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Reply #15 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 3:23pm
 
Marilyn:

I recently read Rosalind Mcknights book "Cosmic Journeys." The guides in her book recommend that a person does what you do, when he or she ventures beyond his or her physical and etheric bodies (and perhaps emotional/astral body), and into his or her mental and spiritual bodies (and perhaps emotional/astral body). I don't recall how the emotional/astral body fits into the picture. The guides Rosalind communicated with also said that some people don't need such protection. Details not provided.  As I wrote this I saw a shadow on my right. I'm at work now. No bad vibes though. I've seen lots of shadows etc. and I'm doing okay. Much thanks to all the wonderfull help I've been receiving.

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I always surround myself with white light and ask for protection of my guides and angels with each and every journey I take non-physically.


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Reply #16 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 4:48pm
 
Just wanted to mention Rosie's second book which was published this year "Soul Journeys" and it's very good too. I know you'd enjoy it. I met Rosie while I lived in Virginia and we became good friends. She's such a happy, joyous soul. Wink

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Reply #17 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 6:05pm
 
Marilyn said..."I have since learned that when we choose challenging lives, we progress faster and this is what both my husband and I did although neither of us knew it at the time."

Oh yeah...I figure my first words to John when I finally catch up with him will be "What in the *** were we thinking!?!?"  I'm sure it made sense at the time...as someone somewhere pointed out, when we're picking these lives we're rested, on top of all that knowledge, and we feel nine feet tall and bullet-proof...;>}
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Reply #18 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 6:48pm
 
Cricket said: when we're picking these lives we're rested, on top of all that knowledge, and we feel nine feet tall and bullet-proof...;>}

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truer words cannot be found Cheesy makes u wonder, is this life really an experiment? ponder, ponder, ponder...
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Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 9:04am
 
Marilyn:

Thank you for the recommendation. I have soul journeys. I read it before I read cosmic journeys.  I really enjoyed both books. I sort of thought I finished reading spiritual books, but then was drawn to both Rosie's and Bruce Moen's books, if you know what I mean. And they've come into my life at just the right time. It also seems as if there was some planning behind when I got them.

On a similar note, one day while meditating, I suddenly saw a clear image of an opened magazine. The page turned and my attention was drawn to the words: "Thank goodness for Bruce Moen." I think my guidance was trying to tell me something.

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Just wanted to mention Rosie's second book which was published this year "Soul Journeys" and it's very good too. I know you'd enjoy it. I met Rosie while I lived in Virginia and we became good friends. She's such a happy, joyous soul. Wink

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Reply #20 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 9:23am
 
I like the way recoverer said:  I sort of thought I finished reading spiritual books,
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as same boat I was in. thought I was through reading spiritual or self help books after ACIM..then found Bruce's books and found out I wasn't through yet! ha ha! I had read Monroe though before ACIM and he was always on the top of my list of favorites.
so glad I wasn't through! Cheesy
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Reply #21 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 10:25am
 
Yeah, me too! Grin But how many times can this happen? I do want to read up on spiritual healing. Something tells me I might have ability to take part in it. But I don't know anything about it.


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Reply #22 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 11:28am
 
how many times does this happen? Grin

mind if I tell a joke? ok, ha ha!

Q: how many psychologists does it take to change a lightbulb?
A: Only one, but the lightbulb has to want to change.

now, if u get any wisdom out of that or just a laff, I would be happy!

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Reply #23 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 11:44am
 
  LoL yeah, but the best psychologist for the lightbulb is its Own Light is shining forth...
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Reply #24 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 11:55am
 
right Justin..if they only taught this in grade school!
well, it's all good, I always say....
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Reply #25 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 9:31pm
 
Hi Folks-

I notice that there is a strong tendency to talk about demons as if (1) they exist as a separate and distinct species, (2) they are defines by some kind of absolute.

Personally, after meeting lots of putative demons in past life work and entity evictions, I never met a demon that I didn't like. In fact, I actually never met a demon, at least not according to those definitions.

What I have encountered is an occasional angel who didn't like its job, and lots of spirits who felt cut off from the Light and forced to keep meddling with people in order to exist.

If we accept the idea that everything is One, and that the nature of the One is God, then demons are God. You are God, your lousy neighbor who plays his stereo too loud at 3 AM is God, the Cop who arrests him at 3:30 AM is God, and the Jailer who books him at 4 AM is also God.

Given this, the nature of a demon must be the same as either a child who knows no better (this I have found in clinical work) or it must be the nature of someone who is confused and does dumb things because of misperceptions (something else I have found).

An example is a woman who had attended a satanic ritual while a child, hed been drugged (LSD), and had been told that infants would be slaughtered if she didn't give herself to Satan. So she did, and an entity came to reside in her that announced itself to be a demon that "ownee" her.

My response was to point out that she had given herself to save others, so she as actually a saint, so the demon had no claim. (The demon grudgingly agreed.) Then I questioned the demon and found that it was a frightened soul that had gotten lost in the lower astral, and was bothering people in an effort to not be destroyed. I suggested looking inside at its "inner light", a trick Edith Fiori has used, letting that light expand, accepting the light and Voila!  the demon discovered that it was made of light. So I sent it off into the light to join ancient friends from millennia past, and to proceed with development.

