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A proposal about TIME
Oct 21st, 2005 at 6:43am
 
Imagine:

(A) There is that sequence of photos of a person’s life, they are all in line. The first one is that person’s birth and the last one is that person's funeral.

(B) You have a peace of paper cut as a little window that fits exactly a single photo size, and it can slide along the line of photos from the begin to the end of it.

(C) So as long as you move this little window along the line of photos you can see each moment of this person's life one at a time.


Let’s consider


(A)= Past, present and future can be happening at once they're only different pictures of the same “line”. (future already exists)
(B)= The piece of paper cut as little windows is our C1 consciousness.
(C)The photo where the little windows is stopped over at this moment we could call PRESENT.

So let’s imagine that we were able to throw the little paper window away and got an entire line of picture’s view. We would be aware of all the line of photos. (past/present/future)

Conclusion:

Moving our consciousness focus could mean changing the position of our little window from the point it is now from a point ahead (for instance) in the line of photos of the existence.

So it would be possible to see the future once it’s happening just now. We only have to change our focus. (our mind is all along it but our focus is not)

Am I nuts ???????
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Reply #1 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 8:30am
 
Yes, Kardec,

Some of us here do believe we occasionally can alter our focus to do this.  I'd like to think that to an extent it is actually possible.  Some people believe they can receive guidance from their "future" self. 

I may have received such guidance from time to time.  It could have just as easily been that kind of guidance rather than another "being" in the afterlife or a "higher self" --  I really don't know for sure.

I like to think that our future self might be able to alter our past self, to iron out the wrinkles here and there....

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Reply #2 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 8:33am
 
Hey Kardec,

I like your posts, they are full of insight and make you think, sometimes for more than once and on the same thing haha but i got eventually lol! Plus they are enjoyable to read as well.

I understand compeletly what you are saying and agree if this is already planned and already happened (confused about how we can experience and see he future while still being in present and specially not know about it) well then yes we can change our focus or maybe look at a new window when we are out there.

The thing i don't get is that what about natural or free will? there has been loads of talk on this so i apologise in advance but surly our free will cant be predicted...or maybe we don't have any and just believe we do. If we do then surly what we see on our line (refusing to call time line Smiley lol can be changed and we need regular updates if we are interested in seeing our future as even little free will choices can affect the future.

Would love to hear your thoughts on this side on the line but apart from that i like the symbolism you did with that, is that the right word? helped me understand really well so it must be good lol!

Ryan
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Reply #3 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 8:41am
 
Ryan,

If you believe in timelessness, free will still exists.  How?  Because past, present and future exist at the same time, but all are constantly in flux, and dynamic.

In this "everpresent" mind-numbing system, conscious thought can effect the past and future.  How do you effect the past?  By setting a conscious intention to do so.  Of course you are not going to magically change your present in C1.  But your creative will may make changes in the past as well as the future.

I mentioned in another thread the random number experiment.  Where a ticker tape of heads or tails was randomly generated to produce 10,000 coin tosses.  By pure statistics it should be close to 50% heads and tails.  Volunteers were then asked to take the printed out tape in a box, and concentrate on "heads."  Now, understand, the tape was already formed and printed.  When the tapes were read after the intention, there was a statistically significant difference in heads/tails.  This could only have happened by a present intention changing a past event (the random numbers being generated).  This expereiment was done in the PEAR laboratory I believe in Princeton university.

So, I think free will exists in this system where past present and future are always there but dynamic and in flux. 

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Reply #4 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:07am
 
Matthew thoughts = My thoughts Wink
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Reply #5 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:35am
 
I basically believe that time isn't real, partly because I've had experiences which have told me that it isn't.

During one experience I knew beyond a shadow of doubt that there is no such thing as a particular moment of time, and no such thing as a particular location. I understood that it is impossible for such things to exist, and they are nothing but concepts.

