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Oct 11th, 2005 at 12:12pm
 
During my meditation, I've run into a stumbling block. At times, without going through the astral projection effects, I'll experience myself as a body other than the physical body. While in the same state, I'll sometimes see lifesize spirit being/beings walk right up to me (I don't see its/their faces). Sometimes one of them will hold up a plate of food right in front of me. I get the feeling that they do so in order to welcome me.

The problem is that I'm not completely willing to let go of my identification with my physical body, for an extended period of tiem. Therefore, I'll be non-physical for a short bit, and then snap back. I believe that I do this, because I think that self control requires identification with a physical body. HAS ANYBODY OVERCOME SUCH A LIMITATION? I think there's a possibility that once I let go completely, I'll be able to interact with spirits more completely, as opposed to just seeing them on a miniature screen.
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Reply #1 - Oct 11th, 2005 at 1:08pm
 
Hi recoverer,
this snapping back into my physical body in my experiences happens when I feel I go with another body. This happens mostly when I am experimenting at the sleep/dream border. The advantage of this kind of journeying is for me a more vivid, bodily, real feeling. But the payoff is this sudden snapping back, feels like a sort of shock, and often the experience is cut then. I'm a newbie to this method.
With the other method, the TMI/Moen method (so I call it) I am more or less aware of my body and fully awake-minded, there is no sudden snapping back, just gentle phasing of the focus of awareness. In this state I'm just a viewpoint, if I want a body, I need to imaginate one, it's like an agent or image then.
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Reply #2 - Oct 11th, 2005 at 4:52pm
 
Recoverer, do you mean these episodes happen while consciously meditating but are not astral projections?  Is your awareness split, or are you fully focused on the experience while it is happening?
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Reply #3 - Oct 11th, 2005 at 9:51pm
 
I've never met anybody who can actually control the return to the body..or I should say the sensation of coming back into C1 area. I think I did read where Monroe "forced" himself to stay out longer; I think it was Monroe.
once I was expecting to just return from a retrieval, but a guide said I could stay out a little longer. I know there were guides there, but I couldn't see them after the retrieval and I just wandered around in this ethereal place, looked like the house where the retrieval had taken place, then morphed into a future house I would move into. finally, some guides said to come into this other room; and like recoverer, they fed me, but it wasn't exactly food! lol. 

I don't consider your process to be a stumbling block..but I do have one method you might try during your waking state, your daily thoughts...is to imagine what it would be like to be in the spiritual areas as, well, maybe a spirit, or a curl. what do they do all day? seems like silly question, but I used to wonder these things. also to imagine what it's like to not have to breath air, not have to use the bathroom, not have to eat...you know what I'm getting at...to be alive but not have a physical body which requires care and attention for it's survival. that sort of thing is just exercising curiosity...but it tends to take you into a dream landscape where you can get the answers about it. love, alysia
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Reply #4 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 1:27pm
 
I'm not certain how to explain it. I stop experiencing myself as a physical body, and instead experience myself as another body. This other body will be sitting in my chair, just like my physical body sits in it. When I'm in this state, other beings approach me. I haven't been able to communicate with them. Sometimes I'll make a movement with this non-physical body, and my physical body will follow.

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Recoverer, do you mean these episodes happen while consciously meditating but are not astral projections?  Is your awareness split, or are you fully focused on the experience while it is happening?  

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Reply #5 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 2:03pm
 
I've been wondering about something similar. What's it like to be the lead/overall consciousness of a disk? Not that I want to take charge (not that such a thing is possible). I'm just curious about how vast and comprehensive such an awareness is.

[quote author=laffingrain
I don't consider your process to be a stumbling block..but I do have one method you might try during your waking state, your daily thoughts...is to imagine what it would be like to be in the spiritual areas as, well, maybe a spirit, or a curl. what do they do all day? seems like silly question, but I used to wonder these things. also to imagine what it's like to not have to breath air, not have to use the bathroom, not have to eat...you know what I'm getting at...to be alive but not have a physical body which requires care and attention for it's survival. that sort of thing is just exercising curiosity...but it tends to take you into a dream landscape where you can get the answers about it. love, alysia [/quote]
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Reply #6 - Oct 12th, 2005 at 3:38pm
 
Recoverer, that question seems like it could be worded "whats it like to be God?"
but if such a thing were possible we wouldn't be who we are right now, would we?

anyway, your experience seems like you are experiencing being in dual consciousness. two of you, two identities. you should be gradually able to merge into one consciousness with your guides assisting, but it's not a bad thing, I've had it happen to me and I loved it.

remember Monroe's example of going to see God? well, a high and lofty being anyhoo. the being had too much light..he wasn't able to go near or it was like trying to look directly into the sun. finally, the being toned itself down so Bob could discourse with it.
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Reply #7 - Oct 16th, 2005 at 7:02pm
 
This might be a bit out of topic, but i'll make it quick and apologize : God must be like the disk that holds all the other disks. Like the probe we are to our own disk. How does God look / feel like? Has anyone gotten that far?
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