When we rescue a stuck soul, even one that views itself as a terrible demon, sinner, or whatever, all we're doing is reuniting one aspect of God with the other aspects of God. The so-called "demonic" quality is something that we project by setting up a false dichotomization that excludes the poor soul (and also ourselves, although we rarely look at it that way) from being one with the One.

Of course this is kinda boring for some folks, because we seem to find it fun to criticize others, gossip about their bad nature, and to praise ourselves for being so "Good".  When we view everything as varying manifestations of God, then the ideas of absolute Good and Bad vanish and are replaced by some things that work, and some things that don't, and lots of souls trying to discern the difference and evolve. To me, this is much nicer and simpler, but you can't get people to run an Inquisition, or a TV evangelical donation marathon  with such middle-of-the-road thinking.

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Reply #26 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 1:31am
 
Greets,
(and a hello to Mairlyn, Alysia, Kathy )

This entire topic is a tricky subject, and for many reasons. I'll attempt a quick summary here, with no specific intention of attacking or criticising anyone or any viewpoint in particular, but mention of these will be relevant to my point, which I shall now attempt to communicate :

On one extreme, there are the fundamentalists who fear demons with a religious fervor, as if they were some organized heirachy of absolute religious darkness led by 'The Devil', and be regarded as entities that everyone should be terrified of.

On the other extreme, there are those who take the simplistic (and admittedly much easier to work with approach for most people) view that 'demons' are simply misguided human souls, much as a wayword child, nothing more.

Neither view appears to the entire truth. The problem with this subject, is the tremendous human fear that is associated with the subject and concept of 'demon'. In truth of course, such fear (false evidence appearing as real) and darkness, is only a false idea created in oneself, in the person who fears.

To first understand what these Dark Force Entities (DFEs) are, it would be useful to read Spirit Releasement Therapy (SRT) accounts on how to most helpfully deal with Dark Force Entities (DFEs) or the 'demonic' :
Spirit Releasement Therapy - A Technique Manual
Healing Lost Souls - Releasing Unwanted Spirits From Your Energy Body
Freeing the Captives - The Emerging Therapy of Treating Spirit Attachment


It would be really very nice and quite frankly desirable, if reality was exactly as described by Dave. And perhaps, it indeed is exactly like that.

But from the accounts by William Baldwin, Louise Ireland Frey, and also the writings of Hilarion, evidently there is something that goes a little beyond both viewpoints previously mentioned. That is to say, neither viewpoint is entirely correct.

First and foremost, Dave's view is totally and absolutely correct, in the regard that in dealing with 'demons', there needs to be no fear *whatsoever*, only love. This is true in dealing with all matters, including on this subject.

However, it is an errorneous idea to assume we're speaking about normal souls (much less human souls), when referring to Dark Force Entities.

What we're talking about, are actually illusionary 'shells of darkess', not quite actual beings or souls, for those would indeed be part of God.

The soul, or spark of God within, of the original being(s) that created the 'shell(s) of darkness' or 'demon', remains at the core of the 'demon'. But the darkness, is not the God within.

And why would any spark of God create such an illusion of darkness then? As William Baldwin explains in "Healing Lost Souls" pages 88 & 89, and pages 90 & 91), these beings (sparks of God), had been mislead to (mis)believe, that they were not God, that they did not have the Light within them. (One could say, a (far) more extreme form of dogmatic brainwashing akin to the lies of the Church).

Hence, the 'demon', much like the computer virus (which is merely a souless program), is merely a 'cloak' or 'shell' of darkness (ie. absence of Light), and *not* the actual being or soul who (misguidedly) created it, who is forever a part of God.

Thusly, there may be helpful precautions and differences in (appropriateness of) approach, that may come to light, if one understands the true nature of 'demons', rather than either a fearful false fundamentalist conception, or an oversimplistic one.

For those who choose to staunchly stand by the happier, simplier model of 'no such things as demons', that is perfectly fine, as is for those who choose the darker, 'demonic' fundamentalist religious model of 'demons' and fear (false evidence appearing as real).

What you choose to believe, or see, becomes your reality. And so you work with such, accordingly.

So is there any effective or helpful difference between Dave's model and what we're conveying here? Or is it nothing more than a play on words and terminology, as some might think?

The reason why we choose to speak on this, is that whilst it is far less damaging to imagine the happier, simplistic model as compared to the fearful, 'demonic', fundamentalist model, there is still some danger there, if the model turns out to be incomplete. For potentially, should a future, more extensive experience come that appears to contradict some aspects of the happier, simplistic model, there might be unnecessary confusion and wasted opportunity.

But far more importantly (to correct), all of us here (including Dave, Mairlyn, Alysia, and yourself, dear reader) would like to do what we can, to dispell the false ideas of the fearful, fundamentalist 'demonic' model based on fear, because that is the most unhelpful model to work with, for all involved (including for the spark of God behind the 'cloak of darkness' or DFE).