Another example: Back in the days when I was into Eastern philosophies, I used to think, "when I obtain enlightenment, how will I be able to feel completely happy about things, when I know that a universe of suffering beings still exists." One day while driving some place, I got this deep intuitive understanding that the universe of suffering beings I'm concerned about doesn't exist, because time isn't real. Therefore, my moment of enlightenment is the exact same moment in which all other beings also obtain enlightenment.   Nowadays I think in terms of spiritual perfection rather than enlightenment, but the same principle applies.

Free will? You're going for a walk one day with a heart full of love, and you come upon a person who is in need of help. Hypothetically you might say, I can choose to help this person, or I can choose not to help this person. But do you really have a choice? If the love in your heart moves you to help them, then you're going to help them.

Sometimes things work out so that people aren't able to see the love that is in their heart, but once they are free to see its merits, why would they turn it down? 

My feeling is that in order to discover what's possible when it comes to God's creative power, and in order for us to be able to exist as distinct souls, we have to get lost for a while.

I've received insights that my higher self is this free awareness that is able to view everthing with a comprehensive awareness. Part of what enables it to do this, besides its basic nature, is its freedom from thought influencing belief systems and emotional attachments. Despite this freedom of mind it "can't" just do anything it wants, because the love it feels causes it to act responsibly towards everything else.
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Reply #6 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:39am
 
I agree with this. Despite how things seem while experiencing linear time, everything is actually worked out in one instant.

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If you believe in timelessness, free will still exists.  How?  Because past, present and future exist at the same time, but all are constantly in flux, and dynamic.


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Reply #7 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:41am
 
By the way, Vicky saw the future during her recent OBE experience (another post).
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Reply #8 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:56am
 
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Because past, present and future exist at the same time, but all are constantly in flux, and dynamic.


I find this concept so hard to understand, its like thinking about how big space is for me. First of all do you know anywhere where i can read up on this all, i really want to understand.

Ok so if they are hapening at the same time how can that be lol, because in simple terms there would have to be three me's living this life at different times in three different places yeah? Where are these places? But in more practical terms there are millions, billions of me all at each stage of my life...hmmm i think im going about understanding this wrong, if someone could give me a direction or any pointers i'd be more than grateful.

I just can understand how I can have other selves, other members but also other points of concious as me now operating on different levels etc, but i can't understand how this point of conciousness right here now, this one being me typing this can operate in in a simple three times, past present and future. this is so confusing! Sorry for asking the same questions im sure you hear a thousand times.

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Reply #9 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 10:08am
 
I don't know of any good books that address your questions specifically.

I'll say this though, awareness is limited only to the extent that we limit it.

Also, consider our conscious mind. It picks up only a small fragment of what goes on unconsciously. But is the unconscious mind really unconscious? Is it possible for there to be a place in which consciousness doesn't exist?

My guess is that God and our higher selves aren't so selective when it comes to how much they are aware of. Perhaps the goal, for some of us, is to become more completely aware like God and our higher selves are.

I don't know what the limits are, because I haven't reached them.


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I find this concept so hard to understand, its like thinking about how big space is for me. First of all do you know anywhere where i can read up on this all, i really want to understand.

Ok so if they are hapening at the same time how can that be lol, because in simple terms there would have to be three me's living this life at different times in three different places yeah? Where are these places? But in more practical terms there are millions, billions of me all at each stage of my life...hmmm i think im going about understanding this wrong, if someone could give me a direction or any pointers i'd be more than grateful.

I just can understand how I can have other selves, other members but also other points of concious as me now operating on different levels etc, but i can't understand how this point of conciousness right here now, this one being me typing this can operate in in a simple three times, past present and future. this is so confusing! Sorry for asking the same questions im sure you hear a thousand times.

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Reply #10 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 10:13am
 
We think linear due to the limitations of our brain.

Example

I’ve tried to understand it through logic for a long time despite my feelings tell me its thru I can’t figure it out clearly.

