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The trouble with one path to enlightenment (Read 9427 times)
Justin2710
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Re: The trouble with one path to enlightenment
Reply #15 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 3:48pm
 
  Another thought:  Say if i notice a bunch of people start to argue with me in various walks of life, and this is something i percieve...

   I can 1. choose to let it bother me, and take it personally, as if they are trying to "teach" me and i believe that implies i don't know as much as them, or something.

Or 2.  I can say yeah i percieve this, but it doesn't matter to me at least not in a way that brings up negative feelings and then i change my focus.

  Are both cases judging, or is 1. judging, and 2. just percieving?

  I'm asking honestly... I lean to the second case, that 1. is judging  and 2. is percieving.

Is this what you are trying to say Kathy?
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Re: The trouble with one path to enlightenment
Reply #16 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 5:08pm
 
Hi Justin, don't know if I can describe this well, but will try.
I think we all have healing abilities, sometimes dormant, sometimes active.
I used to think I would promote faith healing as it's really easy, with the hands and had some success. then I noticed I was focused on healing others, but first I was focused too much on the illness. pretty soon the mind is looking to find the illness so I could do my practice. the real internal practice is to feel oneness with that person before you place your hands on them. to see them as God would see them, perfect. this was the way I did it anyway, and then PUL would flow between us naturally and would seem to come from outside of me.
but then I saw that I didn't know who to heal, where to go, or whether I was even supposed to be on this path. I really was a babe in the woods.
I more these days simply don't believe anyone is diseased. I don't see it as real, because I see everyone as perfectly expressing what they have chosen on some level. if I want to use the healing hands or do it through visualization same thing happens. PUL. I see illness "as not there."
how can it be there, how can it be real if we have never left the heart of God?
to heal or participate in another's healing, there must be surrender of a belief system which says that the illness is real because it "look" real. if just for a moment you "can see it not there" is when the miracle occurs.

I think perception is partial awareness, perception is like what the situation looks like, like trying to judge a book by its cover, you can't judge a book by its cover, you actually have to read at least the forward to see whats going on. judgment would be like being close minded or too conclusive to engender exploration within partnership or within that thing called PUL.
there is conditional love on this earth, based on rules and conditions
then there is a pul which is just free for all, with no conditions which flows. I think a good name for it would/could be called grace.

it's rare to find, even rarer to feel.
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Re: The trouble with one path to enlightenment
Reply #17 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 8:07pm
 
The idea that we are perfect is just another weird idea pulled out
of a blue sky. As we look around at our lives, the mistakes we
make, and the learning taking place, that is what is going on. If
we look at the divorces, the financial mistakes, the relationship
errors, the ordinary physical mistakes, there is no way that you
can describe what we do as perfect. And this is similar in the
afterlife also. People take mistaken beliefs into BSTs and keep
them. They also sometimes take poor attitudes with them, that don't
change without further learning.

To call us perfect is a misuse of the English language. If that is
supposed to be a description, it does not fit what it presumes to
describe. It is not the right word for the obvious situation.

Also to say there is no right or wrong, that is just a way to get
along in a controversial situation without too much rancor.
It is appropriate for a field like this where it is difficult to
establish more than a few things.

But those of us who are in pursuit of serious demonstrable
knowledge, there is such a thing as right or wrong.
We want to build up a professional body of knowledge, so that you
could teach it or write it up. We don't want to wallow around
forever in a great big mess of mere opinion.

Science has been described as a collection of corrected mistakes.
And when it is found out that something is wrong, it is just as
much a part of progress as is finding out that something is right.
A recent post was about the Vatican saying that the Bible may have
errors, that is progress. Finding errors has been for some years
for me, a key clue to evaluate sources. Once you see what you can
decide to your own satisfaction is an error, you can disentangle
yourself from what you can't make any sense out of.  When I was in
Ufology, all sorts of unbelievable things had to be sorted through.
When I found an error, that was a very helpful clue.

It was a breakthrough for me when a voice turned up in the Leslie
Flint material, which described that there where spirits out there
who wanted to be helpful, but they themselves were not enlightened
to the higher level. I now did not have to worry that much about
what they had to say.

I sort of grew up in the area of the paranormal on the idea that we
down here are intentionally limited, and those up there have the
real knowledge that is way beyond ours. Now, I don't think so. I
don't think that once you are dead, now you know better. I think
the gurus up there can be just as nutty as the ones down here. They
take their nuttiness with them when they cross over.

Also, I think that they can get into pockets of isolation, or
ghettos, just as we can down here. Like Berkeley, CA is a liberal
ghetto, and so is the academic world some kind of a ghetto. Down
here we now have the internet where we can check all kinds of
things. And I wonder how well knowledge is accessed up there. Can
they access knowledge in a few minutes, the way we can at a
keyboard?

We already know about BSTs where unenlightend ideas continue. I
don't think channeling necessarily comes from enlightened areas,
just different areas that may or may not represent better
understanding.

I am beginning to put a higher value on Earth life, thinking it is
not merely a temporary use of a body, but an important place to
develop knowledge and discuss ideas, and an augmentation alongside
of other conditions of the soul. I am wondering if the way we
collect knowledge in forums could sometimes be better than merely
flitting about the universe as a free soul.
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Re: The trouble with one path to enlightenment
Reply #18 - Oct 24th, 2005 at 8:07pm
 
re: one path
I think that judgement separates and perception expands...what we judge is what we often surprise ourself by becoming or forget that we have been in the past.

I think that we evolve by learning gratitude for all things and that change is our teacher.  If it is painful to change we will believe that we hate our teacher.  But it is our teacher nonetheless and we will remember the teacher later with love.

love, blink
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