I have read from an author who does fiction novels that he traveled outside his body as did a friend of his to discover the world of characters he felt he had invented were actual people as was the town. so then he had to think was he tapping into this town and people or did he create it? guess we will not know all at once everything we wish we did, but the mind is a powerful creative tool. for sure. love, alysia
oh, and the people had a will of their own, so to make another book?

I have thought for a long time that what we imagine...is real.  It may not seem real to our sight as we experience it now....but it is real.  Perhaps it sounds crazy, but if you write a book, and it is populated by characters, and certain things happen, I have always thought that, somewhere, it is real.  I cannot prove it.  But I think reality is where we find it...

love, blink

I feel that each of us is a universe unto itself but connected to the whole.  It's all within, everything. Everyone thinks that we go out when we go OBE, but we're all going within.  And yes, I feel we are always creating more universes unconsciously.

Love, Mairlyn

I am not so sure about the astral body.  Consciousness is the key.  I think those who travel astrally, insert their consciousness into the astral vehicle.  I do not believe the astral body is any more real than our physical bodies are.  The key to understanding everything is that we have a present conscious awareness that is limiting itself to a body in C1 or the physical plane.  This consciousness is connected to everything and indeed part of the one (or supreme consciousness).

I think that one can focus this consciousness on the astral plane.  That one sees others doing the same, but it is simply a different game - an agreement to play in the astral instead of C1.  If we get hung up on the astral body, or the travel "outside" of ourselves, we are using a very limited way of thinking and indeed we develop attachments to our own bodies and existence.

Because of all this, I agree with Marilyn that the ability does not require true distance or travel but is within our reach if we meditate and connect to the universal consciousness.

Matthew

Hi Seeker-
Since nobody except you has the unique viewpoint and experiences that you have, the question might be equally well turned backwards: Is it possible to NOT create your own universe?

We all share places similar to your personal universe, but ours are different in at least one detail (usually lots more) by which we retain our individuality. But, if you go all the way back to the very first instant of Creation, it's all One.
dave

I think we call it "out of body" experience, because we generally experience anything and everything from the perspective of our physical bodies.  When we move our awareness to another perspective away from the physical body, we have the sensation of having left our body. 

Obviously, I don't believe that I am limited by the realm of my physical body, but I do, however, believe that I am limited by the realm of my own conscious awareness.  Is this what you mean, Mairlyn, by saying that we go within?  That we can only explore within the realm of our own consciousness?  All that we can know and all that we can explore is already inside our own consciousness?  So then, to go outside of the realm of our own consciousness would mean...?

Hello Mairlyn, Alysia and all,

Would you all appreciate, that even right now within the physical, everything that you experiencing in the world around, are all within?

All emotions, thoughts, issues, meanings, experiences, all have as their essence, as within. It is true, of course (and that is one of the important purposes for intraphysical incarnation), that during the intraphysical phase, there is interaction with 'other' beings, souls, relationships to explore, bonds of love to develop.

But all this seemingly 'Without' (ie. 'outside') is in actuality and simultaneously 'Within' as well (ie. 'inside'), as you ultimately realize, that the true nature of these 'other' Beings with yourself, ie. Oneness.

Hence, the difficulty in all of these, lies where one makes an artificial distinction between what is 'outside' and 'inside', and based on the illusionary premise on separation between 'self' and 'others'.

Hence, as the TurnAround of Byron Katie illustrates, and as demonstrated by Hilarion's Laws of Manifestation and Reflection (2 of the 12 Universal Laws), everything that you feel, think, understand, experience and love in the world around you, are in truth issues, intentions, nature, light, love within yourself, and at a higher level (where without & within are One), within (with) the God that is simultaneously both you and the other being, eg. a loved one.

For the heart that has is pure beauty and love, sees and understands everything around, to be (expressions of) pure beauty and love. For instance, the hearts of Hilarion, of Sananda (Christ), of the Serenissimus, and beyond unto infinity.

This is so even if in the intraphysical, where one witnesses atrocities of all kinds, large scale disasters that involve massive pain and suffering, abuses of all kinds and natures, even the existence of 'dark force entities' or 'demonic'.

