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Reply #15 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 3:14pm
 
I just want to make it clear that I am NOT a depressed person - I am usually happy and silly.  Almost always the optimist.

When I first became genuinely depressed (i.e. suicide thread), it is because something new and dreadful finally entered my life.  Later on, in the midst of all this ridiculous activity which I was seeing/hearing/interacting with every day, I found solace in my creative abilities and, after some mentoring from an artist/teacher and other support in that sense, I felt much better about myself, and still do.  It is the constant discouragement that is a problem.

To Kardec:  I do ignore it - but it's still there.  I don't let it eat me up - I don't have any panic attacks in public.  I do accept it, but at the same time, I don't leave my house much lately.  Having a slight movement disorder makes it hard enough to be in public, but eruptions of rhythmic/orchestral tactics to irritate me when I'm out there don't help.  I've been called a waste before by some of them - of course it could have been my imagination!  It's just not as easy to "ignore" as some people may say.  Fortunately, I enjoy solitude. 

I can list the U.S. patent numbers on real sound projection devices.  The first successful remote transfer of sound through someone's skull with such a device occurred in 1974 at the Walter Reed Army Institute of Research by a Dr. Joseph C. Sharp.  A lot of time has passed since then!  I'm just sayin'...

I haven't had an onslaught of sound in a very long time, and hopefully I never will again - during that period it seemed to be most likely a attempt to drive me crazy... I know better than that, though!  I am trying an anti-psychotic medication this weekend, only to humor my psychiatrist... it won't kill me.  None of this has... and they say that which doesn't kill you... you know the rest.  This is getting too soap opery - I think I'll can the paranoid confessions thing for a while.

Thanks for all of the comments, and I appreciate the feedback/support.
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Reply #16 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 3:17pm
 
Rob_Roy, I would have no idea how to "ask" for help - does this mean praying?  Thinking?  Thanks for the advice.
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Reply #17 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 4:16pm
 
"imaginating" would be the right word I would say.
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Reply #18 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 6:14pm
 
sorry, I didn't know u were an artist. I apologize about your name now I understand. actually, it's a great name for an artist! please forgive. I also believe the voices are real. I just think the human body is not able to handle what we ask it to handle and the problem shows up in a nervous or cellular way. I used to take drugs and I noticed I did get angry and paranoid and when I stopped, so did these feelings stop. I know you think you can handle drugs and so theres no problem, but answer me why some gifted and famous people die so young from overdose? I know you are gifted artistically now and we need people like you around and I wouldn't want to think you are always looking over your shoulder when life could be giving you a big hug someday instead! asking for a guide would be like, well, just getting quiet and asking "is there someone who actually watches my life and cares? call them angels if you want. If you can hear voices you don't want to hear, you can also hear the voice of your own guide within. everybody has one..or two or more. I wish you well and hope you forgive what I said about your name...love, alysia
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Reply #19 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 7:31pm
 
madsketcher,

I know a lot of people don't like the "P" word because of its association with a lot of belief systems, but PRAYER is how you do it. Guides and helpers will hear your prayer, starting with your own. It must be sincere, though. Don't play around.

If you are not intuitive (Psychic, another "P" word) or lack the ability to change the focus of your consciousness to actually meet your guide(s), then find someone who can, making sure you test him or her. Then you can communicate with them and verify your prayer has been answered and how. Worked for me. Be prepared to hear what you don't want to hear, as well as the good stuff. Guides don't mess around. And they don't argue. That's my experience.

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How many psychologists does it take to change a light bulb? Just one, but the light bulb has to want to change.  Smiley  Hint, hint.
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Reply #20 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 5:41am
 
"..Guides and helpers will hear your prayer, starting with your own. It must be sincere, though. Don't play around..."
"..asking for a guide would be like, well, just getting quiet and asking "is there someone who actually watches my life and cares? call them angels if you want..."
"...If you can hear voices you don't want to hear, you can also hear the voice of your own guide within. everybody has one..or two or more..."
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just above are some very GOOD tips. I can say that because I 've tryed it along my life and it works even if you can't listem to your guides voice as clear as you can listen to the "bad" voices.

Why it can be harder to listen to the enlightened ones?  because their vibrational level is Higer than ours and lift up usually is harder that to go down so wen we are worried, angry or nervous we tend to have difficulties to listren to the "good"ones and very often we getr in touch with the ones who are unbalanced like us.
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Reply #21 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 7:21am
 
Kardec
I thought your comments were interesting. The part about not being able to "hear" something from a higher level because of the difference in vibrational level makes sense...too much noise to get a good signal.

