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Reply #30 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 9:15am
 
you said: I wonder if there are conscious beings stuck in focus 27, if they don't sometimes mis-see the helpers as demons to themselves.
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I think it's focus 23 where this can occur. a man shot at a wall, reliving his death scene, waiting for the bullet, stuck, as it were, I came up behind him, but he thought I was the shooter...he "dressed me in those clothes"  so I had to change clothes fast to retrieve him to helpers.
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Reply #31 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 9:33am
 
Right, my typo, I meant focus 23.   Thanks Alysia.



I only recently learned I was spelling your name incorrectly with two ss    Sorry.
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Reply #32 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 10:46am
 
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(and a hello to Mairlyn, Alysia, Kathy )

This entire topic is a tricky subject, and for many reasons. I'll attempt a quick summary here, with no specific intention of attacking or criticising anyone or any viewpoint in particular, but mention of these will be relevant to my point, which I shall now attempt to communicate :

On one extreme, there are the fundamentalists who fear demons with a religious fervor, as if they were some organized heirachy of absolute religious darkness led by 'The Devil', and be regarded as entities that everyone should be terrified of.

On the other extreme, there are those who take the simplistic (and admittedly much easier to work with approach for most people) view that 'demons' are simply misguided human souls, much as a wayword child, nothing more.

Neither view appears to the entire truth. The problem with this subject, is the tremendous human fear that is associated with the subject and concept of 'demon'. In truth of course, such fear (false evidence appearing as real) and darkness, is only a false idea created in oneself, in the person who fears.

To first understand what these Dark Force Entities (DFEs) are, it would be useful to read Spirit Releasement Therapy (SRT) accounts on how to most helpfully deal with Dark Force Entities (DFEs) or the 'demonic' :
Spirit Releasement Therapy - A Technique Manual
Healing Lost Souls - Releasing Unwanted Spirits From Your Energy Body
Freeing the Captives - The Emerging Therapy of Treating Spirit Attachment


It would be really very nice and quite frankly desirable, if reality was exactly as described by Dave. And perhaps, it indeed is exactly like that.

But from the accounts by William Baldwin, Louise Ireland Frey, and also the writings of Hilarion, evidently there is something that goes a little beyond both viewpoints previously mentioned. That is to say, neither viewpoint is entirely correct.

First and foremost, Dave's view is totally and absolutely correct, in the regard that in dealing with 'demons', there needs to be no fear *whatsoever*, only love. This is true in dealing with all matters, including on this subject.

However, it is an errorneous idea to assume we're speaking about normal souls (much less human souls), when referring to Dark Force Entities.

What we're talking about, are actually illusionary 'shells of darkess', not quite actual beings or souls, for those would indeed be part of God.

The soul, or spark of God within, of the original being(s) that created the 'shell(s) of darkness' or 'demon', remains at the core of the 'demon'. But the darkness, is not the God within.

And why would any spark of God create such an illusion of darkness then? As William Baldwin explains in "Healing Lost Souls" pages 88 & 89, and pages 90 & 91), these beings (sparks of God), had been mislead to (mis)believe, that they were not God, that they did not have the Light within them. (One could say, a (far) more extreme form of dogmatic brainwashing akin to the lies of the Church).

Hence, the 'demon', much like the computer virus (which is merely a souless program), is merely a 'cloak' or 'shell' of darkness (ie. absence of Light), and *not* the actual being or soul who (misguidedly) created it, who is forever a part of God.

Thusly, there may be helpful precautions and differences in (appropriateness of) approach, that may come to light, if one understands the true nature of 'demons', rather than either a fearful false fundamentalist conception, or an oversimplistic one.

For those who choose to staunchly stand by the happier, simplier model of 'no such things as demons', that is perfectly fine, as is for those who choose the darker, 'demonic' fundamentalist religious model of 'demons' and fear (false evidence appearing as real).

What you choose to believe, or see, becomes your reality. And so you work with such, accordingly.

So is there any effective or helpful difference between Dave's model and what we're conveying here? Or is it nothing more than a play on words and terminology, as some might think?

The reason why we choose to speak on this, is that whilst it is far less damaging to imagine the happier, simplistic model as compared to the fearful, 'demonic', fundamentalist model, there is still some danger there, if the model turns out to be incomplete. For potentially, should a future, more extensive experience come that appears to contradict some aspects of the happier, simplistic model, there might be unnecessary confusion and wasted opportunity.

