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B-dawg
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Thinking to Beat Hell...
Sep 29th, 2005 at 2:41am
 
If our minds truly do "split" at death, and one
half ("spirit") loses all memories and emotions and
goes on to reincarnate... and the other half ("soul")
loses its ability to think coherently and ends up in
a "heaven or hell" scenario...
Then it strikes me as logical that if I "go with the soul"
then Hell is my destination.
I have some god-awful memories... which have over
the years attained the status of "mental monsters" due to my ignorant nurturing of them.
But I'm capable of dealing with them, by and large, and functioning basically normally due to the mediating influence of my rational mind. Yet, sometimes I get overwhelmed by the memories, and that's when I'll take a nap (or have a couple beers) or do something physical to get out of the rut.
But I WON'T be able to deal with them, if the "true me" is my SOUL and I can't use reason to combat those feelings/memories. That's what I think Hell will be like... the monsters having a field day with you, as you end up in a new "objective reality" forged by them! They say we create our own reality to some extent here on earth...
But as the first Hermetic principle states: "The Universe is Mental."
The mind (in this case, the SUBCONCIOUS one) will make a Hell reality for me, which to myself (deprived of reason) will seem even MORE real than C1 reality! And I won't even be able to defend myself against the "demons" which will assault me, as my thinking will be that of an animal!
BTW... I have an EXTREMELY creative imagination... and the imagination is a subconcious property...
I'll wager that my Hell will put the most morbid visions of Clive Barker to shame. Pinhead the Cenobite, anyone? He'll look like Mr. ROGERS compared to my tormentors...
I should have left the horror fiction alone when I was a kid.
But to escape Hell? A way perhaps?
I've thought about the "soul union" spoken of by
Novak... but if the ego is the interplay between spirit and soul, then I WILL divide. My ego has always been a bit... SHAKY, shall we say.
I'm theorizing here, that the more EMOTIONAL you are... the more you LET YOURSELF FEEL... the more likely you will be to "pass through the Light" and just maybe get a nasty surprise...
But the more COLDLY RATIONAL you are... the more you stuff down feelings and memories... the more likely you might be to identify with the "spirit", chuck your memories into the light, and back off into the "void" to await reincarnation...
Thus, escaping Hell. I'd have "beat the Devil" and would have a SECOND CHANCE, maybe. And my "soul"? It would just be a non-sentient shell in some horror-scape in the collective unconcious... no big deal. I'll be elsewhere.
(I would LOVE to be able to visit ancient Egypt (perhaps the most spiritually advanced nation which has ever existed) and speak with one of their great Temple Priest/super-shamans, to ask them about this. I wonder what he'd be able to tell me? The Egyptians knew ALL ABOUT division theory...)
But anyway.
If division theory is correct, then perhaps the "real you" goes with the component you identified with the most in C1?
Poets and dreamers who've built up a pile of bad experiences, beware! I'll bet Edgar Allan Poe is in a Hell fit to blow Stephen King's mind...
Think about it... he had a vivid, morbid imagination... and was a VERY emotional person. He had a very RUMINATIVE nature to boot... and a tragic, traumatic life.
I shudder to think about where he is now. Trapped forever beneath the undead-crawling ruins of the "House of Usher" maybe, or fleeing the "Red Death" incarnate perhaps? Is the "Raven" pecking out his eyeballs as he lies in a Pit (with an axe-bladed Pendulum gradually descending for the millionth time) as we speak? Or something too horrific to imagine?
Yikes.
Perhaps there's a way out short of "soul union" though... and it's as simple as what most MEN are already experts at...
Stuffing emotions. Repressing bad memories. Living the LOGICAL life.
DISCIPLINE, U.S. Marine style... the key to "salvation" for me?
Any thoughts?

Chumley
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Re: Thinking to Beat Hell...
Reply #1 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 6:19am
 
Man you are reaally a nervous guy…


Things are really simple.

Believe me, be calm, nothing crazy is going to happen to you.

When you die You will go to a place were people have very similar characteristics and you will remember just your last lifetime. As long as time passes memories about your past lifetimes will trickle up at you mind. The more balanced you were deeper your memories will be.  Of course there are two different situations:

-You are aware that you died and you are looking for help and you believe that it  is possible to find some help e have a good life in the afterlife. In this case Helper will guide you through your new life and then when you feel you are prepared to or you need to reincarnate you will ask then to to lead you through the process.

-You are not aware that you have died or you has a strong belief system, for instance that you should go to the Hell so you will see only things you want to and things who fit in such beliefs System, sso in this case helpers can’t do much they can only wait till you get ready to be helped and it dependes on each ones traits. No one can say if it will be a long or a sort period of time.


Of course, due to your energetic you will be attracted to a place were people is similar to you if you are a good guy there will be a very pleasant environment waiting for you but if you are a bad guy you will be hosted the way bad guys do prefer.

Nothing more complex than that.
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Re: Thinking to Beat Hell...
Reply #2 - Sep 29th, 2005 at 6:43am
 
Hi Dear ole Chum,

I think all these ideas are interesting and worth exploring and finding solutions to.

But don't forget, if you find yourself "there," wherever "there" is, you won't be alone with the constructs of your thoughts and imagination. 

It's okay if you prefer to feel separate now, but there is a part of you that knows you are not alone.  There will always be a true friend by your side, no matter how fragmented you appear to yourself now or in the future. 

Your true friend will not let you down.  You may see your friend as a guide, an angel, or just another Joe Blow who shows up on the street named Hell Boulevard, but help will be there.

love, blink
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Re: Thinking to Beat Hell...
Reply #3 - Sep 30th, 2005 at 1:29pm
 
Hi Chumley-
Kardec is right. According to all past life regression reports, we just go on to a place that continues where we were and what we do.

The "splitting" thing is simply that you no longer have a body. With the body we gain a number of abilities, such as the ability to hold one idea in the physical structure of memory while dealing with another idea actively. When the body fals off, so o these capabilities. Thus, instead of literal memories, what we have is a single track awareness that is the summary of our prior tendencies.

The "hell" states ocur only to those who feel that they have been so offensive and terrible that this is their only possible state of contination, so that they have retreated from participation in the cosmic Oneness, and wound up isolated by pride, rage, anger ad hatred. They more or less create a place to go, and then they go there.

Those who are more or less everyday types of "sinners" (we make mistakes and later regret them) are forgiven to the extent that we are willing to acknowledge our errors. Then we go to a place occupied by others like ourselves.

Those who are angry, rejecting and hostile at death (including a few murderers that I've recorded), or who have suicided, often wind up wandering along a lonely path that is described as cold, unpleasant, dim and gray. It is not painful, just lonely.

If it is any consolation, the consensus of opinion is that it is harder and more bothersome to be born than to die.

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