I started thinking - Justin posted on Edgar Cayce, and some posted on Elias.  People gravitate toward sources they believe are true.  Justin, I read your post, but I went to Cayce's advice on Lupus again, and I must say it was, on a physical level completely wrong.  The bowel in lupus has been studied under a microscope, and there is no trouble with bowel permeability or toxins.  All the modes of treatment would, without conventional therapy lead to the death of an ill patient with lupus in this day and age.  None of what was written makes sense medically - but it does make sense with what Edgar Cayce the man knew at the time.

As for Elias' statement that we have no path, no learning and are all perfect and only here to experience, I have stated on another thread that is only in part right, but I believe mostly wrong.

My main point in all this is not to debunk anyone's beliefs, but only to say, these sources are not perfect, so don't get caught up in the literal word for word interpretations as a "gospel."  Alysia put it best - take from them what is good, discard the rest. 

Zealotry is usually a sign that the conscious mind can not be open to all possibilities.  Justin, I sense you are open to more than Cayce, but he did channel useful information.

I think this is an important thread.  We are essence trying to understand and learn.  We need to explore many possibilities.

Matthew

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 Hi there Matthew,

 Very much agree, there is no one single belief system which contains the whole of what Creation is, and even if you added up all the belief systems, especially on the points which correlated, then it would still not be enough.

 Yet i would say that perhaps there is only one path to Source--PUL?  And putting it forth every second of your life.  Sounds hard, and it is, but its our true nature, i believe.

Hi Dave,

 I would say that usually Cayce went past alll of the astral...  Astral is just "emotional" energies i think.  As i understand it, Cayce tapped into Source for the spiritual and Life Readings, and for health had various helpers, and did astral travel to check out their bodies.

 Btw--Matthew, if you could p.m. me with the case number of the Cayce Reading for Lupus, i would be interested in it.  I looked up Lupus in that Cayce Encyclopedia of Healing book i mentioned earlier, and the only Lupus it mentioned was Lupus Erythematosus.

 It says it is a superficial, localized discoid of the skin.  In the mild form of the disease, known as discoid lupus, the skin is characterized by red single or multiple plaques on the face.  Systematic Lupus may affect multiple organ systems and mainly occurs in you woman.  Symptoms are various and may include anything from fever, anorexia, weight loss, etc.  

 Cayce only gave one reading on Lupus erythemato, and the main cause was cited as a disturbance in the excretory system which caused a build up of toxins.  Also noted was incoordination between lymph circulation and certain cerebrospinal areas, which had produced irritating accumulations of fluids under the skin.

 She had a slew of all kinds of symptoms.  The main advice for healing was a form of electrotherapy to help empty the gallbladder and stimulate the kidneys...  and twice weekly osteopathic massages to help stimulate and improve overall circulation.

 She was given digestive aids, and was advised that if her poor eliminations persisted to have high colonics and she was given dietary advice.

 She was counseled to have a better attitude towards life, more positivity, be less anxious, etc.

 One month later, after following the suggestions in the reading, she reported general improvements.

 I dunno, what does the medical establishment say that causes this form of Lupus?  You can p.m. if you want, or not, whatever floats your boat.

Shalom

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Hi Mair,

For the most part i very much agree...  I especially agree that there is truth in all things, people, and belief systems.  But its relative because we are dealing with unrealities and illusions on the surface.  You're right, we shouldn't concentrate on these surface illusions...and i believe we should be more worried about how we treat our fellow souls.

Consider Yeshua and his time period, you've mentioned him at least a few times....

 When Yeshua was growing up, he grew up in a system where there much greed and corruption...hmmm not that different from our cycle in this respect..

 The Pharisees, Sadducees, and Scribes had a strangle hold on the people and their teachings once full of truth, became twisted to suit ego purposes and spiritually dead and they were misleading many...

 Did Yeshua completely ignore this?  By no means, even though he wasn't political at all.  He oft spoke out against the corruption, especially of those spiritual belief systems which were blocking greater light coming through.