So what exactly is a Dark Force Entity (DFE) or 'demon', and how do we most lovingly, most helpfully, most appropriately, deal with these?

There is of course, no one single answer. If you already have an existing approach, which works well for you (as a therapist such as Dave, Gordon Phinn, or a retriever such as Mairlyn, Alysia, etc), and is clearly helpful to the beings involved, then it is exactly what works best for you, what is most helpful to the beings that receive help, then by all means, please continue.

But if you're still quite unsure as to how best to approach all of this, as to what this is all about, then a suggestion, would be to have a once-over read on the Spirit Releasement Therapy (SRT) material on the subject :
Spirit Releasement Therapy - A Technique Manual
Healing Lost Souls - Releasing Unwanted Spirits From Your Energy Body
Freeing the Captives - The Emerging Therapy of Treating Spirit Attachment

As well as a relevant page from "Other Kingdoms" by Hilarion, on calling the name of Christ :
http://infinity.hispeed.com/Heart.Of.God/Hilarion/DarkBrothers/index.htm


The final answer therefore, lies in recognizing these entities for what they really are, recognizing both

1) the outer 'shell of darkness' that should not be mistaken or regarded or treated as a human soul, but instead require the direct assistance of specialized helpers and angels for the 'turning' or transforming;

2) the inner essence of the spark of Light, the GodSelf that is the eternal, true identity of the Being, and of all Beings.
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Reply #27 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 8:26am
 
thanks Kyo, it's facinating study for sure. I was typing something up last night on this thread and frustrated, I simply abandoned it and I am somehow not surprised to find your post and links to the subject as I know about the others who work with you in this area and that they use your hands to bring us information.

what struck me the most with the Hilarion reading, is the dark form with no head. this implies it was a projection of fear (false evidence appearing real) I was heartened to see the person not merely react, but sit with another and ask what to do. beaming love at a headless image did not seem appropriate. a command worked much better to disappate it, a command invested with the power of one who was so powerful that his mere word would still work to safeguard the devine spark within. I have seen myself how one may generate a projection, send a thought or an image. the man observed a feeling of anger and was aware enough that it did not belong to him, so that was indeed good for him that he did what he had to do without unnecessary anger. Fear. false evidence appearing real. indeed, no head, implies no thinking which somehow reminds me of cartoons.

which does remind me of my method...and Bruce's famous (to me) wrapping up of words to say "see it not there."  see the illness not there, see the distortion not there, see the fear not there, or see "evidence" as false.
In retrievals I've "seen it not there." and in human relationships of physicality I've done this, and for the life of me I can't explain it. I see only what I want to see, I always look for the spark of devinity and I can't even spell it! Cheesy this makes it difficult to see faults or distortions in others, for I think I must first see that fault in myself before I can see that fault in another, if it's not in me, or has been transmuted at some time, I suppose I cannot see the error in another.
not being able to explain it, I can say only as a retriever or just as a person passing through here on any level, I am feeling like I am told to hold a vision for all peoples and especially during retrievals, a vision of the innate perfection of the spark of divinity (is this the word for candy? hee.) this I can only keep my eyes on, but it's more like a feeling built in, than a vision, also does appear to be a choice, yet the only choice.
also somewhere in that mish mash of reflections of my life is the thought of a dualistic world, and dueling as well, dueling used to be quite a sport and never regarded as a past time not worthy of a gentleman.
dualistic, as in opposite energy patterns which seek the balance, the place we call justice for all. I don't work in the court system where justice is sought, but somewhere in an astral realm where I see and create only what I want to see and create, and what is a sticky globby substance of belief system? I can see as not really there (for me) but only if I have crashed out of that same belief system at some juncture.

cheers, and thanks for saving me time and again, I really should follow more of those links you provide. they are so enlightening to set my mind at ease. love, alysia
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Reply #28 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 8:59am
 
This reminds me of the movie Jacob's ladder.  In it, a vietnam soldier has just been speared, and as he lays dying, he lives a life, as if he has come home.  But he sees demons everywhere.

A wise chiropractor let's him know, it is all his perspective.  They can be seen as demons, hounding him, or angels trying to set him free.  He doesn't quite grasp this, till at the end, he son who died tragically around age 8 right in front of his house on a bike (something he never forgave himself for), comes to his front porch.  He says "dad, its time to go," and with a wonderous look on his face, they walk up a staircase together into a blinding white light  Still brings a tear to the eye.  At that point, in a vietnam MASH unit, his body dies.

In some ways, the demons/evil take on their own reality.  And his son was angelic/a helper.  But it is all his perspective.  I wonder if there are conscious beings stuck in focus 27, if they don't sometimes mis-see the helpers as demons to themselves.


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Reply #29 - Oct 6th, 2005 at 9:01am
 
Dave a mbs:

I like your input. I think demon is a bad word, becasue we're talking about lost spirits that need love too.  The girl who was a part of a satanic church, is such a good example. The goodness of her heart won out in the end.

My feeling is that the memories we use to build our character, aren't located in our biological brain. They are located in our higher selves. I don't imagine that a wandering spirit would have the means to reach into that part of ourselves, and take control.
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