Consider this:  Even in the physical, if a person is intune enough, and sensitive enough, they can read peoples vibrations as colors, intents, feelings, character traits, etc.

  I know cause i oft pick up on peoples energies and asscocitate them with colors.  After telling people their favorite colors and shades enough (remember like attracts like), or knowing things about them i couldn't possibly know, i've gradually learned to trust this "sensing"...

  Now a Souls vibrations in any other dimension but the physical, is much, much more blatant and obvious.  True, there can be tricky souls that try to mess with us, while we are in the physical and some might not know any better.

  But if you're going OBE, or tapping into your faster mental energies (which corresponds to the 6th Chakra mainly) or faster vibrating Heart energies of the upper emotional...then a souls intent, and very Beingness is quite open to you, unless you have some self-imposed blocks--like fear.

  And again, its like attracts like... Many people who are bothered by some angry and fearful person out of physical, has usually attracted that in some way through their own vibrations...often on a subconscious level, or past karmic connections.

  There are Souls both in and out of physical who can kind of mask their enerigies, but these are Master Souls who have much skill and abilitiy in manipulating energy, to a degree the average Soul can't imagine...  Like He/She in Bob's 2nd book, Bob was feeling this tremendous Spring Sun, all the human emotions ever experienced, familiar energy, etc. and when He/She sensed Bob stopping by for a visit, He/She automatically shut down its emanations to the point that Bob wasn't getting anything, except for the mental info during their conversation...

Just an aside,

Sometimes a person does not feel that they deserve the abuse.  Sometimes a person has a great source of love to bring to a relationship, and this person is incredibly strong, and stays in the relationship as long as he/she can give love, which may be important for the abuser to experience. 

There is an inner strength which people can bring to an abusive relationship, even if the relationship must ultimately change so that the "abuser" and the "abused" can grow.

love, blink

Personally, I wasn't THAT impressed with Robert Bruce's book on astral projection.  He's the guy that co-authored the 90-day how-to AP book with the CD right?  If that's who I'm thinking of, I liked a lot of the techniques and tips, but I don't agree with everything they believed in. 

What other books have you read of his? 

About guides, I just think the individual person needs to trust their own instincts.  I have no idea if a low-level spirit can try to trick you and get away with it, but I do know I can trust my own awareness.  To me, it is just like trusting someone in the physical world.  When someone talks to you, can you tell if they are being honest and sincere?  Or can you tell if they have an ulterior motive for what they are telling you?  Maybe or maybe not.  However, when you are operating in or with the non-physical realm, you use non-physical senses that you might not be used to recognizing in the physical world.  It may take time to learn to use and trust them.  I think we all have them but we don't recognize them.  In the physical world we tend to focus on what we can see, feel, hear, etc.  We often times tend to ignore subtle things like that feeling in your gut, your heart, or that little voice in your head--your conscience.  If you pay attention to these things they are what you can trust.

Recoverer,  nicely put.   


Everyone,

The bottom line is...would you let the slight possibility of negative spirits stop you from your own explorations?  No, I would hope not.  Don't hold yourself back because of what someone else says.  Even if you don't know for sure if you have guidance out there helping you along the way, at least know that you have yourself and you can always trust yourself. 

Hey all,

Don't confuse helpers with guides.

Helpers, according to Bruce Moen,
are people who work in changing the
vibrations of deceased souls stuck in
the lower astral/focus levels, aka
retrievals.

Guides, on the other hand, are
people, who have whatever intentions
good or bad to work with *you* personally.

Helpers, I've tried to ask, can't help
you with your personal problems, that's
not their intent or profession.

-mike

I haven't read this entire thread, but if Robert Bruce is saying he doesn't believe in the enlistment of guides, I on the other hand would just say, there are times we could use a little help and nothing wrong with asking for it.
I once used a guide to help me find a used car, and it was personal and he did find me a good one. he said he does this all the time out there for others.
btw, he's extremely busy networking.
this was his service to mankind.

I have to admit he seemed to know who I was, yet I did not know from where I knew him. I just knew there was love between us. you can't just use people unless there's love between you.
I was told or sensed after this, I should not become dependent on any part of life to do anything for myself I cannot do by myself.
I actually just wanted to know if PUL, and service, was an active force "out there." it is. extremely so!

Mendel:

I don't know if you've read Rosalin Mcknight's books, but one of them said that some physical World people play the role of helpers while they are asleep, without being conscious of it. So maybe you're doing more than the retrievels you're conscious of.

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