Let’s try:

You are Steven Spielberg and you are shooting a new movie. Due to some pratical reason you dived your team into several smaller teams and they are all shooting their parts of the movie simultaneously. It could be 3 scenes PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE, for instance. As long a change in one of the scenes happens the two others adapt their selves to reflect it.

The watcher of the movie (our conscious mind) would never understand the movie this way so it’s mounted in sequence to allow the watchers (C1 consciousness) to understand it.

It was the best I could think of. (I had crash on my brain just now) ???

I feel it but I can’t explain it. Sorry.
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Reply #11 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 10:44am
 
I think the problem is that with linear thought we try to understand one moment/item at a time. Perhaps awareness doesn't actually have this self imposed restriction.

I've had dreams in which I would do two things at the same time. For example, I would ride in a bus while going one place, while flying to another place at the same time. After waking up it seemed confusing, but it didn't seem confusing during the dream. It seemed matter of fact.

Also, when it comes to my most profound understandings, I can't recreate the feeling of them simply by thinking about them.

It seems to me that awareness has the ability to understand pretty much anything, without having to have some sort of thinking instrument such as a biological brain in order to do so. Even if our neural synapses come up with a conclusion about something, awareness experiences that understanding as an object of perception, similar to how it would experience any other perception.

It might seem difficult to understand how awareness could have such an ability. Since it comes from God, perhaps its ability to comprehend is unlimited just like God's creative ability is unlimited.
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Reply #12 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 10:48am
 
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I just can say BINGO. I could never explain it better Cheesy

But please let's continue to give some peace of information to this thread.
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We think linear due to the limitations of our brain.

Example

I’ve tried to understand it through logic for a long time despite my feelings tell me its thru I can’t figure it out clearly.

Let’s try:

You are Steven Spielberg and you are shooting a new movie. Due to some pratical reason you dived your team into several smaller teams and they are all shooting their parts of the movie simultaneously. It could be 3 scenes PAST, PRESENT, FUTURE, for instance. As long a change in one of the scenes happens the two others adapt their selves to reflect it.

The watcher of the movie (our conscious mind) would never understand the movie this way so it’s mounted in sequence to allow the watchers (C1 consciousness) to understand it.

It was the best I could think of. (I had crash on my brain just now) ???

I feel it but I can’t explain it. Sorry.


   I don't think any of us with bodies can fully logically grasp or understand this... I honestly don't know...but i feel that the above is a great explanation Kardec.  I also really like Matthews and Recoverer's input on it too....

  The only thing i might add, is that our "Higher Self" or more Total Self, while certainly more wiser seeming and more expanded than most of our conscious in-physical selves...is not perfection either.

  The Disk is growing too, and only becomes perfected after consistently being a Co-Creator with the Creative Forces in a like manner...  This touches upon Recoverer's post about Freewill....

  Freewill very much does exist, yet only in creating and choosing the Creators way will we have true and fulfilling freedom.... seems contradictory, or a paradox, yet its the way things are....  And many buck and kick against this, until suffering of their own making, makes them think otherwise...  then the individual Soul, bows to the Creators magnificance with humble appreciation and Love...  Like the man Yeshua of whom Cayce's Source said, "The Son learned obediance through the things he suffered."  The Creator does not punish..its just natural law that illusion though distracting for a time, very much hurts, and reality is what heals and makes one complete...this is Love...

  This is because some things, well one thing... Love energy is an absolute.  "Everything but Love is relative, yet Love is what makes all other energies relative."  By being an absolute, its throws a relative shade on all other things...

  Anything which encompasses and permeates everything else is most certainly an absolute, and not a human belief system, or mere perception....  It is Truth, it is Light, and true Knowledge.  It is the only way "back" to the Creator--the only path to walk.

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Reply #14 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 11:16am
 
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I agree with you and I would add a statement “Words of Wisdom” those you wrote.

And about love it’s another subject where I can feel what you said as true indeed  but it’s hard to figure out logically.
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