I don't feel like I have a guide, but years ago when I was reading Seth, the question was asked "where do ideas come from?" and "can you see where they come from?", a question I have never successfully answered. I did notice that when I was thinking things over, many things, that it seemed like there was a conversation I was either imagining I was part of or listening to. And I have never answered the question as to who the other participants may be. I guess we usually assume we are just talking to ourselves. But sometimes I wonder if this is the case, especially when an especially brilliant idea pops into my head from out of the blue. Where does that come from!

Madsketcher, I think you are looking for solace and I keep going off in another direction or two in my own mind.  I don't know the best path for you but I trust that you can find your own way if you continue to work at finding your own answers.

I don't see paranoia as a cut-and-dried pathological state. I'm not sure what is going on. Surely, something has been grossly exagerated for some people, and that makes it difficult for them to function in this culture. But what if, underneath the exageration, there is a shred of truth in what they say or feel?

John Mack built a body of evidence to show that people who thought the had been abducted by aliens were not crazy. He found consistency in what had previously been considered just, well, madness. I'm not sayin ghe proved aliens are physical beings, but he did demonstrate that the people he worked with who made this nutty claim that they had benn abducted had undergone at least a psychical experience if not a physical experience. Could there be a correlating experience for paranoia?

I have days when I go out and it seems like everyone is rude to me! I do notice if I wear my "ugly" glasses instead of my "chic" ones that this is more likely to happen, or at least I get less eye contact and it is less pleasant. What if I were particularly sensitive to this (well I am, but I mean even more sensitive than I am!) but the way I talked about it came out in ways that didn't make sense to others? I am reminded me of a line from I Never Promised You a Rose Garden  to the effect of "You don't cut bangs with a hatchet." Well, duh! But I never understood why the speaker used such an exaggeration to make a point. But I think that is a significant thing...the loss of proportion. Maybe that happens if no one is listening to the person's concerns, so it gets blown out of proportion...then somebody has to listen!

One person who has examined alot of mental phenomena from the inside is Robert Pirsig. He has two books that indirectly talk about how it feels to crack up. The first one is a classic best seller. Wikipedia lists this trivia about it:

"Trivia: Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the bestseller that was rejected by the greatest number of potential publishers (121)."

Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance is quite a book. But it was the sequal that I was thinking about today,Lila: An Inquiry into Morals. Somewhere in there Pirsig looks at how Native cultures viewed different mental states...they didn't necessarily view them the way we do today (or view them the same tribe-to-tribe). I was thinking there is at least one tribe that viewed schizophrenia as a possibly inspired state. What are the implications of that? So I thougth Pirsig's work might interest you if you like to read (and his ideas on Quality might interest you as an artist).

ps Bruce has his name on a couple of patents. did you see those too?





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Reply #22 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 8:04am
 
Lucy:

- I think that the point here is the exaggeration. I believe that one can be abducted and that we can hear to other people/spirits thoughts. But I instill believe that such things doesn’t mean that a normal live is not possible. So it’s important to watch the self in order to realize when we crossed the line between the normal and the exaggeration. Of course it’s not a sharp line but we must try.

Madscketcher:

- Some times we get in trouble with somebody during a lifetime, then in a next lifetime if we are incarnated and this person is not, if this person is still not a lightened spirit He/She tend to work for revenge and they do it attacking the points were we are weaker. So some times you indeed have an enemy but it’s not the one you thing it is.
I believe that this is your case, somebody “not physical” is trying to make you believe that there is a conspiracy against you and you can’t believe it otherwise you will get lost.
The best choice in such case is trying to focus your mind at your guides (very often friends of previous lifetime not incarnated at this moment) in order to get their inspiration.
The only way to do it is trying to lift your vibration  (as lucy said) to over take the noisy band. The only way to lift you vibration is through your thoughts and feelings.
No one can do it for you.

Believe that they are trying to help you but you have tho reach the correct tunning to listen to then through your heart.
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Reply #23 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 7:28pm
 
My impression from reading your story was that it is real, and I
got this impression right at the start. I think it is a fascinating
story and I would like to find out what is really going on.

