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Reply #30 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 6:35pm
 
Blink,

Right On!!! You do GOOD work.

Keep on Truckin'

Love, Jean LOL Kiss
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Reply #31 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 6:40pm
 
Kardac,

Don't worry about the language thing the Heart/Essence thing is always there with your communication.

Love, Jean Kiss

p.s. My pc has granted permission for me to offer more than 2-3 posts. Hoorhay!!! Grin
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Reply #32 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 10:01am
 
Let’s get back to the topic. Is what Madsketcher experiencing real?
His story does match up to others. These people are also around his age. I know what your experiencing is real. I know about the other strange things that you see and experience. I'm sure you question who you are everyday. Why you? Why would they spend so much time and "money" on you? You have something they want. "They" aren't "normal" humans and either are you. You've always known you were different, now you’re starting to see? It's been a vicious circle of power and control. This war sucks. Hang in there.   Wink


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Reply #33 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 10:51am
 
Thanks Neo. or are you morpheus?
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Reply #34 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 12:55pm
 
I suppose it all depends on how you define reality.  But I don't think encouraging paranoia makes sense unless you are there, on the ground with Madsketcher.

Our realities are subjective.  The vast majority of us may see reality as one way, and only a few another.  However, as a society there are certain common beliefs and laws that we all agree to and share.

For those of you encouraging Madsketcher to figure out the conspiracy of coughing and radio waves beamed to his home as a form of attack - I do not doubt that could be one man's reality.  But think about what you are saying when you encourage him to keep pursuing that conspiracy.  If you believe in the conspiracy - maybe you could help him, and independently verify that it does exist. 

If not, I am not sure that you will help him find PUL - which many on this board see as our ultimate purpose on this planet and in this shared reality.

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Reply #35 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 1:25pm
 
I'm not trying to make life imitate art here. And what he's going through isn’t the matrix conspiracy, although there are similarities. Joey aka Madsketcher, do you ever have time lapses? Do you see a lot of white Pac bell vans or cable trucks around your house? Random people standing on corners staring at you? Or younger people usually with a pen and a journal watching you? Can you all of a sudden see a complete change in the media, like all of a sudden something else is in complete control of everything. Sometimes breaking news that happened 2 months ago will all of a sudden appear as breaking news that day on a major cable news network. Or there will be some really messed up commercials, like the one you saw, that you know doesn't belong. Do you work off of a lap top? Does it have infrared? Do you see a lot of the same symbols, like maybe a triangle, frog, or lighthouse? Do you sense people around that you can't see? Do you notice a lot of Japanese or German products or technology around you. Do you sense great evil, maybe Nazi’s? Is the sound like a deep rumbleing, almost like an engine running or a Train approaching. Have you been on a train lately? These are just of the few things my research as pulled up with this group of people.  What movie could that be from Kardec?
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Reply #36 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 2:13pm
 
Oy vey.  Lord have mercy on us.  Alysia, where are you when we need you?  Dave, the voice of reason?  There is a difference about being open minded and believing these last few posts.

Jung spoke of a "synchronicity" - the coming together of seemingly impossible coincidences of universal and personal forces at certain times.  We all have experienced this.  And we have all had episodes of impossible coincidences and dejavu.  However, the power of our imaginations is such, that they may take a running dive off the deep end, and pursue a tangent too far off from reason.  I am not into the labels Jean, but I also do not believe in encouraging conspiracy theories. 

Tell me, where does enlightenment or pure unconditional love come into one's life, if all one is doing is looking for hidden devices, and collusions?  We have a very liberal minded board - I usually am myself.  The "I'm ok, you're ok" attitude is usually a good one.  I don't think that those of you encouraging the conspiracy/paranoia are necessarily helping the situation.  How would I help?  I would advise the person to live life day to day - concentrate on the positive, try to go by purely objective evidence, and seek the help of others including trained medical proffessionals.  I also would avoid using hallucinogens and drugs at all costs.

The best to you Madsketcher,

Matthew
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Reply #37 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 8:34pm
 
Here is something a writer from Orange County, CA wrote. I think it might help with the topic. It's called Angels In The Snow

