Spitfire,

Love is an important subject at this forum. try to understand the importance of the acronym PUL.


So we are not being overhelmingly sweet. We are acting the way we beliefe is the better one.

But surely, to prove to the entire world, that the afterlife exists, (which could create alot of PUL/peace), would be a worthwhile persuit?. 1 million dollars could, set up research into this subject, or just be donated to a charity.

I dont think PUL, exists in the material world, To me it's still hard to classify exactly what it is. Maybe you can get close to it, but in the end the body says do whats best for me. Not whats best for others.

A simple test would prove beyond doubt, if OBE'S are real. Wether they connect to an afterlife im sure would be debated, until another test occured.

The simplier the test, the easier to prove to people something is there.

If i gave 1 person a word, and they could transmit that word to another during an OBE, under test conditions, then i think it would force people to believe there somthing in this.

Inventions must be shared to be used. Which is why people give others the oppturtunity to have there own OBE'S, so i would'nt see a problem with people showing others theres somthing to this.

i know i certainly would be very happy to see such a test Work.

You see where as i am open to things, i can see you feel so secure in your belifs, that anyform questioning about them is not permitted.

If i could contact the dead/visit different realms, id do everything humanly possible to spread it to others, why? because without sharing infomation we cannot evolve.

If you CANT prove it to others, then it's quite likely you are simply having a vivid dream, because if it's NOT a common experience, then it's most likely explainable as somthing based upon personal oppions/experience.

Prove what you can do, if not i would not use them in a disscussion involved with other people, because you cannot make any facts that everyone will have in common/understand because the experience is personal.

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Secure??  Hardly.  I question everything myself. 

Funny thing about "beliefs" though..Beliefs are just that.  Not facts.  Just what I think about facts I do have.  And..surprise!  They are subject to change.

I know you're trying really hard with this, Spitfire.

Consider this.  If I were to take a word and transmit it to someone else and then we all said, wow, that is amazing.  Then, what would happen next?

Someone would say, that's just ESP.  What does it really prove about the afterlife anyway?  Someone would say it just the same way that you say that a retrieval is just a dream.  The tests have already been done, Spitfire.   

It's time for each of us to test ourselves.

love, blink

I've only had a full on oobe a couple of times..never of my own doing. 

Lucid dreams, several times.  That is, I knew I was dreaming and was able to change and control it.  The first one was pretty boring..a work dream, lol.

The thing is, my "experiences" are my own.  I am not a teacher, but a student.  I cannot "teach you to do what I do", because I don't fully understand it.

I am seeking that understanding.

I had quite a period where I remembered no dreams.  Now, I usually remember upon waking, but if I don't focus and/or write them down, I will lose them.

I'm going to start a seperate thread to continue this topic..we've kind of hijacked Chumley's thread here.

Titmouse is angry.
Why, I wonder...
And note the miraculous improvement in his
writing. Did my remarks cause him to break out
the dictionary before he wrote again? If so, then I've done him a service.
What's your problem, son? If you don't allow for
the possibility of this stuff, why are you here
anyway?
Here's a place for you to hang out, which fits
your personality better:

http://www.rotten.com/

Believe me, there's nothing you have to say
that I, or anyone else here, hasn't heard
before. You have NOTHING to teach me or
anyone else here, boy. And deep down, you
know it... hence your hostility.
You're just looking for a fight. You are a zero
in RT life, so you think you can be something
special in cyberspace.
You want people to think you're cool. Typical teenage ambition... but you're
NOT. You have a long ways to go, and a great
deal to learn, first.
P.S. I don't consider you a friend either. I'd be
indifferent if you got cancer in both eyes, and had
to have them removed. Mocking somebody who
has been bereaved? That's low. At first I regretted
cursing at you, when this thread began. It WAS
unwarranted of me, Titmouse. I SHOULD have waited a while before answering you, till my blood stopped boiling (I had just received the news.)
If you were within a LIGHT YEAR of being a grown,
mature adult, you would have understood that. But no, you are a callow, inexperienced, spoiled little whelp.
*I even considered APOLOGIZING to you for it.* (Seriously!) But then, I noted some of your subsequent postings to OTHER people on this thread (such as Shirley.)
The true colors
you THEN proceeded to show makes me believe
I did the right thing after all.
Cheers,

B-man