The first thing I would do is continue your work to demonstrate
that it is real, like the tape recording. It would be good if you
had a tape recording of the fake commercial. Then, I would try to
get around you, people who are capable of dealing with things like
this, and can look at evidence objectively, like me, and who would
really engage this mentally, instead of shrugging it off.

I am familiar with schizophrenia and can tell the difference
between it and something else.  When people want to tell you that
you are crazy, let that blow by. They don't know. Maybe you are off
on a few things, maybe not. The first job is to establish that it
is really happening, as you describe, if that is the case.
You need the strength of people around you who can tell what is real
and what is not.

Emily strikes me as someone who would be capable of odd things.
She might have access to special equipment, that is being tested.
You appear to such people as someone who would make a good victim.
This could bring out in others, behavior that you sometimes see in
school children where someone is chosen as the victim. Your
sometimes drug use puts you at a disadvantage, could make you a
more vulnerable target. To defeat this, you must cease to be a good
victim. This would not happen to me because I have a
confrontational personality in such situations. I can't explain all
this in one post. But it is about being a strong person that people
will be afraid to tangle with, like me.

If this a real conspiracy, the people involved deserve to be
confronted, and that takes some preparation, and a lot of preliminary
study.

Then the idea is to find what is really going on, and who is behind
it and what their motivation is. They may be merely entertaining
themselves, or there may be more to it.

Also, there could be a paranormal element in it. Maybe you have
abilities that you don't know about yet. Maybe they can be put to
good use.

You can email me if you want to talk further.
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Reply #24 - Oct 15th, 2005 at 7:23pm
 
Hey Joey,

I've been debating whether or not I should respond to your post. I've thought about and analyzed all of your statements. I have found myself going back and forth on the matter. For anyone to take you serious on matters such as these you have to be a credible witness. From the commoners eye you most likely come across as someone who is delusional. Not because of the context of the story, but rather because of the statements regarding drugs in this post and a few others that you have shared. You also have to consider the people that are going to be reading your post. If one is resourceful enough to alter what you’re seeing on TV what’s going to stop them from knowing what you post on the web. From now on you really have to watch what you say and who you say it to. First and foremost I would like to remind you that there really are no answers. There are however plenty of clues. You have the amazing ability read behind the lines. Most people’s perception is far from the truth of reality. Your ability to think and rationalize without the burden of fear is going to be crucial in your quest for redemption.
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Reply #25 - Oct 16th, 2005 at 12:44pm
 
Mental Health and SA

Fascinating thread introduced by Madscketcher and beautiful sensitive thoughtful responses.

Becoming immersed in the dual diagnosis (substance abuse & mental illness) Mental Health field for the past 3 years, I am becoming more and more impressed by my client’s uniquenesses’ and less impressed by the labels placed on them for political disenfranchising funding purposes under the guise of helping them.  It never did feel right within me to put labels on people and I was always confused when I would see the division between so called sane and insane.  Like the thing about hearing voices and seeing visions being produced by chemicals in the brain as opposed to them being real to an individual who has access to different vibrational levels within/without our the physical/non-physical worlds.  Not that the brain chemistry can’t be fooled around with to the degree to where the visions and/or voices are suppressed or brought out, but the brain itself, IMO, could never be the source.  Like the thing about being obsessed with something.  I get obsessed about understanding the afterlife and get accused of being weird. Einstein got obsessed about the time thing and won a prize for his brilliant formula. Joe Sod, down the street, gets obsessed about his alien abduction and gets put into a mental institution.  Each equally obsessed or fascinated but each labeled with a different tag-from brilliant to crazy.  Each is guided by something that the imagination can be used to expand on and none alien to way humans think and operate. 

We dabble, as humans, in all sorts of things whether our dabblings are viewed as brilliant or horrible.  That’s why I love Monroe’s ROTE (the special one-3rd line down) so much: There is no good, there is no evil, there is only expression. (UJ, pg 217 & Voyage to Curiosity’s Father by Bruce, pg.257).  As for substance abuse, I can’t imagine someone using anything that alters the mind for no other purpose than to alter the mind. Duhh?  Even though its use might be limiting or dangerous.  We are all grand experimenters, adventurers, and questioners and will continue to be so as we bump along throughout our many lives. Hooray for us!!!         

Why do we insist on putting a label on others and requiring that we confine ourselves/them to that label?  Because it makes for a more efficient system-by no means an ideal system but a theoretically more controllable/workable one.  But in spite of all our attempts, the truth is that we each are so unique and can only decide the way to go within ourselves by whatever action we deem necessary with or without the guides which surround us whether the come in the forms of web sites, books, commercials, angles, or angels to learn whatever we need to learn while in the physical.