Angels In The Snow
We are born innocent and free.
Our skin is clean,free from scars, untouched by evil and shielded by a halo of good. Fighting the currents of life we struggle to swim the deep and tranquil sea.
We rjoice in what was once loved and suffocate in what is now lost.
We believe in what we can see, percieve what is unknown, and fear the difference.
The rythm of life permeates ignorance; Sung soley by a chorus of black robes.
Our destination is consternation.
We tip toe to an infinite edge with no view, no horizon, and no promise.
Struggling for truth we incessantly seek this fictional providence.
Our utopia has been coined and contracted by the same amoral evils that strangle us all.
We are medicated by a perscribed euphoria.
We blissfully ignore the the writing behind the lines.
With every escape we fall deeper into the complex web of dictation.
We are victim to what we obtained to cheaply and esteemed to lightly.
Our glass hearts, once unbreakable are now mere sacrafices.
Were all searching for that one jagged piece of the puzzle
We search endlessly for an end to this paranoid delusion ironically called life.
Search hard we do, but find we shall not.
Every waking moment is another step closer to freedom.
The black hole of uncertain freedom we shall see in death.
One day I will soar the greatest of hieghts
One day, One way
No longer alone
I am home.
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Reply #38 - Oct 18th, 2005 at 9:59pm
 
I've been reading this thread Doc, but I feel bad because Madsketcher is no longer with us and I think it was something I said about his name. I just hope he read my apology but I doubt it.
still, look at what he created here, we all just ganged up on him it seems.
we are all acting like he's still here, as if he's reading our comments..but I doubt it.
look at us...from his point of view, I'm thinking he's thinking we are like flies on poo poo, just more of the conspiracy plot that he believed in so strongly.

I don't know...some PUL is here for sure, some good words, some good thoughts, some not, but as for me, I've gotta watch my big mouth..

so if you be a lurkin madsketcher, look what you did here to bring us all together for better or worse to expose the human need within to lift another human being from the abyss of their own mind fabrications of which we all have plenty.
in the end it just boils down to we always need each other and need to be listened to so bad for what is going on underneath the delusions...
he sketched his name here but now we'll never know if he's ok...I will see his perfection then, one way or another as in the end I'm sure we'll all be just fine..we're only dreaming...and sometimes we have nightmares..thank god the sun always rises..does it not?
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Reply #39 - Oct 19th, 2005 at 5:09am
 
Alysia,

Very well and poetically put.  The sun will rise.  Madsketcher, pay heed.  You need to be an optimist by nature.  I have been.  And it drives some of my friends crazy.  How can you be so sure that things will be ok? (they ask)  I just am.  No other answer can be found. 

You have to make optimism part of your nature.  Since our minds do, to a large extent create our present and future realities, we must cultivate the positive.  This unshakeable optimism will prevail over any mind-created falsehoods, no matter how they appear.  This is how love truly enters the picture, I believe.

And for the record, people although many things are relative, in the lives we live, I don't believe that truth, ultimately is.

Alysia, I re-read your posts, there was nothing offensive there, only concern.  Madsketcher, if you read this, please respond so we all know you are ok.

Matthew
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Reply #40 - Oct 19th, 2005 at 9:37am
 
Good points Alysia and Matthew. There really is no point in trying to figure out a conspiracy. Whatever will be, will be. Good always wins anyway, so there is nothing to worrry about. I prayed for you madsketcher. I hope your ok.
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Reply #41 - Oct 19th, 2005 at 10:03am
 
wayoutwhere

That was a good post. now I agree with you Wink
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Reply #42 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 3:01pm
 
Hey everybody,

Thanks for the support/ideas/comments.  I don't think anyone here is really encouraging me to "pursue" whatever is going on.  It is what it is, and while I DO once in a while jump onto a search engine to look at random conspiracy websites after getting aggravated by something unusual that happens to me, I tend to branch off and stop caring again. 

I never cared about things like conspiracy theories until all this strange activity started.  I STILL don't care all that much!  I don't really waste too much time reading up on this stuff.  I don't have a lot of patience for the abundance of information that is constantly shifting and told from several different perspectives (though many are similar to mine) and I have never been a very political person.  I've also got a bad case of adhd/laziness. 

Quite simply, I noticed an overwhelming amount of things that didn't make sense to what I was used to in a VERY SHORT period of time.  I'm not going to call it a conspiracy, but I believe in my heart that it is real and that something is happening that a lot of people do not realize.

Some things I never added to my already bizarre story: When I was working at my university position and began to notice all the grad students/faculty coughing and clearing their throats violently around me, that wasn't the extent.  They took things out of my vernacular and fired them at me at every chance they could.  Everyone was suddenly replying to anything I said with "Cool!" and "Fun stuff!" and man... it was very odd.  When I snapped my fingers in the xerox room (by myself), a faculty member would come down and do the exact same thing.  Some graduate students would repeat things I said in the day (while talking to someone else) several hours earlier.  After humming a specific tune to myself ( something MADE UP ), I'd hear a graduate student humming it with a sick grin on her face.  And the nose rubbing!  They all had to rub/scratch at their nose like coke-addicts while talking to me.  What's funny is I could predict when this would happen a lot of the time, and even make my own little "drum roll" motion with my hands as someone walked out of the main office and cleared their throat exaggeratedly.  This was all very real (SEVERAL coincidences a day or not), and I still haven't told you everything.  I experienced these same strange "tactics" or "coincidences" while going to the local gay pride social.  I recognized one of the women there - from the building where I worked at the university.  She now works in IT on campus.  She is a great mind, but was a complete bully.  As we talked, the only thing she replied to me with was "That's cool" in a strange condescending tone - like I was 7 years old - with a great big smug look on her face.  It seemed like she somehow knew something about me, and that she was testing me.  Her girlfriend let out the famous fake cough that I've been rambling about.  God, I'm not even trying to sound nuts - these are just things that I have been experiencing. 