But far more importantly (to correct), all of us here (including Dave, Mairlyn, Alysia, and yourself, dear reader) would like to do what we can, to dispell the false ideas of the fearful, fundamentalist 'demonic' model based on fear, because that is the most unhelpful model to work with, for all involved (including for the spark of God behind the 'cloak of darkness' or DFE).


So what exactly is a Dark Force Entity (DFE) or 'demon', and how do we most lovingly, most helpfully, most appropriately, deal with these?

There is of course, no one single answer. If you already have an existing approach, which works well for you (as a therapist such as Dave, Gordon Phinn, or a retriever such as Mairlyn, Alysia, etc), and is clearly helpful to the beings involved, then it is exactly what works best for you, what is most helpful to the beings that receive help, then by all means, please continue.

But if you're still quite unsure as to how best to approach all of this, as to what this is all about, then a suggestion, would be to have a once-over read on the Spirit Releasement Therapy (SRT) material on the subject :
Spirit Releasement Therapy - A Technique Manual
Healing Lost Souls - Releasing Unwanted Spirits From Your Energy Body
Freeing the Captives - The Emerging Therapy of Treating Spirit Attachment

As well as a relevant page from "Other Kingdoms" by Hilarion, on calling the name of Christ :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm


The final answer therefore, lies in recognizing these entities for what they really are, recognizing both

1) the outer 'shell of darkness' that should not be mistaken or regarded or treated as a human soul, but instead require the direct assistance of specialized helpers and angels for the 'turning' or transforming;

2) the inner essence of the spark of Light, the GodSelf that is the eternal, true identity of the Being, and of all Beings.


Hi Kyo,

I enjoyed your post and whole heartedly agree..its not so simple or so black and white (what usually is in the ELS, except for Love?)..

 I've had similar thoughts on my own--through intution and "uplinking".    

 I also relate it to what Bruce talks about in his 4th book, when he is going over the "history" of the "beginning"...   To generally paraphrase him, in the beginning when Consciousness was a single Source of Light within the Void or Unknown, it decided to try and explore the void or UnKnown as Bruce called it.  So it hit upon a plan to send parts of itself out to explore and to come back...and at first it was almost like a science experiment...  Some parts disintregrated before they even went out, some parts disintregrated not too long after they had been released, and some went out but never came back....

 One did come back though, and had Love as its base energetic...and Love can be thought of a as a harmonizing bonder...  Like Love is Light waves or an all encompassing field which holds separate particles together linking them all in ever adjusting but ultimately harmonious way.  Bruce uses the analogy of water binding the particles of a dry cake mix...  

 And as the Cayce Readings say, we as individuals are not the Whole, yet we can be One with the Whole... and the great gift to every Soul from the Creator is the ability to know itself as itself, and yet know itself to be part of, and One with all others.

 Then Consciousness created all other Sparks either through the First Child who came home (which i believe is what some call the Christ Spirit), or used it as a model to create all other Sparks...

 Some of these "new" Souls, it seems, were created with the specific (Creator) intention of being Retrievers (course they have Freewill)... cause there were still some of those original Sparks out there, and though they had a God/Creator spark in them, the ratio of or balance to PUL was lacking...  

 These are the true Lost Souls, and these are oft part of that Consciousness of which Cayce talked much about concerning Atlantis and its destruction--The Sons of Belial who worshipped self, separitism, and base materialism at the expense of consideration of others, or spiriitual principles..  Needless to say, many of these poor Souls with these dense, dark, and selfish patterns are in material power over the masses again, especially in certain countries like America...and yet again will we experience material destruction so that the more refined, positive, and faster vibrating energies can come in and merge with the physical....  We need to project Love to them constantly, and pray, "Thy Will be done, for the Highest benefit for the Collective".  

 Some were attracted into other even darker, or denser systems than ours, but evolved differently and became very powerful in a M-Band Thought way...  Apparently it is some of these in which we may have problems with around 2500 as Rosiland saw from tapping into future probabilities in the Akashic records...
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Reply #33 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 11:58am
 
I read Rosalind Mcknight's Cosmic Journeys just once, so my memory might be a little fuzzy on this. This is what I remember when it comes to possession.