Anyhow, these are my thoughts for this time and place and I just love the way that we try to continue to share ourselves with each other and to help with no strings attached.

Love to all, Jean  Kiss 
     
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Reply #26 - Oct 16th, 2005 at 7:18pm
 
Jean,

The only reason to put labels on people or to diagnose pyschiatric illness is that if one maintains delusions that are dangerous, one may be a danger to oneself or others.  True, there may be genious in these delusions, or in hearing voices or the paranoia.

In C1, in our shared reality, however, people have to be able to function and interact in a normal civilized way.  I wouldn't deny anyone artistic inspiration or their uniqueness, but paranoia and schizophrenia mean that there is a real disconnect that could endanger people.

I don't believe in medicating people to create drones.  I would simply advise mad sketcher to evaluate if he is able to normal functions and tasks day-to-day.  If he can get along and feel like he is able to function, fine.  If the answer is no, medication may be temporarily indicated. 

We are all here for a reason.  If PUL is something we are meant to discover, I guarentee that with paranoia and drugs overwhelming a person, no matter how unique or artistic they may be, they will not leave this life with love.

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Reply #27 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 5:59am
 
Hi there MadSketcher,

I had a psychotic episode some years back. I'm not saying that you're mental case either.

Just that, from my experience, there are periods when you open up or in other words become sensitive.

Then you get a lot of made-up stuff streaming in along with the real stuff. As Alysia said you're maybe telepathic (like me - just a little) but you must stay off the substance abuse, talk (just talk) to a doctor and then you'll filter out the rubbish from the pearls.

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Reply #28 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 5:12pm
 
Hi Matthew,

Matt said:

Quote:The only reason to put labels on people or to diagnose pyschiatric illness is that if one maintains delusions that are dangerous, one may be a danger to oneself or others.  True, there may be genious in these delusions, or in hearing voices or the paranoia.

You notice your above disclaimer really didn’t clarify much.  A person with a diagnosis of dangerous to self or others- personally I’ve never heard of that one- is sometimes hard to determine and usually it’s someone who isolates and rarely or never sees a psychiatrist.  But we do, in the MH field throw labels around to narrow the meds down, grant extra privileges, and/or fund them.  A person who is dangerous to others gets the hackles up on your back, you feel the radiation of hate and feel fearful, and you just sense something coming at you like wave.  Their anger can be permeating but then again they could be masters of deception, either way I doubt if they have ever been labeled as danger to others before they wound up in prison. A person who is dangerous to self, well that’s harder to determine except in the most obvious behaviors.  Are they the ones who drink themselves to death or the ones who manufacture crack in their kitchens? Are they the ones who always smile and have no boundaries?  Or are they the ones that say their going to kill themselves and you respond with, “That’s an option, but let’s explore some more alternative?” which they proceed to do or do you panic and have them Court Ordered for Treatment?  Which never really works unless they are looking for someone to “make” them take the meds they believe in.  As far as the Paranoid Schizophrenic label goes, it too doesn’t say much about the totality of that person because we are each so unique and I doubt if they’re any more danger to self/danger to others who are labeled or not labeled. All I’m trying to say is that we tend to put an awful lot of power into a label that really doesn’t clarify as we do into labeling groups of peoples with the purpose of division and separation unjustifiably.

I could go on about the MH field but I still wind up with the labels hinder rather than help to clarify.

Thanks for your input.

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Reply #29 - Oct 17th, 2005 at 5:38pm
 
Hi Madsketcher,

I am tagging on late on this thread because I really know nothing about professional mental health issues.  But, frankly, I think you come across as just a pretty nice person with some rather unusual ideas.  I know that in my early twenties I went through some bizarre times, experimenting with certain drugs with little discretion.  It was part of my learning process.  I always considered myself to be on my own personal path to happiness, even though there were times when I isolated myself and felt actual despair.  The point is, I survived. 

Life is not always easy, but you sound like someone who is simply looking for new directions.  You asked in your initial post for new reading materials, etc., but no one offered them to you.  Everyone kind of got all excited about your unusual perceptions and seemingly downward spiral.

I'd just say, keep focused on the positive.  See a doctor if things seem out of control but know that you are a good person and will get through this.  I'm rooting for you.

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