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Reply #15 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 6:54pm
 
Hi Vicky,
when I compare your perceptions during your OBE I think it's very similar to my mind-journeys, except:
--There is not the same vivid visual appearance as in body, that's why I call mine not OBE,
--Because I would like it more vivid I try to imagine myself to be more bodily and then usually the me-awareness-point is moving out of the (imaginated?) astral body so I always have this guy in front of me who is a sort of my body or puppet. So when I become sick of that and I want to feel free in my mind journeys I just be a point of awareness and like to "see" other beings I meet there as lightballs rather than persons. I found to communicate with beings in human shape can be so distracting of what they want to communicate.
Peace for you and your husband!
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Reply #16 - Oct 21st, 2005 at 9:30pm
 
Spooky you wrote:

when I compare your perceptions during your OBE I think it's very similar to my mind-journeys, except:
--There is not the same vivid visual appearance as in body, that's why I call mine not OBE,
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I have had OBE's where the visual perception was nothing as clear as the mouse OBE.  But I was still out of body and I knew that I was because I felt the separation.  Just because your visual perception is not as vivid as physical sight doesn't mean you are not out of body.  And having better vision doesn't make it more real.  It is just an enhancement of visual information.  I think the "knowing" kind of perception is an even stronger means of perception than vision.
What you call your "mind journeys", do you not consider these out of body experiences? 

I guess I am starting to realize that the term "out of body" really means enhacing your focus of awareness to a point away from your physical body.  Or rather, putting more of a focus of conscious awareness away from your body instead of having full focus of awareness on your body.

I think it is just termed "out of body" because sometimes it actually feels like you are coming out of your shell of a body. 

Sorry to seem so obssessed with this subject, I'm just facinated with comparing how others experience reality.
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Reply #17 - Oct 22nd, 2005 at 6:51am
 
Hi Vicky,
seems I'm obsessed too with this. But, despite that it is just a detail, it is important I think.
  I remember on a previous post (think it was you) one remarks that we do phasing every day, like when we drive a car and thinking of something different so when the driver arrived, nearly no remembrance of the journey is available.
  I'm telling that because the old problem of "is it just imagination or real?" (not to speak about what imagination finally and truely is). If an OBE is very vivid the reality-or-not problem is diminished. They just say "It was real! No question!", while the not visual vivid experiences are more easily stated to be phantasy. The visual is just so dominant compared with "knowing".
  Bruce tells a lot of this problem in his books, and in his reports about participants there is ever again this: "What? That was it? I did it? No, that was just imagination." When we would come to the point, that more experiences formerly labeled as "imaginations" now labeled as "OBEs" then this is a shift in perception. Labels are just labels on the one hand, but on the other hand they sign the meaning people give to their experiences. There are many people who are frustrated in trying so hard to OBE and had no success (they think), but maybe only because it was not similar enough to the physical eyes perception.
  The thing with my journeys is I don't "feel" separated from my physical body, though I'm mentally elsewhere (not entirely, split awareness). So when I did this the first time on the Gateway Voyage, I thought, "Oh, what stories can you make up in such a short time." But when the debriefing was and I told it, more and more details came up and the trainers had to stop me because it was getting too long, and they just looked at each other grinning and one said: "I think you will remember this >story< well and you will never forget it." And I was sitting there and just thought "Well, really, where does this come from?"

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Reply #18 - Oct 22nd, 2005 at 9:46am
 
Hi Vicky,

I had one of those phasing/time/OBE/precognition experiences back in the 1990’s which I mentioned on the Re: Visit from a friend 5/7/05 & Re: How it feels to be in spirit form 7/10/05 so we probably talked about it then.  Anyhow, for me, it was a real thrill, though at that time, who could I tell about it except for my husband?  He listened patiently but was not as impressed as I was.  

I too was napping but then heard my husband come in with his usual, “Hi hon!” and I attempted to get up to greet him but I couldn’t move my body and recognized that I was still sleeping. Now that I think of it, must have happened many times before because I’m starting to recall the sleeping and not being able to move feeling and it’s very familiar.  At any rate, didn’t think much of it till he actually did come home a few minutes later and all sounds were a duplicate of what I had just experienced except now I was awake, could move my body, and excitedly went out to greet him with, “Wow Shocked Grin, I just had one of those weeyoo experiences”.   I recognized it because I had been doing a lot of reading on time, UJ, OBE’s, and precognition and had thought that maybe the combo of my readings, stress, and tiredness had prompted it. Boy, it sure did put a little chink in my beliefs.  Nothing beats actual experience and it sure can be fun.

I also got a kick out of you conclusions regarding your husband, “Then it also makes him mad that he can’t change me” and “He is a good person and I won’t ever try to change him” “But if he forced me to choose between my spiritual path and …”  Sorta’ reminds me of another relationship.  Like maybe the one between the true seekers on this board who share and kick “stuff” around and those like JD.  I guess that’s why, like you suggest, we have to believe in our own path and continue to venture forward into the sometimes unknown to make it a known, at least in our individual hearts.  Tain’t easy sometimes but boards like this helps.

Thanks to Bruce, Lynn, Kardac, etc. for providing a place where we can swap tales and discuss techniques.

Love to all, Jean Kiss
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Reply #19 - Oct 22nd, 2005 at 11:01am
 
For me its called an 'out of body' experience because one we are out of our body and two were use to having a body so we have one out there. Whenever i have explored I have always had a body, i have never been a point of conciousness yet. When I OBE i can feel my body, i know its there, my last OBE i walked and I felt the pavement on my feet, when i fly i feel the wind against my body, I have a body but only because I choose too.

I notice when I phased as well i have a body, but its different, i don't feel it, i climbed up onto the rood out of the water, i climbed up because i had a body, i grabbed hold of the woman in the water because i had a body, yet i don't feel in physically as i do here and have while OOBE, in the general term.

I have also looked at my hands once, lol, i need to do this more, once i saw myself laying on my bed, that was weird! But my last OBE i looked at my hands and they were so full of life, so much energy, the purest colour going, it was amazing.

I do think we have these bodies because this is what we are use to though, we can be points of conciousness as thats what we are really right? But its important to keep these bodies handy out there so we can do retrivals etc.

I have also had a few OBE's now, i have more feeling in them now, also better visual than before, some i have had no sight at all or very little, seeing is believeing to beginners, and especially me at the moment lol! I agree with what you said spooky but also agree with Vicky in the bigger picture in that visual is just one sense, we have many others as we all well know with are just as good as sight if not better, we just need to use these to our best abilities and trust them which is the hardest part.

But i agree when i was trying to OBE at first i got results, but i couldnt see as well as i do here! (It was dark lol so kind of one of the problems) and i knew these were OBE, ive never had a doubt about when I have gone out except for the first time, but many people expect to have the best vision ever otherwise it wasn't OBE, which is just wrong which I have relised now. Like Vicky said going OBE is just shifting your point of conciousness, how greatly you shift doesn't matter, what matters is you have if even slightly. Once we accept this I guess were open to more greater experiences.

Ryan
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