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somebody Junior Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 53 Poland Gender:	Re: Extremely superficial topic Oct 20^th, 2005 at 2:02am hello, i think people choose what kind of life they want to experince. it's hard to imagine that some people choose pain or live for the money. i suppose there is nobody who sentences us for pain, etc. only we can do that. and that hell is a part of this life we have choosen.
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somebody Junior Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 53 Poland Gender:	Re: Extremely superficial topic Reply #1 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 2:23am because maybe before comming here i told them "don't tell me it was my choice!" and i think we should (and we wanted to) forgot that was our choice, only that way we can really experinced this life.
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somebody Junior Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 53 Poland Gender:	Re: Extremely superficial topic Reply #2 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 2:38am oh, and one more thing - maybe our helpers are telling us all the time it was our choice but we can't hear/understand them?
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somebody Junior Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 53 Poland Gender:	Re: Extremely superficial topic Reply #3 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 2:56am but logic is only in this life and there is so many people who want something but don't recive it. can you talk with yor helpers? if so, did you ask them about superficial people?
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Reply #4 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 3:06am

Would we 'believe' what we were verbally told?
Would we accept this for the total truth? How would we know this with absolute certainty?

It seems to be best that we accept only that which our reason, understanding, intelligence and our experiences accept. Then it should make some temporary sense.

We are all moving and changing all the time - never static for even a moment - therefore what we know to be true and believe to be true, is constantly changing also. This truth is why religion with it's 'written in stone' mentality, falls down.

Trying to put folk and their ideas and ambitions, fears and worries into categories is the road to the well known politicians graveyard. Ignoring this truth might make their life easier in the short term, but they no longer 'serve' once they set out in this direction.

Folk don't fit into wee ready- made boxes.
We have to fit ourselves to Life as it opens to us and not the other way round.

Religious and political subterfuges only delay us all.

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Reply #5 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 4:35am

Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The golden rule. Karma. Many people here believe that this applies in the real world and any others.

Superficial people will not necessarily be rewarded - some may end up stuck out of their own making. The closer we get to selfless love, the closer we are to our maker and true happiness. Riches and fame may make life here more comfortable, but they clearly do not by any means bring real happiness. (does anyone know the poem about Richard Corey? and song)

I do not think there is a fairness to this process of life. It is what it is. We should strive for what we know is good and for love. A selfless love, without ego and mere personal gratification. If others strive for the superficial, they may be caught in it - but not find the happiness and love our souls really seek. Their paths may be much more difficult and require more lessons in order to learn.

Unlike others here, I do not believe that much of our existence is agreed upon before birth. Generalities, yes. But much is left up to the chaotic environment we live in. If the soul is really immortal - if our spirit can truly not be harmed, then it is possible that what you or I consider to be an unfairness or tragedy would really not be as bad as we imagine in the grand scheme of things.

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SO New Member Offline Afterlife Knowledge Member Posts: 41	Re: Extremely superficial topic Reply #6 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 9:34am Did you ever stop to think that maybe you a re a “Helper’ come to help those that are ‘ready’ to leave this perxieved hell? And you are currently struggling to “find your footing’ (like anyone thrown into unknown waters) Something to think about.
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Reply #7 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 9:49am

Hey White Feather,

I'm probly wrong but understand what you are saying and I've come to believe this....

If we die and stuck in a hell or BST (Not sure whether this is Bruces or Bob's term) well we are unaware we have past over. We operate as we did in this live with no reason to believe we are past over, you and me could be in one now, but I think were not! But thats what it's like.

Now why doesn't a helper come and help, there are many reasons i believe. One is we may not believe or accept the possibilty of an afterlife, this was blocking out all contact trying to be made, remeber these helpers are of higher energy vibrational levels so can't just appear to us as we are.

We have to forget our choices, our lessons to be learnt, because what would be the point of knowing them here now, that would defeat the point. Its hard though and we may reincarnate several times just to learn this lesson because we didn't in this lifetime.

I think even when we come out of these hells/BST's we still need to be awoken, we don't just suddenly remember everything of our choices, past lifes who we were, or maybe we do i don't know? That idea just seems confusing to me and then defeats the objects for schools to help spirits who have crossed over, unless they are brand new souls...

We may not hear helpers because we may be blocking it, even if we place a strong intent, or it is not time yet and maybe by suddenly being able to hear our guides will disturb out lessons, experiences here.

I wish i could see your original post because i feel i have missed some things out but on a later note if we are in a hell/BST and desire to contact the "other side" we will awaken since we are not in a hell/BST to learn as far as i'm aware, we are just trapped by our beliefs where as here we are so we can't just awaken when we want.

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Reply #8 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 9:54am

Just one more thing, the games helpers play to give us backdoors i don't agree with, the name that is. They aren't playing a game, they are merely giving us opportunites trying to awaken us to the fact we have past, whether we take them is up to us, that is what it is. Since they can't communicate, (if they could we wouldn't be in our hell), they do truly want to help and this is the only way they can.

If we got a backdoor we wouldn't go into another hell/BST because we would be awoken to the fact of where we really out, its not relising this which is putting us in the BST/Hell in the first place.

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Reply #9 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 9:58am

Hey again sorry to be a board hog!

This is why i believe retrivals on our part our important because from what people have said on here before because our physical vibrational eneries are lower we can be percieved easier to this stuck individuals where a spirit can't, notice in retrivals how members here have helped somewhere become aware thus then they can see helpers which guide them to a place in the afterlife.

Oh and my CD Player just turned down, someone is really trying to get me too notice them! Its not the CD as the actually volume numbers went down, also it has never done this before. I haven't time to investigate yet but this must be important as they are still trying!

Ryan

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Reply #10 - Oct 20^th, 2005 at 9:58am

White Feather

Some times we are not mature enough to choose our selves the best experience to us.
At thosde moments our guides, some times, decide for us which could be an experience that could lead us to freedom.

First Point:

We all have God inside us, so we always know if we are right or wrong at a sub conscious level.
(sub counsciouss = God’s remote control)
(Then we grow up and develop our on “system”= Conscious)

Aflek

If Aflek lives his live only money minded (for instance) He will live likely among people like Him and will pay the price. He is there for reason it might be discovering how empty that kind of life can be. He goes through that kind of experience because He or His guides have noticed that He had a lack of maturity at this subject.

As His mind is powerful, while at the Spiritual word He would be able to “look over” His difficulties because He would be able to create His self “money minded little world” but while here He must to follow the rules and get in touch with others different from Him and due to such myriad of experiences he has a chance to learn the lesson and to change His mind (energetic).

If he do not, once his physical lifetime finishes His energetic will naturally lead Him to a place with the same energetic as His, so there things change slower once they are all “money minded” there.

Why the games instead of a helper telling them the truth?

If some one do something because He was convinced by some other, as long as time passes He tend to behavior exactly He used to do previously once He get in touch with the same challenges again (superficial change). In other hand if he do something because He has changed through His own experiences and decided to change because he get tired of that all, this time it was a “change within” so it tends to become part of Him. (new program at the system)

Did I make sense? It’s very hard to do it in English to me. (sorry)

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