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Oct 3rd, 2005 at 10:02pm
 
The other demons thread digressed into an argumetn.

I use the findings of TMI and its graduates as my starting point and point of reference for all truth claims that lay outside my personal experience. I understand them to be creedless, reasonably unbiased, professional in their approach, and at the cutting edge of their research. So far their findings have not contradicted my experiences.

So I ask the TMI grads: Are there demons or not? If not, what is it exactly that people are experiencing as demons or demonic, particularly in cases of posession?

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Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2005 at 10:45pm
 
The very topic itself is like a litmus test, or forcefully dividing line in terms of clarity & wisdom... those who correctly understand the true nature of this matter (the existence of dark force entities or 'demonic') with clarity and without fear*, and those who fall to the illusion of darkness and fear*, for whom (the latter group) even discussing about such a topic may be unhealthy.

[*FEAR = False Evidence Appearing as Real]


This is a difficult matter to correctly understand for most people, hence do tread lightly. Remember that during the course of such a discussion, should you feel any fear whatsoever, remember what fear really is - False Evidence Appearing as Real.

There simply isn't anything to be afraid of. Only something to be clear about, something to assist, and everything to love.


I have made a number of posts in regards to this topic, including links to the work of the late Dr William Baldwin on this subject. If you proceed to read these links or discuss this subject, please do so only in the (true) light of love, not the (false) darkness of fear.


The Exorcism of Emily Rose
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1126502283

Spirit Releasement Therapy and Dark Force Entities
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1122476471

Shall we be in denial, or (be in) understanding?
http://infinity.hispeed.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1124107706

Read Spirit Releasement Therapy (SRT) accounts on how to
most helpfully deal with Dark Force Entities (DFEs aka the 'demonic') :
Spirit Releasement Therapy - A Technique Manual
Healing Lost Souls - Releasing Unwanted Spirits From Your Energy Body
Freeing the Captives - The Emerging Therapy of Treating Spirit Attachment

Read on the beautifully inspiring technique of calling the name of Christ :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm
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Reply #2 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 1:12am
 
What, exactly, is a 'demon'?
Apart from being a word, that is.
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Reply #3 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 9:08am
 
Ha, ha, ha! Good one hiorta. I realize that you're not just joking.

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Apart from being a word, that is.

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Reply #4 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:46am
 
Hi Bob,

I personally have never run into anything even remotely resembling a demon in all my travels. However, I don't dwell on demons, etc. as so many people do. Love is my thing, not fear. I went through 28 years of fear with  my abusive husband and have released all of the fear and will never live in fear again.

My feelings of what demons, etc., are is that they are thought forms (remember that our thoughts are real) created by people, especially those who make horror movies, stories, etc.

I always surround myself with white light and ask for protection of my guides and angels with each and every journey I take non-physically.

Kyo, thanks for your post. Wink

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Reply #5 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:02pm
 
As our “Astral” body is very sensitive to our subconscious, once we get into the afterlife we tend to show a physical appearance according to our self image.

That means if we believe that we are a demon so we will look like, of course our behavior tend to be one which fits our belief system.

As many here have already noticed mind can influence mind, so if due to one’s belief system this person can easily accept the thoughts sent by a “demon” (a spirit who consider HIM/HER self to be one) that person can develop a  thoughts_exchange like relationship with such “demon”.

As long such relationship got deeper it can be considered a “Possession”.

It’s what I have noticed.
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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:05pm
 
Marilyn:

Good to see that things have turned out so well for you after those 28 years. Smiley

Perhaps some of the negative spirits that try to pop in now and then, are deceased abusive people that don't want to leave the earth realm. I doubt that they have a lot of power. They aren't even in control of their own minds. Therefore, it's hard to see how they can control anybody else. Not unless they find a host with similar tendencies. Or a host whoes belief in possession makes them a likely candidate. If a person believes that a wandering spirit can possess them, that might provide the wandering spirit with what they need.

I bet there are also some cases in which people create the idea of being possesed, and they need the same person who helped them create this belief, to press a bible on top of their head in order to believe that the negative spirit is gone.