I just want people to believe me, but I know it's insane.  All I can say is that if you really knew me, you'd believe me.

I have some kind of a neurological problem that makes my walking look a little bit funny - to the untrained eye it's easy to not notice in certain situations.  So here I am, working in a department not only full of trained, educated eyes, but also scholars on such subjects as social psychology, stigma, and social change - mobilization.  Social wars.  Look... I'm just pointing these things out!  After the onslaught I'm convinced that there's something sinister behind it.  It may also explain why everyone there was suddenly testing my memory at the time.  After being laid-off, I was not only relieved because I wouldn't have to work in such stressfull conditions, but also because I hated my job. 

I've been at home since then, and have recently been working on my art (shameless self plug: www.madsketcher.deviantart.com)... I still feel/hear strange sonic activity, but it's not really bothering me that much.  I have been taking kava kava for about a week now and it really helps. 

Also, I have been smoking pot for the last week - but it is not making anything worse.  Things are still the same here at the house (not really a big deal).  I can put up with whatever is thrown at me lately.  Fortunately, it's nothing as bad as what was going on at my last residence, when I lived with four sketchy technology obsessed hermits.  I know you're going to scold me for the marijuana use, but honestly: It's the least of my problems.  Say what you will, but it's true.  I've actually been more active/motivated with it.

This random guy lives with us now (mom's new beau) - at first I didn't know what to think of him, but on the very night he officially moved in (no furniture or anything), I was bringing up secret societies to my mother as he sat in the living room with his newspaper.  As I started to go in detail, he shut me up with a loud exaggerated cough.  Ever since then he's been getting weirder and acting stranger - testing my memory: We were talking about Bob Ross and I mention that he died... and the very next evening, after he sees me watching a television show that references Bob Ross, he asks me "Didn't he die?"  But he's a pro at Jeopardy. 

Something about him just bothers me.  He acts like a lot of the main people I've been around since all this weirdness started - troubled, quiet, depressed in some way, damned near emotionless.  Hiding something.  Mom will never know him because she's not that deep of a person... so he could be anyone, really.  I'm not afraid of him or anything, but he gives off that same weird vibe that a lot of these people have been giving off.  He's also kind of like a broken record.  *Shrug* Oh well.  I'm confident in questioning what's going on around me, and not my sanity.  It's weird, but it is what it is and I have to accept it.  My mouse cursor hasn't been flinging itself across the screen lately - things feel a bit calmer than before.   

Blah, these posts never come out quite the way I want them to.   Just want to make it clear that a) I don't think everyone is in on some wacky madcap conspiracy against me because that's silly, b) I am totally NOT a danger to myself or anyone else around me (never have been), c) I've always been an optimist, all my life... and lately it's coming back stronger than before.

Thanks again for all the words - I didn't disappear... I have to take breaks from this site!
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Reply #43 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 7:32pm
 
Welcome back MS,

Funny, my paranoid patient who I hadn't seen in two years just showed up two days ago.  Said she is on a reality TV show 24/7, but no one  told her about it. 

I tried to be understanding, but she spouted on about conspiracies.  Joan Crawford was her mother (do I see the remblence?)  Tom Cruise is her son, but does not write or call!


I tried to focus reason into the conversation and direct PUL, and when I did that she got more and more agitated (strangely enough!).  When we finished, she started rambling in the waiting room, and one of the larger doctors had to physically guide her out because she was almost attacking people.  She refuses to take antipsychotic medication.

There was nothing else I could do short of calling the police. 

I found it weird that she became more agitated and psychotic when I tried to direct PUL toward her and was calm.

Any thoughts?

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Reply #44 - Nov 4th, 2005 at 7:48pm
 
My thoughts on why she would reject your PUL?  First, tell me what that means. Smiley  I am guessing one of those words is "love" but I have no idea what the full acronym stands for.  Project Unconditional Love???

My thoughts on the woman's condition?  She definitely sounds like she's suffering from a mental illness... sounds nothing at all like what I experience.  I would never get to that point with what is going on (going wild and limb-flailing) - I mean, I know what people are willing to accept despite my attempts to explain what I have been witnessing and hearing since February.  Honestly, I don't really talk about it to anyone lately - save you guys on the forums.   
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