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Reply #60 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 12:28pm
 
kardec,

Forgive me for using belief system specific terminology.

War is evil. I don't know if there is something more evil than war in physical existence, but it's up there. A war can never be any better than the lessor of two evils, if it's even that.

However, one can be either on the right side or the wrong side of a war.  A person defending against Hitler's agression would be on the right side. Rightous intent would be the determining factor here. Defending against aggression, saving lives, property and livelihood, and other instances where the use of deady force is reasonable and necessary, and all other means of prevention and/or defense have either not worked or are obviously not going to work. In other words, as a last resort after all other means have failed.

That was borrowed theology and my experience with Rules of Engagement in the US military.

We know that things happen for a reason, for the higher good and the good of ourselves as individuals, both at the macro and micro levels.  So whether a particular war or event in a war is evil or not is not something I can say with certaintly, even when appearances seem clear from the physical perspective.

At some point I hope Humankind will evolve to the point where suffering is no longer necessary for learning and evolution and the absence of Love will not prevail in any instance.

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Reply #61 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 1:45pm
 
Hi Rob-

I am reminded of the German battle hymn "Gott Mit Uns", which is remarkably like the "Battle Hymn of the Republic" in flavor, and that, in turn, recalls the Japanese notion of "manifest destiny" through which the benificent Japanese Empire set out to liberate all those Asian nations, and which was followed by the Communist liberation of the working classes in China, Viet Nam etc etc etc.

Like drugs aren't evil of themselves (although pushers might be), nor are guns or bombs etc (although the users might be), I suggest that wars are neutral in nature as well, since they only occur when both sides are morally right. (Just ask 'em.)

However, some of the things that we in order to learn how to progress seem to be exceptionally low yield investments of your resources (unless you really enjoy negative karma).

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Reply #62 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 1:46pm
 
"...Defending against aggression, saving lives, property and livelihood, and other instances where the use of deady force is reasonable and necessary, and all other means of prevention and/or defense have either not worked or are obviously not going to work..."

Bob,

I don’t know if you is neither American nor English but I‘ve to confess that when I read what you wrote above I saw a description of Iraqi people. So I guess the Good side in this case is that where people are in their country defending they livelihood.

I had to say that because my heart could never accept what USA made there. They were destroyed.

Sorry.

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Reply #63 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 2:05pm
 
taking a little consensus on this demon thread, we now have 675 views on it....hmm..wonder if that is 675 original views by computer users (scuse me for calling you a computer Cheesy) or if each view by the posters counts as another number? anybody know?

the other consensus is we seem to degenerate into politics, the last refuge of a scoundral so said a friend of mine....just teasing....please don't take me too seriously at all time Cheesy  so....the concensus of whether there are demons or whether there are not demons seems to have been arrived at and it is TA DA!

no, there are not. but there is FEAR (false evidence appearing as real) in other words allusions.
so anybody want to talk about allusions?

well, not here. I'll go start another topic since allusions are not demons since demons don't exist.

I really should take a shower and meditate.....
Grin love/light/peace/flowers/etc. alysia

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Reply #64 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 2:09pm
 
Kardec,

I didn't ask for your political opinion, nor was I inviting a political debate.  That was a corner you did not need to turn.

My nationality is not relevant, either.

You asked a question, I attempted to answer it.

People get 'destroyed' in war, that is one of the reasons it's evil. Example: when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, when he dropped nerve gas on the Kurds, and when he drained the swamps depended upon by the Marsh Arabs, and when terrorists put rat poison in their bombs so when they blow up the children they have targeted, those who don't die in the initial blast will bleed out and die before medical personnel can assist them (rat poison being an anti-coagulent). 

Both sides can be argued effectively as to whether the Americans, British, and other coalition forces should be over there. Personally, I am against that war, for my own reasons. But that doesn't mean I agree with you. I certainly don't agree with fallacious thinking, even my own.