 This is happening today with the Churches and traditional and dogmatic religions...  Yet, the New Age movement has started to become dogmatic too, and in some cases a tool to mislead....

There is need for greater clarity if we truly are going to Ascend collectively...this, clarity, happens more so from living the life and being an example of truth...  Yet so many are caught up more so in their belief systems...

Now do we take the passive stance?  Or do we take the active stance that usually was Yeshua's way?  This is a very real concern to collective growth, and there are some teachings out there, mainly channeled ones which are convincing people to take the passive stance....

 This golden age is not just going to be handed to us... Why else would people like Bruce be running around like crazy and getting this important active info out there?  Not that Bruce either has the whole truth.  But there is a reason why so many of us are quite attracted to his energies overall---they are quite fast vibrating.

This cycle is just too important and momentous to just sit on the fence about stuff, or do we want a repeat of Atlantis yet again?

Your above advice seems to be very right brain oriented...  Yet do we not have a left brain too?  Are we not suppose to discriminate, use our intellects, and express what we think and feel to be truth?

 There are some belief systems talked about here that by their very thought form vibrations will lead others to a path of stagnation and spiritual death....   This is not desirable from a collective standpoint, we do not need the ego anymore emphasized than it already is in this western society of ours.

 But some will say, all is Love and Light, and working out to the better... Yes this is true, but we must still be active, and if everything was so pretty and hunky dory, then we wouldn't have any Souls who have destroyed their gift from the Creative Forces of being an individual who can know itself, yet be One with the whole...  Both Bruce and Cayce talks about these lost souls, and to me this is not desirable and no degree of anyone saying that its all just so great and hunky dory...

If your culture and western civilization wasn't so darn ego centered, we wouldn't have anything like "Lost Souls" happen, would we?  At the very least it would be even more rare than it is....

Mair, if you respect Yeshua, and i know you do, look to his ways and Teachings and you can't go wrong.  He came as the perfect pattern that all can follow and most (minus the lost souls who have experience true death) will eventually become like.

His way of service and less of self is very, very hard for those with much ego to follow, yet its the only type of living which leads to lasting joy, knowingness of Source, and eventually for transfiguration of the body-carnal to the immortal body-spiritual.  Many Teachers teach this to a greater or lesser extent, and specifially for me, i've always been quite drawn to the last Buddha too.

Some teachers come emphasizing a much different and sometimes very subtle ego way...  These are spiritual traps in a sense, and we really need to use both sides of our brains, especially in balance, to discriminate among the way of Source or of ego which is death and separation...

With Love

Thanks Justin,

That was the lupus article I read too.  The skin disease is just one manifestation - usually multiple autoantibodies are causing internal problems at the same time, although they did not know it at Cayce's time.  The bowel has been studied extensively under a microscope (not involved with permeability issues), and as I said before, the methods he described absolutely would have been ineffective for this condition.

The placebo effect of mind over matter is formidable. I do not doubt that the mind/soul can heal.  But if someone seeks to bring truth from beyond, it should stand up to scrutiny or pass the sniff test with respect to our reality.  Bowel cleansings aside.

If Cayce was correct even 50% of the time, that was amazing, and he deserves to be studied.  Just with everything else in mind.

We should all share, explore, compare notes, and try to understand this strange thing called life.

Best wishes,

M

Beatifully put, Kathy.  Just beautiful.


Matthew

 Hi Kathy and Alysia,

 Very much agree, disliking and attacking the ego does no good, and often makes it bounce back stronger...  Its simply a matter of focus and attention....

 I believe we need to merge it in with our True Selves which is Light, and the Light then washes away the darkness.