Earthbound spirits might try to take over a "body" when a person is asleep. But once a person becomes conscious, the spirit is pushed out.

If a person meditates and ventures completely away from his or her physical and etheric bodies, such absence might enable a spirit to take over this person's body.

But this isn't true for all people. Some are advanced enough so that even when they leave their lower level bodies behind, they can't be inhabbitted.

The guides she met instructed that people should ask for protection from their guides and to surround their bodies with white light (or golden?) when they venture beyond their lower level bodies, so that another spirit can't pop into them.

In each case she talks about a "body" being taken over. She "doesn't" talk about a person's soul or mind being taken over, which is quite a different thing than a body.

I also can't recall her mentioning something other than an earthbound spirit trying to take over a body.

Regarding 2,500, she also mentions that there are friendly alien races keeping an eye out on the earth, so that a negative race can't intefere with it. My impression is that these friendly alien races are more advanced than the negative alien races.

Overall the book seems to imply, that in the end, things are going to work out very well. There might be a few bumps along the way.  It also seems as if time isn't a limiting factor, when things are figured out.

I plan to read the book again, so my memory will be clearer. But not just for this spooky stuff. Mainly for the interesting and inspiring parts.


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 Some were attracted into other even darker, or denser systems than ours, but evolved differently and became very powerful in a M-Band Thought way...  Apparently it is some of these in which we may have problems with around 2500 as Rosiland saw from tapping into future probabilities in the Akashic records... [/quote]
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Reply #34 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 12:03pm
 
Thanks again Alysia, for everything you are Smiley


Yes, my larger role (ie. not limited to this or any lifetime, or even to intraphysicality) as I have chosen it, my path of evolution and assistantiality, my modality of being and expression, is that of a communications networker, bridging and bringing information and energies of varying natures from many different levels, guides & helpers, and for many different people, across varying interest groups.

Which is why, incidentally, some of my posts use the more natural (and accurate) pronoun "we", for I am at times speaking for both myself and my extraphysical colleagues, the message or communication being a shared intention and common interest for both myself and us.

And this, of course, is open to all who might choose it for themselves; it's all a matter of free will, choice and personal preference, and the willingness to work colleagially with all guide & helper beings who by their own willingness, extend their invitation for such.

This principle is clearly demonstrated by the retrievals that you and many others here work with as an act of love and service, only perhaps (the same principle) in another form. Perhaps the system that best serves as an epitome for working most closely and effectively, with the extraphysical guides & helpers and all higher vibrational beings, would be the members of the International Academy of Consciousness (IAC), whose work and projects more than actively involve countless guides & helpers across many networks and levels, overarchingly.

As the IAC iterates with graceful eloquence, our role (for all of us) as conscientially diligent and self-responsible human beings in service of the greater good for all, as a natural expression of Love, are as minicogs within a multidimensional, interconsciential, interpersonal, assistantial maximechanism, offering our assistance and support in all polykarmic assistantial projects possible.


Love Smiley

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Reply #35 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 12:04pm
 
On a personal note, my guidance has put a fair amount of effort in getting me to see, that I don't need to fear being taken over by something. I don't believe that it would try to mislead me in this regard.
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Reply #36 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 12:21pm
 
Greets Justin2710,

It's nice to see that you (and your extraphysical guidance group) are in resonance and 'linkage' with the energies and perspectives of the ones whom Cayce worked closely with.

It's really heartwarming, to observe the many different levels, groups and networks of beings, guides & helpers, and indeed the countless uniquely faceted energies of Love, work together beautifully in a dance of harmony in service of the greater CosmoEthic.

Thanks, Justin Smiley
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Reply #37 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 12:46pm
 
Doc, it don't matter how u spell my name, when I leave this life, I'll be leaving that name behind anyway. I always say this about that Grin  call me anything you want, just don't call me late for dinner! love, alysia
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Reply #38 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 1:13pm
 
Alysia,

Reminds me of John Lennon's line in the ballad of John and Yoko:

"Last night the wife said, oh boy when you're dead, you don't take nothing with you but your soul  Think!"

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Reply #39 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 1:59pm
 
Thanks to all for responding to my inquiry.
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Reply #40 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 2:10pm
 
As a point of interest, there is an episode in "Star Trek: The Next Generation" called "Who Watches the Watches."