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Reply #65 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 2:09pm
 
I've just tested it and I saw that each new view of the same user counts like new one.
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Reply #66 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 2:15pm
 
FALLACIOUS = containing or based on false ideas


It's me?
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Reply #67 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 3:11pm
 
hmm. mind telling me how you found out Kardek, about the counter? just curious.

oh, don't start an argument you guys, it's all opinions here, nothing personal I'm sure. love, alysia

nothing can get us heated up like discussing politics, but that not exactly my opinion of what Bruces books are all about.
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Reply #68 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 3:16pm
 
Will I looked this post 625 times, so I guess there's not much doing. I'm sorry. The devil made me do it.


Just kidding, just kidding.
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Reply #69 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 4:50pm
 
Kardec,

There are numerous website detailing various fallacies.  Fee free to do some actual research.

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Reply #70 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 7:10pm
 
I have encountered some strange occurances in my dreams and an OBE:

In one OBE, a stray sexual thought sends me into a sewer like world that looks harmless enough, but with an escape a ladder leading upward with more skeletons in cages set up like a gauntlet making this horrible moaning laugher that tortured me until I performed (what I believe is) an emergency escape back to C1 (this happened automatically, thank god.)  This receives a high score on the intimidation factor.  I sense some subconscious problems being locked away like skeletons in a dungeon, you could say. (My poetic spin on what happened.)
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In another dream, I am fighting with a man who now seems harmless, but I was in "fight back mode" and could not think straight.  After running from him, I wander into some sort of hallway trap and this "Invisible Banshee" (BEST DESCRIPTION) comes screaming at me and slams into my being (my guess from the chakra vibrations I felt, stealing energy or violating my space. Perhaps a stray spirit looking for a good time with my Biological Machine?).
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Another dream that has ceased for now but seems to be a recurring one:

I am inside a darker than darkness room and a toxically negative presence (In a man from) is watching over me lying upon a cot or bed of some sort.  The man is unseen.

He reappears (assumingly) in another dream about an abandoned cabin at a summer camp where I, for half the time, am unaware that all my room mates are gone and I am alone in a "horrible" place. 

If this is what godlessness feels like, I am convinced to never forget how to love.

There is plenty, but these are my best ones that would make hollywood take me to their studios.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #71 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 8:57pm
 
scuse me, one big belly laugh I must release!!!
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Will I looked this post 625 times, so I guess there's not much doing. I'm sorry. The devil made me do it.
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I got a good laugh. thank you.
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Reply #72 - Oct 7th, 2005 at 11:58pm
 
Bob said: Quote:
People get 'destroyed' in war, that is one of the reasons it's evil. Example: when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait, when he dropped nerve gas on the Kurds, and when he drained the swamps depended upon by the Marsh Arabs, and when terrorists put rat poison in their bombs so when they blow up the children they have targeted, those who don't die in the initial blast will bleed out and die before medical personnel can assist them (rat poison being an anti-coagulent).   


Same with my country using depleted uranium causing so many birth defects, etc. I wonder how many people really know about depleted uranium and what all the effects are from it.

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Reply #73 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 5:41am
 
Our government, and governments of course, has done worse than let DU loose in the environment.

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Reply #74 - Oct 8th, 2005 at 7:07am
 
Our government, and governments of course, has done worse than let DU loose in the environment. 

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It is hard to resist asking what you might be doing abut this? in the spirit of Robin Hood/MacGregor/Pretty Boy Floyd, of course!

And to comment that as a part of our culture, we are the government! Democracy is a culture, not a government. The worst thing our government has done...I am reminded of Mr. Lincoln's words about fooling the people....those in government have figured out how to fool the people, and we let it happen. That is the worst thing that has happened. Now that sort of foolery is embedded in the culture. We get distracted from the real issues by other things.

I thought warfarin had to be ingested to be effective? Is it also effective when applied locally?

Is Judy Blaisdel one of the mediums Gary Schwarzt works with? I see he and a William Simon are coming out with a book on work with Allison DuBois.

Steve_Ed I always think dream experiences are things I could never think up in waking conciousness, so their fantastic (as in fantasy) nature is quite intriguing even if I don't know what it all means.

I was hoping the counter would come up on "666" for me but I got "777" instead.
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