Personally for myself, I have no interest in entering into some million dollar contest to prove anything. It would be great for the unbelieving world to have 'proof'.....however, would it really be accepted as viable evidence as proof of such afterlife claims? I am sure that any proofs would be struck down as fast as they could prove proof.....that is just the way it is. People want to 'know'....yet they are firm believers that it remains a hoax. It has been this way for eons. You get labelled as a magician...trickster etc, fraud.
For a long time people around me thought that I was evil because of what I could do.....so how about that for a label? Got struck down anyway! "OMG! She did these things! She is evil!! Stay away from her!!"   ...whatever!
The bottom line is that money means nothing to me. I believe what I do and that is all that matters to me. I have proved what I believe over and over to myself and that is all that matters.
Just the same for me as for anyone else, I (we) could enter this contest and then have these people do their darndest to make a spectical out of me (us) and then walk away with excuses denouncing what we have just done. It isn't worth it.
However, this is not what I intended to say here.

You are looking for proof. Proof that OBE's are real...proof, proof, proof.
Consider these things:  for the person who has never been in love......does love exist? Do you have a soul mate? Does love conquer all?
The person who has never experienced this doesn't know....but 'believes' it is out there. One day he/she will find it too. 'Belief'
For the millions of Christians around the world...past, present and future......does Jesus/God exist? Are the writings of the Bible true? Did Jesus/God really do all the things that are written?
To those people, all these things are true...they have never seen God/Jesus but they 'believe'.
To 'believe' in another person.....put your trust in them......you don't know for sure that this person will let you down....but you 'believe' that he/she won't.
Here on this forum, you hear all the things that people are talking about. They 'believe' what they do....thru personal experience and thru their  knowledge gained.

You will 'believe' too...once you gain more experience and 'see' for yourself. No one can prove it to you.....you have to do it for yourself. It's all a very personal experience and can only be done when you are ready to open up, listen, learn and experience.
This is so true for Christians.....no one proved to them anything.....they had to do it for themselves.
They never saw Jesus walk on water......ask them if they believe it actually happened! Ask them if they feel different after becoming a Christian. They will tell you 'yes'.....and it's all because of what they believe in. Ask them if they have had a miracle in their life....and they will say yes.

So before you knock down the belief systems of others, think about what 'belief' really means.....and think about all the things that you yourself believe in even tho you haven't actually experienced it yet yourself....simple things even, like 'falling in love' maybe....will the sun rise tomorrow? We don't know for 'sure' that the sun will rise tomorrow......hey, anything can happen these days....but we believe it will.
We all believe that one day we will die....but, in the future, that will not be the case....we believe that medical  technology will change that. We might not be around to see that time come, but believe it will happen.

What we cannot understand, or things that seem out of the ordinary ways of conditioning always seem 'unbelieveable'...needing proof. Winning the huge lottery.....Pamela Anderson knocking on your door for !!!!!!!!!!!!.......

A strong belief system is built on experience, knowledge, trust and ongoing learning. You will gain nothing if someone has to keep proving everything to you.

And finally, just because you haven't experienced something for yourself (yet), doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or is not 'real' or that it isn't going to happen!

For those who believe, no explanation is necessary.
For those who do not, no explanation is enough.

Yes, Mystic, it is good to see you posting again.  Very sweet and positive encouragement for all of us.

love, blink

Hey spitfire,

You say people believe in God because a book was written 2000 years ago. What about the hundreds of books about people experiencing OBE's and contacts with the other side, surely if the Bible is proof, even poor as you put it then surely theres plenty of poor proof for OBE's??

I do think trust is based partly on past experiences but also on character, you definatly know when you can't and when you can but there are some inbetweens but trust does have to be built i think anyway.

Unfortunatly many people do fake abilities which is disheartening. I would love to go to a medium just for the experience and to see if my Grandad can come through...(if we really can communicate with the Afterlife and if there is even such a world!) But with the expensive prices I don't want to just go and get some generic reading which could apply to anyone, i don't mind paying but with so many fakes its hard to know who to believe...

You can get proof from us and if you do some research you will find loads of experiements which have been succesful as well. What were trying to say that well for me anyway i can read everything, i can have so much proof chucked at me I have it coming out of my ears! So much I have got to believe but the Afterlife is mysterious, its not accepted, its not proven fully yet so how do i really really know....? This is what we are trying to say your personal experiences and only your experiences will give you that 100% proof, otherwise you can only have 99%, but if your happy with that then thats ok, for me i want to know for myself because anyone can write anything coming back to people being fake!

Lots of OBE's have been proven but still why isn't the world peaceful? Some people don't want to accept, can't, it disagrees with them/their faiths and loads more reasons. But i must say as well as loads of experiments which have gone perfectly loads have also been inclusive... what you have to think about is exploring the afterlife is like a new language if you like, you can be taught it, you can learn it yourself, you can practise it but it takes time, you can't just suddenly go there and be able to do everything! You might get your gramma wrong etc, make up sentances wrong which is just like exploring, you might percieve wrong, might end up in the wrong places you want to go so you have to be paitent, unfortunatly not one of my qualities! I think it will happen everntually but thats still a long time off as yet...

Ok so back to you wanting proof, what would be proof for you. Would you writing a number down and placing in your room and then someone who lives halfway across the world astral travel and tell you the number? But then would you still have doubts or would you then truly believe??