All of these, are understood by the highest vibrational beings, by all with pure hears, in the most enlightened context and way, one that is completely free of fear (False Evidence Appearing as Real), one that sees only beauty and love (in all of these), and acts on this beauty and love in the most helpful way, expressed as tremendous, boundless compassion and acts of assistantiality, for the evolution of ALL Beings in the Omniverse, not just Humanity.


For 'astral projection' or 'Out-Of-Body-Experiences', the more accurate term, would simply be 'projection of the consciousness'. The term 'astral' refers to a specific band of frequencies or vibrations, and the projections of the consciousness does not necessarily limit itself to the astral only.

The classic 'OBEs' in which leaves the body and visits other locations in the physical, perhaps with physical verifiable details, are really projections into what are called the etheric counterpart of the physical, what are called 'real time zones'.

Robert Bruce, William Buhlman and othes, clearly recgonize and distinguish between the different levels that the consciousness can project to, and the significantly different feel and nature of the projective experience, and even of the projective, energy vehicle that houses the consciousness in these different projections.

Consider the soul retreivals in which an intraphysical consciousness projects itself to a focus level in the extraphysical (note that intraphysical + extraphysical = within/without; the relationship is multi-mutually inclusive), to reach out to assist the extraphysical psychotic post mortem consciousness, together with the direct collaborative assistance of other extraphysical guides & helpers.

Furthermore, while in the intraphyiscal, everything is 'denser' and may require the concerted effort of applying Byron Katie's TurnAround to 'aha!' see the true nature of the experience (ie. the underying meaning for which the 'external' or intraphysical experience is in actuality symbolic for), in the extraphysical, in projections of the consciousness, or 'astral projections', or 'OBEs', or 'dreams', the symbolism is that much closer or merged with, the appearance of the 'physical' or 'external' structures of the projective experience, or dream, and hence, they say such experiences are 'within', or 'symbolic'.

But not all realize, that all experiences in the intraphysical, are also equally 'within', or 'symbolic'. And additionally, during projections of the consciousness, which brings one's psyche closer to (ie. thins the veil of) the 'within' or 'symbolic', but simultaneously, contact is indeed made with other beings, energies, consciousness, guides & helpers.

Indeed, the guides & helpers utilize this all the time, both in the intraphysical 'waking' state, as well as in your dreams, OBEs, astral projections, and projections of your consciousness in all forms, to guide and assist you, and be with you in their love.

Are all of these 'without' or 'within'? As explained earlier, everything that one experiences (eg. the meanings behind the experiences, all emotional responses, all intentions manifested, etc) is within. But other beings, serve as beautiful Reflections for this, the so-called 'external' serve as important reference contexts and Reflections for this, for your own Clarification, Evolution and (relationships of) Love.

So are all of these experiences and relationships 'within' or 'without'? The answer of course, can only be truly understood when one drops the illusion (are you willing yet?) of the illusionary separation between 'others' and 'self', between 'within' and 'without'.

Hilarion said, "All relationships are really practice, for your relationship with God."

We will briefly clarify this further. All relationships currently between individuals and their personalities (eg. yourself with your friend, child, spouse, loved one, etc), are all already relationships with God, of course, but at a 'practice' level, so to speak.

Because the true nature of your friend, child, spouse, loved one, his/her/their *highest self* or *true Being*, is that of God (which is You/Them, of course).

But in the meantime (ie. at the 'lower' or 'intraphysical' or 'manifested' level of this mult-faceted and multi-dimensional reality), all relationships are really only practice, and only show/teach you about what is within yourself, as demonstrated by Byron Katie's TurnAround.

Does that mean the love you feel for another in a relationship is unreal? To the contrary! The love that you feel, is the ONLY thing that's real! The Love that recognizes and says, the other Being is God, the other Being is One with you, the other being is unconditionally accepted, cherished, honored and loved.

So all relationships, are really practice relationships within yourself, with yourself, with the God within you that is simultaneously and truly also the God that is the other person, being, and loved one.


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So the real question is, are experiences, regardless of intraphysical ones or projections of the consiousness, Within or Without?

The answer to this question, lies twofold :

1) To the individual, the context reference is 'external', but always serves as a symbolic representation for that (issues, intentions, energies, nature, relationships, love) which is within.

2) God is the Essence, Totality and Simultaneity of All Beings, All the Cosmos. To God (the True You, the True all-other-beings), there is no meanig to Without, or Within, or External, or Internal. There is only Oneness, that which is known as Love.