I do not dismiss people communicating with the other side.  I only think it is subjective.  People like Robert Bruce believe that many guides deliberately mislead people and that many of our bad habits and compulsions are from constant psychic assaults from the astral plane.  This goes against the thinking of many on this board.

So then, there are some who feel that everything is planned, everything agreed on and accounted for (even saying that makes me feel better).

Then there are those who have other ideas and just don't know.

Until I get more personal verification, I fall into a middle ground where I believe we have some choice in coming into this life, but that many of the specifics are not known to us before incarnating.  If our souls are truly incapable of being harmed - we would take most plunges willingly.


But as I and many have pointed out, there certainly seem to be some pointless hardships and sufferings that do take place.


Matthew

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The many details aren't chosen. We don't always live according to our life plan. There are always variables. I refused to believe this after my abusive husband died and I found out that we had chosen this for our lives. To me that was unthinkable that I CHOSE to go through 28 years of abuse. Who in their right mind would do that?  Well, evidently I was in my 'whole soul mind' and did choose it. This I know from many conversations with my deceased husband and guides in the past 5 years.

It's very, very hard for one to lose a belief system. At least I feel that I let a little Light in through the cracks, as in one of Leonard Cohen's songs. I can't make anyone change their beliefs. I can just shine some of my Light and know that the 'idea' of this is out there.

With Love, Mairlyn

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What about the 30,000 people who have just died in the earthquake?, they must all have faulty inner voices.

It's true every one has some pain, but karma does'nt dish out equal quantity's to everyone.

It's easy talking about "Love" when your not in pain, but when your experiencing true pain 24 hours a day, everyday you would see how little comfort "Love" is.

I believe pain can be measured to a certain extent, i also believe different people react better/worse to pain then others.

If we were in a car crash, and you lost your left foot, and i lost both, i would consider me to be in more pain.

Why?, becuase you can still walk with support, while as i would be totally dependant on a wheel chair.

To some extent pain is relative. But that kind of pain is usually psychological. Which cant as easily be measured.

The main point being theres many people in the world, who are in far less pain then you or i, and yet theres alot of people are in more pain.

What i was getting at, is that you reach a point where you are in so much pain, love..kindness..appreciation all goes out of the window, and your left with hate/anger which from what i gather from people who live lifes of PUL, aint a good thing.

There was a guy who's skin fell off, he could'nt sit down, go to sleep, change clothes without excruciating agony. His hands and feet had fused together, he could'nt walk, his farther disowned him, his mother hated him, and it's like what can be learned from this?, he would have learned any valuble lessons within 1 day of this kind of pain, yet the poor sod had 36 years off it, till cancer finally killed him.

Spitfire, you still have one of two choices daily:
1) focus on the pain
2) focus on what is something other than pain

or in other words:
ask yourself this: "is my cup half empty, or is it half full?
these the only freedom u have here to decide for yourself what you want to happen, whether u shall be victim, or whether you shall be innovative creator. get over it. find out why the anger is there. you're the only one who can help yourself.

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This is true for some pain, but im talking about the kind of pain that makes you scream out.

Can you even imagine, what it must feel like to live with no skin on your body?, you cant have a moments peace?, you cant use your hands, you cant walk. You can even speak without pain shooting through you.

Now unless you have been through true physical pain, and im not talking a little cold, or the flu. Im talking end stage cancer, your skin falling off, or 90% burns to your body, then it's very easy to say...*you make a choice*..you be a victim or you be a happy chappy etc, but if you have first hand experience of this, none of this PUL, lets be happy about what we have etc, none of that matters.

Anger and revenge is what you live with, and it's considered a crime to shoot the one responsible. So what do you have left?, anger. Everyone on this board seems to have had some psychological pain, but i doubt many or anyone have had true physical pain, otherwise you would understand how hollow your words sound, when your faced with that situation.

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Me no, i have no personal experience of pain to that degree, though i would say i have recieved quite abit more then the average person, and i can directly blame my pain on the utter foolishness of other people, namely doctors using me as a lab rat for there statistics for the past 15 years, though i dont like to go to deep into it for i see only red.