How this relates to demons/Gods?

The federation is observing a Bronze Age civiliation from a "holo-grammed" outpost in a planetary rock, so as to not violate the prime directive of "no cultural interferance."  However, (without spoiling the plot for those interested) a native notices the outpost without power and due to this, a cultural contamination takes place. 

The native is severely injured by an electrical issue in the station, but the medical Officer from the Enterprise decides to restore him because she feels responsible, so she beams him up.

They intend to wipe his memory so that no negative effects in the culture will occur.  However he remembers and, after being healed, believes this super technology to be the work of a god and starts preaching to the people.  It is up the Enterprise to convince the people that they are not superior beings before holy wars and inquisitions start over what was seen.
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Reply #41 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 2:26pm
 
I don't understand how any of us has made it as far as we have, with all these negative forces running around.

It's funny how some groups of people run into them all the time, while other groups don't.
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Reply #42 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 4:05pm
 
Hi Steve_ED,
this is a real nice piece you told us (I've seen it too!), it's like it seems guides are working. I once was angry and asked: "Hey you guide-folks, you claim that you and I have a good connection. So what now? Why don't you just tell me what I have to do?" No answer. So I had to break my own head about this issue, and found, if they were telling me what I have to do it would be just not my own life and it is, so it seems, intended, that the learning process is enforced when there is some level of independence instead of "do this, do that, we know the right things to do".
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Reply #43 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 4:25pm
 
My guidance just offered me some levity about this situation. I took a work break for a moment and meditated. I asked if there's anythig to worry about. After a short bit, I was shown a clear, 3d moving image of Elizabeth Montgomery (aka bewitch).  I could vaguely hear her speaking to somebody. Shortly after I saw her, she stopped looking at the person she was talking to, and turned to look at me.

To me she's more representative of what witches are all about, than say for example, the viewpoint of people who burned supposed "evil" witches at the stake. The people who burnt people are a good example of how things get blown out of proportion, when people listen to fear and the need to be in control. As a result, they define other beings as more powerfull and evil than they are. Sometimes they'll go as far as doing something such as attacking another country. Now what did I mean by that?

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Reply #44 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 4:27pm
 
Recoverer said: I don't understand how any of us has made it as far as we have, with all these negative forces running around.
It's funny how some groups of people run into them all the time, while other groups don't.
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had this same question awhile ago. was studying Robert Bruce who runs into what he calls "negs." doing horrendous battles from his descriptions...naturally, I was curious why I never run into negs to do battle with, and whether that should be on my menu? Sad I like some of his work very much, and couldn't discredit him for everything he's written. I confess I'm a bit of a flower child..but some of his stories verged on the ridiculous, so I sought to understand the man, or at least his pathway.
what came to me during meditation was comforting to me and settled my questions. the message was that there are beings who are called warrior spirits, as well as protector, or guardian spirits. RB, it was given to me is a defender warrior spirit. in other words he has not come here to initiate war against negs, but he balances the score pad acting in conjunction with many other non/physicals, his group soul, as it were. each time he does a sort of astral duty in the other layers, he disingages some pressure of negative energy, like a steam valve, he acts as, so the negs, or that neg energy gets disappated, so to speak. he actually uses his body, his astral body to do this...I couldn't fathom...it's not my pathway, yet i couldn't throw him out of my heart either, just because I didn't understand his journey and thought him rather strange..each time he triumphs to balance the ledger, whatever, he himself becomes more powerful in light, for the next time he is called upon, to defend, guard, or alleviate a situation wherein a neg has overstayed it's welcome, so to speak. if you've ever watched an Austrailian on TV wrestling with an alligator, you get the idea of what sort of adventures he takes on within astral. one such adventure amazed me beyond compare that it took him 30 days to complete his soul mission from start to end which included a recuperation period for him, just as if it were a disease of another he had taken on, then had to heal himself. in this case he had done an astral exorcism for a child; there had been a sort of curse going on in the family for awhile and it was time to end it.
no, I've never met such negs, although I did receive an initiation of sorts to retrieve a serial/rapist murderer which went a heck of a lot easier than I thought it would, I really don't think I came close to anything RB does out there. I'm quite content handing out flowers thank u very much! love, alysia
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