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Hi Bob,

I personally have never run into anything even remotely resembling a demon in all my travels. However, I don't dwell on demons, etc. as so many people do. Love is my thing, not fear. I went through 28 years of fear with  my abusive husband and have released all of the fear and will never live in fear again.

My feelings of what demons, etc., are is that they are thought forms (remember that our thoughts are real) created by people, especially those who make horror movies, stories, etc.

I always surround myself with white light and ask for protection of my guides and angels with each and every journey I take non-physically.

Kyo, thanks for your post. Wink

With Love, Mairlyn Wink

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Reply #7 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:07pm
 
I eended belive that:

"...They aren't even in control of their own minds. It's hard to see how they can control anybody else. Not unless they find a host with similar tendencies. Or a host whoes belief in possession makes them a likely candidate..."
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Reply #8 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:49pm
 
Kardec:

I'm unclear about what you mean.

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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:55pm
 
hey! Kyo..you have saved me again! ha ha! Cheesy I just read the link given for Hilarion speaks on the dark brothers and realized the correlations between his message to us and what happened in Roadsign three of my book..well, actually, I have in that roadsign expressed the same thing as Hilarion, yet, somehow, reading what he says here "I command you in the name of Christ to remove yourself" (concerning dark entities)  I just wanted to report also, that speaking, or leaning on the Word, the admonition Christ gave so long ago in linear time, yet still works to this day!

I have been amiss, as many of us, to speak the word in commanding tones....but I did this once and the entities were removed from me. actually, it wasn't that hard! I knew Jesus had overcome such things...I only proclaimed to these, I aligned with Christ in that kind of love which was unselfish...so that whatever was to happen to me, (was quite unknown!) I knew and trusted the Christ would gather my soul up to save it from this unknown factor. I merely leaned on the Christ..snuggled up to him, if you know what I mean. I had not read the bible...but he had come to instruct us to call out his name if we needed to..I think DP was instructing me to remember this..to say Be gone! according to His Word!  I only knew on the morrow I celebrated for two, three weeks steady...knowing I could not take credit for having gotten myself out of this mess, but did not know how I could be so happy then, after this road sign. there must have been guides around smiling and sending me energy then, as I had done nothing but lean into the Christ words.

on one level it was like curiosity was about to kill the cat.....so I wasn't down on myself for being so curious about the afterlife, but I was chided for being an impatient one, I think by DP. (Dead Preacher, my guide) I would often say to DP.."I'm not sorry!"
he would say, well, you set yourself up! I would say, well, I know now! I know! then he would say, "u could have known more gently!"  I would say, well, it's done. no use crying over spilled milk. and quite the contrary, like I said..I must have had help to celebrate the truth so long and hard.......we are immortal, but beyond that, there was one who loved us so much, that his mere word acts to protect us!

whaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!  this gets to me.....I gotta go pull myself together........
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I'm sorry I very often have some difficulty to express my self in English. I meant I really agreed with that statement.
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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 1:55pm
 
Okay. Thank you for the clarification.

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Reply #12 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 2:33pm
 
Recoverer,

I completely agree with your post. Wink

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Good to see that things have turned out so well for you after those 28 years.


I have since learned that when we choose challenging lives, we progress faster and this is what both my husband and I did although neither of us knew it at the time. After he died in 1987, it still took me awhile to finally understand it all and only in the past 5 years or so has it all become so much clearer to me.  My husband is the Helper who goes with me on retrievals. Wink  And I'm still learning as we all are. It never ends. Wink

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Reply #13 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 3:04pm
 
For a number of years the thought of a guy abusing his wife or girlfriend was a pet peeve of mine.  I used to wonder why I felt so sympathetic for women who get abused. Perhaps because I was abused in a past life time.

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I completely agree with your post. Wink


I have since learned that when we choose challenging lives, we progress faster and this is what both my husband and I did although neither of us knew it at the time. After he died in 1987, it still took me awhile to finally understand it all and only in the past 5 years or so has it all become so much clearer to me.  My husband is the Helper who goes with me on retrievals. Wink  And I'm still learning as we all are. It never ends. Wink

With Love, Mairlyn Wink

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Reply #14 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 3:08pm
 
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Kyo, thank you for your post.  I read part of the above link you supplied this morning regarding fragmentation of consciousness and found it to resonate with my experience with healing.

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