 There is a fine line between a "method" and actually accepting the ego as something ultimately good or desirable...  Is hate, selfishness, back biting, intolerance, manipulation, greed, power lust, etc, etc. good or desirable...?  Most would answer no, yet all these come from "ego" and not our true selves.....  This is what the Bible talks about when talking about the Anti-Christ, it's not referring to a specific person, but an attitude that would be prevalent to a huge degree in the days to come, before the changes...  This is why Yeshua said, "As in the days of Noah, shall be the days of the coming of the Son/Sign of Man (meaning both Aquarian age of Chirst Consciousness, and the individual body Yeshua).

 If we understand what the ego is and does, then its not much desirable...  It the only purpose it serves is to allow us to be in this cacophony of chaotic and powerful physical and espeically emotional energies of the Earth...  But we're the ones that created this problem to begin with...God didn't stick us here....and to say the ego is useful is to not understand that it did manifest these problems to begin with.  Relativity and First Causes....

 Say for a moment, if this Justin Guru is accurate, then how is this aspect of ourselves which is naught but an illusionary shadow, desirable considering what we truly are and came from?

With Guru like Love

 

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Oh, ok i see want you mean.  Thank you for explaining it more clearly for me.

  I've thought about the above, but i wonder if this is possible, not to place any value judgment on anything...?

  What always makes me think of this, is our Guides, Council, and the various Elders.  If everything was in a state of perfectness, then why we do we need advice and guidance, and why do sometimes they put it quite bluntly that we are off in our thinking or way of living.

Why does one bring suffering, and the other lifts it?

  How can we be off, if nothing is neither good nor bad, to use a better phrase, desirable or undesirable, healthy or unhealthy?  That there is a difference between suffering and joy is self evident to everyone...

  If this was the case in both the temporary sense, and in the Ultimate sense (where i believe it more applies) then why any advice at all from anybody?

  It would be more like Elias seems to say, we're just experiencing.

Do we fully know there is a difference between perception and judging?  What does perception actually mean?

  Well either way, i will reread your post a few times more to see what i get. 

Thanks Sis, always getting me out of trouble   Do very much appreciate it.

Kathy:

I read your post at Linn's forum, and like it. I first made conscious contact with my guidance this past winter, and much of what I've experienced is similar to what you've experienced.

How did you come to think of things in terms of seven bodies?

Hi Justin, don't know if I can describe this well, but will try.
I think we all have healing abilities, sometimes dormant, sometimes active.
I used to think I would promote faith healing as it's really easy, with the hands and had some success. then I noticed I was focused on healing others, but first I was focused too much on the illness. pretty soon the mind is looking to find the illness so I could do my practice. the real internal practice is to feel oneness with that person before you place your hands on them. to see them as God would see them, perfect. this was the way I did it anyway, and then PUL would flow between us naturally and would seem to come from outside of me.
but then I saw that I didn't know who to heal, where to go, or whether I was even supposed to be on this path. I really was a babe in the woods.
I more these days simply don't believe anyone is diseased. I don't see it as real, because I see everyone as perfectly expressing what they have chosen on some level. if I want to use the healing hands or do it through visualization same thing happens. PUL. I see illness "as not there."
how can it be there, how can it be real if we have never left the heart of God?
to heal or participate in another's healing, there must be surrender of a belief system which says that the illness is real because it "look" real. if just for a moment you "can see it not there" is when the miracle occurs.

I think perception is partial awareness, perception is like what the situation looks like, like trying to judge a book by its cover, you can't judge a book by its cover, you actually have to read at least the forward to see whats going on. judgment would be like being close minded or too conclusive to engender exploration within partnership or within that thing called PUL.
there is conditional love on this earth, based on rules and conditions
then there is a pul which is just free for all, with no conditions which flows. I think a good name for it would/could be called grace.

it's rare to find, even rarer to feel.

re: one path
I think that judgement separates and perception expands...what we judge is what we often surprise ourself by becoming or forget that we have been in the past.

I think that we evolve by learning gratitude for all things and that change is our teacher.  If it is painful to change we will believe that we hate our teacher.  But it is our teacher nonetheless and we will remember the teacher later with love.

love, blink