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Pondering spirituality/conspiracy theories (Read 22636 times)
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Re: Pondering spirituality/conspiracy theories
Reply #45 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 9:47pm
 
Madsketcher,

Please stop mentioning your drug use on the internet. Romanticizing your marijuana use doesn't help your case one bit. I really think it's time you get real with yourself. You know why people crappity smack with your head? You're an easy target.
There are people on your side. There are ways out. Get some inspiration and amend your situation.
Learn to say crappity smack it. Feel flattered that people would waste the time to try an get inside your head. Coughing, sniffing, snapping, repeating lyrics...who cares...Stop thinking about yourself all the time and try and help those that are less fortunate than you. Take the money you spend on dope and give it to a needy cause. It's not going to stop until you wise up. So figure it out. This is your fork in the road.

P.S. I've said it once and I'll say it again, watch what you say.

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Reply #46 - Nov 7th, 2005 at 6:38am
 
Madsketcher,

I meant to tell you how much I value you input. You give me a glimpse into the thought processes of anyother individuals mind and you do it so well.

Thanks for your detailed documentation of what you are experiencing.  Reminds me how varied we are on this space ship called Earth.  You teach me much.

Love, Jean Kiss
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Reply #47 - Nov 10th, 2005 at 8:15pm
 
madsketcher,

My friend, the last time I bought a yellow sports car I thought I would be the only one in my town to have this model (and bad taste), gheesssh can you believe about 20 or thirty people went out the next day and bought the very same model and colour, and over the next month another 30, in fact I bet you tomorrow you see more yellow cars than you have before (seriously and they are not part of what might be). However you need to break your pattern, your looking for it (if true or not it is actually totally irrelevant) thats not what this is about, lifes throwing you a strong learning curve to see how teach you what you need to learn, to be the improved you, as what we focus on, in reality or anything, is what we see, what I mean by this is, close your yourself in for a minute, breath, "know whats going on it's physically happening, and yes it is, however its to do with your interpritation, of what it means, there coughing, yeah, and the rest of it is too, however whats the intent of these actions, and whats going to happen, you havent mentioned it and it is 3am here I have read all the thread, all your quotes etc, however you never mention whats going to happen, what are they going to do next, or is this it, and your worried about it, as us just confirming it what does that mean, I feel  fear is the unknown, and to beat this, what ever you think will happen, may happen, and it could, but regardless, to crush the fear in yourself, and move on to your next learning curve, as this is obviously the issue, I think, simply put yourself in that position, and choose the solution, I mean this, if you get a guy scared of confined spaces, ask him why ?, "why you scared mate" he usually answers well, I''m trapped, and will be trapped forever not the fact its dark and painless physically, just mentally, therefore controlled by the mind, as it could be totally light up, and to most quite roomy, the fear is the unkown in the mind  (more time off the drugs gives greater control, as thats whats needed, and not just a month or two a few years, unless your different and have more abilty than most with your mind then its as long as it is), in his case, just a case of believing, okay yeah you get trapped, and believing after a certain period, you'll die and therefore ,ove on and your confined space that you had been trapped in will no longer be able to retain you, eg you will become unstuck. and if he believes strongly enough, the fear is released.

So okay, your caught in somthing, you dont know who to trust, you want people to believe, what is it you need from us, and ask yourself if they confirm it, and I mean we prove your right , or you find someone to trust WHAT CHANGES ?? seriously what changes. so Im asking you what are they going to finish with, whats their plan for you, its not just ot anoy you, and we need to know their INTENT ? back to you ----
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Reply #48 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 9:24pm
 
Hi Bebop-Welcome,

It’s funny what you said about the yellow sports car(s).  It reminds me of when my husband and I first moved to Florida.  At 57 years old, it was also the first time that he had ever lived away from his home state.   He became very focused on pointing out every car that had a Jersey plate on it and comment that now that we had moved there, the rest of Jersey came too.  I laughed because I didn’t think it was due to the fact that there were so many but that, 1) Jersey at that time was one of the few states that had to have a license plate on the front and back of their vehicles, 2) He could recognize the plate from a distance because of living there so long, and 3) that he may have been intending to get confirmation that there were many familiar folks around so the place did not seem so alien.  He may have been right about great quantities of Jersyites coming to Florida or not, it is beside the point, his intent was a harmless enough exercise and it did help him to feel supported in his decision to move. 

