-physical planes.  

Great theories to play around with in a general sort of way when discussing, Is Love Real(?) and the mechanics of how it might work in all types of situations where people connect.  

For those of you who don’t believe that love is real because you can’t see, taste, or feel it but that fear is because you can see, taste, and feel it, what is there to loose by experimenting with love as a real tool at your disposal as many use the tools of fear, or hate, or any other negative emotion which surrounds to protect you/them from sadness from loss, hurt from being rejected or abused and to generally ward off others from getting too close.  Really, what do you have to loose that you haven’t lost already?  Personally I’ve gained much by trying these different love suggestions/exercises because of being tired of hurting, feeling at the mercy of my emotions, being angry, and have instead enjoyed playing with them and/or using them at different times in the past 15 years.  I don’t wish to go back to that space where I didn’t have the experience of seeing that these types of love belief exercises really do work in changing what I attract into my life and for peace of mind.  Maybe someday all this Love glue stuff will be visible under a microscope, as Spitfire would like, but I doubt it because I think it’s greater than merely the physical.  Just thought I’d throw this out there in case it fills in the gaps for someone on a similar path.    

Jean

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Since I do like to prove things for myself, which I did when I read Bruce's books and attended TMI and started exploring the afterlife MYSELF, my bear skin is getting thread-bare and I'm ready to graduate to a buffalo robe. 

Give a man a fish and he can eat. Teach a man to fish and he can feed a village.

Peace, Mairlyn 

And yes, keep a grain of salt handy. BUT...
It may give you some food for thought.
Here it is:

www.cfpf.org.uk/

Good questions, BTW. Remember a couple things,
though...
We are all "locked inside our skulls", if you please. We are all essentially ALONE, reliant on subjective impressions processed via our brains. Just HOW reliable are those 5 senses of yours when it comes to ultimate objective reality (if it even exists..!) And do our brains function as a "storage tank" for memories... or are they a "receiver" of some kind? Current science gives us no answer, and EITHER ONE could easily account for the mental deterioration of say, Alzheimers OR loss of function due to brain damage.
Some of the latest developments in physics seem to indicate that physical reality is a "hologram" projected from an "intrinsic reality"...
What the hell is DOING this "projecting", might I ask???
Also... you seem to place great faith in current scientific "wisdom" regarding the nature of the universe. Remember... we are a PRIMITIVE civilization, Spitfire. What the hell do we really KNOW about ultimate reality? Most popularly "canonized" cosmological thinking is based on 17th-century Newtonian ideas... (And furthermore, ask yourself why we are (practically) no closer to a cure for cancer than we were at the end of World War 2, when we first made cancer a "big science" priority... or why we still rely on BURNING THINGS to produce energy - just like we did a couple millennia ago? And where's those flying cars and fusion reactors we were supposed to have by now?)
I'll talk to you some more, after I sleep off all the beer I drank last tonight.
Till then,

B-man

The Field is heavy reading but it ties our consciousness and the universe together in terms from the smallest level, to larger ones.  It is worth a read - best book I have read recently


Matthew