I don't get either how to proove "number 4"  or maybe that relates back to my last paragraph, maybe you need to describe that a bit furthur what exactly you are looking for and what would be proof to you and everyone else...

For me I am where you are except I'm starting to experience, I'm building my own proof. I'm not sure how much you read on these forums but my lastest OBE i tried to meet up with Vicky which we have been trying for some time. The first place i travelled to when i set my itentions too go to Vicky was a hospital, i hadn't a clue she worked in a hospital. I then asked where she was and was told ward 24 the threatre centre. Now she works in M-23 (M being like ward for over here) but she also goes to M-24 for breaks etc so maybe she was having break or maybe this is conincidal that i found her in a hospital and pretty much was told where she works in the hospital....how would i have know this? Theres also a slight connection with theatre that i was told an the auditorium she works next too but for me even little its proof and its part of my building blocks of proof that i am continually adding too.

Ok this isn't afterlife stuff either, i hope to get verification for that sometime as well but its a start and for me an impressive one! But then is that proof for you? if not see what we are saying that is exactly the problem of proving it to someone who hasn't or wont experience it.

I don't mind working with you, i guess its all for good but as a beginner and with abilities low you can't expect miricles over night just like you qouted, it will take time and i haven't a clue who you are!

But seriously if you are at all interested in proof, verification and just knowing please try instead of going round in circles on this forum. I don't mind and I'm sure everyone here doesn't mind helping, hell we might come up with something between us all which can change the future for the better! But unless you try as well its one way and ain't going to happen. I suggest you try some methods, see what you get and if you do and can finally know what were all about here then maybe you  will have a better understanding as well from experiencing both sides and might even be the person to show the world! It might give you a moment of magic of how to proof this to the world if you can find a way when your out there!

Ryan

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True, i gave 2% to me believing purely based on numbers of people who claim to have OBE'S. But theres probley more people claiming to have been sexually abused by aliens, then there are having OBE'S, and i dont believe them very much at all

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Even character, is built upon by experience, unless you make a premature judgement, based upon a first look. But then again, you can make some assumptions, such as someone who's 20 stone over weight, wont be running an olympic marathon.

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Id be more then happy with 99% proof, anything over 51%, is making it more and more likely, which gives me a good jolly.

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It's true, you can drone on to people about things and they wont really listen, But the most hardenend skeptic would have to admit theres somthign to this is really good evidence is brought forward, Ive seen alot of hardened christians, totally give up there religon based upon events which have affected them in there lifetime. Such as losing a child, or relative etc.

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If that happened, i would really wet myself, it would make my 2% belief into a 90% belief, if you had a number range of 1-100 so guessing could be ruled out.

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What i am trying to prove here, is a scienetist, says "i have invented electricity", it's the finished product, and even someone who does'nt know how electricity works, knows what it can be used for. The affects of it, and were it can occur.
He could spend years explaining to me how he created electricity, but to make the mass understand the benefits only the end product is nessicary.

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Words are ok, but the bible said i would go to hell for stealing, but i dont believe that, the proof does'nt directly show me what happened, if i stole somthing, and i was hit by lightning everytime i stole somthing, id think...ok theres a message here.

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The more people seem to experience OBE'S, the more they say "You dont need proof, You would'nt want the proof, i know it's there, and proving it to the rest of the world does'nt matter".

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I dont wanna start somthing, without knowing that it will be worth it, it seems everyone seems prone to other things aswell as OBE'S, dreams/vivid dreams...strange feelings etc. Yet ive never in my entire life had any "strange" experiences which i could attribute to somthing out of this world. But if someone did the Number test as you said, it would certainly make me take a big intrest in exploring these claims myself.

Thanks Blue Eyes 
What you said is true about taking money from people for helping them with an ability that you have.....you have your gifts taken away. It's not something that you are given for profit. I would never take something from someone if I could help them.
But then again, my life doesn't revolve on making a pile of money....I am more of 'love' person!!!  LOL
Love will do it!!!
Sometimes I can just look a person, a stranger....and just know what is happening in their life.....or, know exactly kind of person they are.....sometimes just by touching them can tell me a whole lot too....this doesn't happen all the time...but it happens enough.
One time I saw a woman...and I just knew that she was about to go thru something awful....it was coming. Do you know how ignorant that would be, to walk over and say.....if you give me 150 bucks, I will tell you about the tradgedy that is about to befall you?? OMG.
That is just another aspect of having a gift...which actually repells me.
Well....this doesn't really have anything to do with this thread....just was on my mind I guess.

I enjoy when we can talk, both exploring the same thing in probly the most opposite of circumstances but for the record i'm 18 as well and can't afford to go to workshops either!

I came across this site and started using the techniques here, well tried but felt silly making things up in my head, had a good chat with my grandad but i didnt feel real but found out about OBE's and searched more and found the many methods but just got the jist of the similarities and decided to do it my way!

I got results at first, the floaty feeling, but then it went and i kinda gave up for a bit! But i came back because if other people can do it, and if its half of whats been described to me i would be over the moon to do that! so ahead i kept trying and one day it happened and well its changed my life forever, now i just want to get a better experience, to learn more explore more and get proof!!!

Maybe in the future we can look into this experiment? I would like to give it a go but not yet, to many things on plate and would like more experience but could be good for both of us.

Ryan