I’m in the process now of focusing on  “A Unicorn Named Georgia”.  It started when I received a 20% off coupon from the Monroe Institute in early October and decided to purchase AUNG poster and matching CD for my granddaughter and daughter-in-law’s birthdays (one day apart). My intent was to send a joint gift to facilitate in helping to repair a poor relationship I have with my daughter-in-law, link the three of us together, plus pass on a hemi-sync sleep CD for the whole family’s benefit.  In return, I received a wonderful drawing done by both of them with a picture of Georgia in the center with the letters dna under the Unicorn (refer to DNA thread).  Then I sent a thank you back and felt all of our intents had paid off by producing a little more healing/love in this difficult  relationship. I thought that was the end of Georgia the Unicorn and sort of missed warmth of the exchanges.  But then, last week, I received a post card including a discount in the mail from the MI announcing that they will have a booth this weekend at the Convention Center, a short distance from me.  But on the other side of the postcard was, Yup, you guessed it, a reproduction of the poster I sent my granddaughter, Georgia the Unicorn.  So the game is still afoot by my choosing to focus on signs which all stemmed from my intention to strengthen the love bond between we 3-generation group of women.  Now I realize that I could choose to seek thoughts that dwelled on my perceived feelings that she dislikes me and feeling trapped in a bad relationship and that there was nothing that I could do about it.  And then glean out of communications with my son anything that would feed the distance and negative aspects of our relationship, because I’m sure some could be found or distorted to fit.  I used to do this when I was younger.    

But, as you well know Bebop, that ain’t the way to go because we’ve learned from hard experience that the payoff is lousy or limited at best.  By focusing on the possible or real negativity of those around us, we don’t get the good feelings that result when choosing to focus on our own or others loving intent.  It doesn’t even give the support that my husband’s license exercise gave him.  But mostly, it isn’t as fun. But you’re right in suggesting to madsketcher to follow through with his focus because that’s where he at right now.  But if he chooses, as you suggest, to move past this mind set, first he might start by accepting that what he is experiencing is real and recognize the patterns. Next he can move on to questioning the intent of those he suspects of doing the actions, play with that a little including asking them what their intentions are, then follow it up with asking himself what’s going to happen and finally what am I really afraid of.  If he has the motivation and/or courage to do this, he may wind up getting a good belly laugh out of it or at least finding himself a little further out of the maze.  Because he is the Master of his mind, as we all are, and can choose to look at the so-called worse of intentions and fears and even stay within the confines of feeling, seeing, and hearing all those yucky feeling, knowing nods, and negative confirming coughs till we follow it through to the other side, we can change our mind through re-focusing our thoughts because we can choose the contents of our minds and have the power to block what we do not consider worth focusing on or listening to.  But not everyone holds that belief.  You’re right, it’s a learning curve and we all need to do it at our own speed.

But then again, as I sit here with my husband, he is trying to remember what the thing on the desktop is called.  He starts by telling me it’s a speaker thing and then wants me to turn it on.  I suspect he is talking about the TV to the right and down closer to the floor but he is pointing to a small alarm clock above my head.  He can correctly name all the other items on the shelf except for this one.  Then he starts to come back again and finally remembers it’s a clock and that he means the TV to the right.  All is settled again but he starts to forget that the clock is a clock and struggles to remember what it is called again.  I ask him what it does, and he states, tick tock, tick tock then he comes back to remembering its correct name, a clock.  It’s as if the wires in his brain are crossing as a result of having a urinary tract infection.  This entire transaction lasts about 10 minutes.  So much for being the master of our minds when we are ill. 

But from a larger perspective, he is still loving and has loving intentions but is now working with physical chemical challenges that mess with the connections to language.  If he had not spent most of his life attempting to make things better for those around him and to share his love, I doubt that he could hold this loving focus from within his being.  It’s who he is and I love him for this.  He questions how I can love him now that he is making more work for me and that he is limited in the things that he can do to help.  I explain that the reason I love him is not because of the things he does but who he is at his core, which he has lovingly shared with me throughout the past 21 years.  I’ve learned this about love, from him. 

Happy Veterans Day to all you war vets including my sweet Korean War vet husband, Mac.

Love, Jean Kiss    

   
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Reply #49 - Nov 12th, 2005 at 9:32pm
 
Jean and Bebop:

I'm not quite sure what it all means but have a few ideas...

I think it was first a tactic to fool me into thinking I'm schizophrenic and/or kill myself.  The jist of all of this harrassment is that I'm a waste and shouldn't be allowed to live in such a society.  It's been said in many different ways around me, several times.   

I think things shifted when they realized I wasn't completely worthless.  My creative side came back once I was living in the spook house, and I even found a mentor for a brief period of time.  So now, the more optimistic side of me thinks that in some strange way whatever forces behind my harassment are possibly trying to scare me into being a more productive member of society - by using the talent that I have. 

I've also been reading more threads here lately, and I've questioned whether or not I'm in a hell.  I didn't mention that I recently found out two friends of mine are not only involved in whatever secret society hooplah is going on, but they were never my friends to begin with - they kept me close as some kind of project.  At one of their surprise birthday parties a couple of months ago, a few hours after present-giving, cooking and drinks were to be had, one of these "friends" randomly brought up cellular biology right in front of me.  She thought it was hilarious how some people's cells died (i.e. having a neurological disease).  This was, for some reason, really funny to everyone at the table.  Laughter followed and I suddenly thought to myself "Who the hell are these people?  What's going on?"

Some of the guests turned subtly colder, and made with their throat-clearing nonsense.  Later on I became a bit sick.  While I was in the bathroom, these people were laughing and laughing out on the back porch... After leaving the bathroom I could hear the conversations more clearly.  It became clear that I was nothing more than a joke to these people. A fun game.  I later heard my other "friend" (the birthday guest) joking about me and saying some really harsh things.  I really did appreciate this person as a friend - I even painted a picture for her birthday.  I liked to make them happy - and it just feels so utterly heartless that they would do something like that to me.

I pretended to lose my memory from the alcohol and slept over there, but I remember what was said about me.  The next day both friends called me, concerned to see if I made it home.  CREEPY!  I've talked to one of them a couple of times since then.   

I have been friends with these two women for three years.  We've hung out many times, I've helped them move, and they've helped me move.  I can't understand why they'd keep me so close when they despise me.  One of them even invited me out to a concert recently... as if nothing happened.  I declined, naturally, as I was trying to make sense of all this.  As of now, a part of me wants to go over there and see them again... to be a loving person.  But if I'm not interesting enough for them, being a loving person simply isn't enough.  Should I try and be a friend to these people, while knowing their true feelings?  What I want to do the most is go over there, take the gift that I spent three hours on away and leave their house, never looking back or speaking to them again.  But that's the vengeful, spiteful part of me. 

This certainly feels like a Hell because there are countless people who are in on it.  I've wondered if there was some sort of mass mind control or hypnosis involved.  It's technically possible.  Who knows. 

I just want to say that these threads are very inspiring.
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Reply #50 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 12:34pm
 
Madsketcher,

It’s true that many people around us can be very cruel and it’s sad thing that anyone who is a little different than the majority are sometimes judged as defective and in need of special attention.  But it’s also true that you are a valuable individual, no matter what negatives you are hearing from others in your mind.  Some sensitive souls, like yourself, have trouble blocking or discounting other people’s opinion of them, verbal and nonverbal, and instead take everything, especially the negatives, to heart.  Many of us feel bad about ourselves and have trouble remembering that what is most important is to move from being concerned about what others think of us onto considering how we can comfort, merely by a smile or kind word, those who are in the gripes of self doubt or what they consider hell.  

I was glad that you reported that a shift occurred in realizing that you are a worthy individual, because you are.  I’m very impressed by you ability to write your inner experiences on this board as well as being able to create works of art.  Some not only can’t write about things that are going on within but also don’t have the ability to seek and find an audience in a safe place, as you have.  Your pretty cleaver and I mean that with all due respect.  You’re on the right tract by coming to this board and realizing that you're worthy and creative!!!  And yes, sometimes we are motivated by a negative experice. But hang in there and try to reach out to your friends in spite of what you sense to be a non-loving intent because as you work on your project to become more loving, I don’t mean by giving them things, but by realizing that they too have self doubts, you may find that your starting a positive conspiracy.  You’ll feel it in your gut as strongly as you do the negative conspiracy but it will feel good instead of hellish.

Love, Jean  Kiss            
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Reply #51 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 1:28pm
 
Madsketcher,

Nice to see your still reading this thread,  and I trust you’ve had a fairly relaxed day. I have read your reply and also jkeyes great words and understanding.

Your more lucky than me, and it seems get to go to quite a few parties etc, when your at a meal look around you and see how people mirror those with them, I use this to tell if it’s a couple or just friends very useful if your single, as couples if close will tend to copy the other one, look at their legs are they crossed, do they have their elbows on the table, they usually drink their drink at the same time too, its cool when you look for it, I also do it in cafes, and it also means when you introduce yourself, or join them, mirror them, they’ll accept you more on a subconscious level. Neat little trick.

as for being interesting, I believe your someone that listens to others and have been told before you’re a good listener, so again, to be interesting, be interested, as humans we love to talk about ourselves, and with an audience all the better, to be interesting be interested.

I’ve mentioned before of similarity and I’ve had a period of time not too great, and relate to your filters of the world around you at the moment, one day I  made a decision to be able to get 100% proof that people where doing the things they were doing, by learning how to read body language, eye accessing, this helps me to spot lies, (really cool to know)
http://www.manifestation.com/neurotoys/calibrate.php3
this link is just a tip of the ice berg, and then you can turn round and confront people and ask the right questions, like about the coughing, its really cool to know, in fact it was the start of a little journey of mine that lead me here in a way !! when I think about it, you are actually either very smart, or lucky, I think both to be honest !
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